Designing and making products
phil jones
people) have had circuit-boards and other products made by commercial
manufacturers.
This is something I'd like to know more about, and I'm wondering if
there's a group of people here who'd like to take something from
conception / design to production. I have a couple of ideas, but I'm
not so focused on a particular thing at this point as I am in
accompanying a process and sharing the cost of the learning exercise
with a couple of similarly minded people.
Anyone else interested?
phil
Martin Klang
I have a couple of designs on the drawing board, and used a few different fab houses in the past.
Happy to share what I know.
I'm also interested in figuring out what we can do as a group to make it easier and cheaper for us to get boards done.
Some sort of order pooling, bulk discount or panelling should be possible to arrange.
Meanwhile, have a look at seeedstudio's [1] offers (HK) and search eBay for Spirit Electronics (UK), to see if you find anything that suits.
/m
[1] http://www.seeedstudio.com/depot/fusion-pcb-service-p-835.html
Martin Klang
I have a couple of designs on the drawing board, and used a few different fab houses in the past.
Happy to share what I know.
I'm also interested in figuring out what we can do as a group to make it easier and cheaper for us to get boards done.
Some sort of order pooling, bulk discount or panelling should be possible to arrange.
Meanwhile, have a look at seeedstudio's [1] offers (HK) and search eBay for Spirit Electronics (UK), to see if you find anything that suits.
/m
[1] http://www.seeedstudio.com/depot/fusion-pcb-service-p-835.html
On 21 Jan 2012, at 02:24, phil jones wrote:
Sci
involve electronics and would probably be greatly improved by learning
about the commercial manufacture services available. Most of my current
stuff has been casting & crafting related.
Sci
Nigel Worsley
Spirit stopped doing their cheap boards through ebay a while back, their standard service is now
way too expensive to be worth considering.
Most cheap PCB manufacrurers won't let you pannelise multiple designs, so pooling projects is
unlikely to be feasible. For small production run quantities these people look worth a try:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/250408720546?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2649
I haven't used them yet, so no idea what the quality is like.
For work stuff I have used www.pcbcart.com a fair bit, very nice quality and no extras charge for gold plated
finish, which can be handy if some of the boards aren't going to be soldered up for a few months (or years!).
Unless you are doing surface mount with screened solder paste and using all the boards immediately after opening
the sealed pack then avoid silver plated boards, they tarnish almost instantly and are a pig to hand solder. I hate
them!
Nigle
Mike Harrison
>> have a look at seeedstudio's [1] offers (HK) and search eBay for Spirit Electronics (UK
>
>Spirit stopped doing their cheap boards through ebay a while back, their standard service is now
>way too expensive to be worth considering.
Spirit's cheap service was taken over by a company run by their MD's daughter :
http://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/stickleback_manufacturing/m.html?_nkw=&_armrs=1&_from=&_ipg=&_trksid=p3686
Billy
Try asking Ken Boak.
He's been getting quotes from different manufacturers for the Nanodes,
so his knowledge is the most current i can think of...
Tim Burrell-Saward
I'm a three-dimensional designer (BSc Product Design) and am more than
happy to help out with the physical design end of things (3D
modelling, prototyping, materials, manufacture, etc).
This is me: www.timburrellsaward.com
Tim
Roowilliams
of BA Product Design at Central Saint Martins, but when I have some
free time.
Tim - like the look of the projects on your site, would be good to
meet at some point!
I am blogging updates on my current project now, there's quite an
ambiguous description of it scattered between a few posts, but there
will be a proper write up when the project has materialised.
http://www.roowilliams.com
- Andrew
On Jan 21, 1:48 pm, Tim Burrell-Saward <t...@timburrellsaward.com>
wrote:
Tim Burrell-Saward
Thanks a lot. Am always up for a pint. Keep meaning to show my face at
more social nights, but damn work always gets in the way :(
phil jones
Is there enough interest here for a meetup at the space one evening /
weekend to talk further?
phil
On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 9:59 AM, Tim Burrell-Saward
matthew venn
occasions.
Jakob
I am hanging around in hack-space from time to time. I am trained as a
designer (industrial design /design thinking), I am currently setting
up small scale production on some things I designed/invented www.jakobuhlin.com
is a place I show some things I worked on :)
I have experience from a broad field of design and will be happy to
discuss collaborations, freelance contract or just give some feedback
if anyone wants to take things further.
Jakob
Yuan
product if you bump into me at some point, I'm not based in London so
it is often difficult for me to come to the space for a meeting, but
if I'm in the area t the time your meeting is on, I'd be glad to drop
by. I'd definitely also like to hear other people's experiences on
manufacturing as well, we're doing what we've learned through trial
and error, and it would be nice to see if other people have found the
same experiences, and if there are other lessons to be learned.
Yuan
Charles Yarnold
phil jones
If you're referring to the Future Manufacturing meetup in London which
I'm also organising, I see the two as slightly different although
there are obvious overlaps in interest and attendees. FM is a more
general networking event to bring designers and artists together with
people running 3D printers, laser cutters, cnc-machines and maybe even
real engineering companies in London.
I'd love to bring some of those people to the hackspace too at some
point if such a thing would be welcome. (Of course, some are already
members here.)
With this thread I was looking to explore something slightly
different. Starting a group inside the hackspace to share experience
and experiments with having electronic designs fabricated by third
parties. And learning more about product design in general.
phil
Steve M0BPQ
New to the list this evening so hope no-one minds me leaping in.
I have used http://www.farcircuits.net/ quite a lot to produce custom
PCBs. Cheap and cheerful, providing you don't anything multi-layered
or thru hole plated.
Cheers
Steve
Charles Yarnold
phil jones
Cool. Added to the Doodle.
phil
rob farr
Tim Burrell-Saward
I worked in lighting design for five years so am happy to help if I
can.
Everyone - How do dates for these kinds of things usually get
suggested? I might be free tomorrow night and it would be great to
meet some people if anyone's planning to go to the social night?
Tim
On Jan 30, 11:56 am, rob farr <rob.far...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
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> I'm been making my own lighting designs over the last few months and would
> be really interested in meeting up to learn more about product design, can
> you let me know when you'll be meeting up please?
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> Cheers,
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> Rob
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> On Wed, Jan 25, 2012 at 12:14 PM, phil jones <inters...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Thanks Charles.
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> > Cool. Added to the Doodle.
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> > phil
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> > > Ah great, I couldn't find much info on the meetup (mostly down to meetup
> > > confusing me in general) so wasn't sure if this meant this was the event
> > you
> > > had talked about, thanks for clearing that up!
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> > > I would love to see this meeting happen, so I have added a doodle
> > > best to hold a meeting next week.
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> > > Sol
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> > >> Charles.
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> > >> If you're referring to the Future Manufacturing meetup in London which
> > >> I'm also organising, I see the two as slightly different although
> > >> there are obvious overlaps in interest and attendees. FM is a more
> > >> general networking event to bring designers and artists together with
> > >> people running 3D printers, laser cutters, cnc-machines and maybe even
> > >> real engineering companies in London.
>
> > >> I'd love to bring some of those people to the hackspace too at some
> > >> point if such a thing would be welcome. (Of course, some are already
> > >> members here.)
>
> > >> With this thread I was looking to explore something slightly
> > >> different. Starting a group inside the hackspace to share experience
> > >> and experiments with having electronic designs fabricated by third
> > >> parties. And learning more about product design in general.
>
> > >> phil
>
phil jones
http://www.doodle.com/g3zeb7tc46n33kgk
I suggest Wednesday evening. (I can't do tomorrow). Billy and
Selexious seem up for that too.
What does everyone else reckon?
phil
ps : I intended to do music hackspace on Thursday. But if there's
nothing specific planned there I could do this then too.
Charles Yarnold
How about Wednesday at 7? Won't clash with the mind hackers this week.
Sol
Matt Peperell
Ken Boak
She's also drumming for business - judging from her tweets
If you want 500 boards or more done - I have a god friend in China that does them for me.
Ken
phil jones
7pm Wednesday works for me. Let's do it.
See you all then.
phil
Ken Boak
What's on Wednesday - I am at monkigras
Ken
phil jones
Wednesday is going to be a get together for hackspacers interested in
getting things made. Knowledge sharing, potential collaboration
discussions etc.
phil
Tim Burrell-Saward
Tim
On Jan 30, 4:59 pm, Ken Boak <ken.b...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Spirit abandoned their cheap service - but the MD's daughter
> (@Stickleback_UK on Twit) offers a good low cost pcb service for 2 layers
> PTH provided that you don't want less than an 0.6mm hole size and an 0.2mm
> wide track or feature.
>
> She's also drumming for business - judging from her tweets
>
> If you want 500 boards or more done - I have a god friend in China that
> does them for me.
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> Ken
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> > On Sat, 21 Jan 2012 17:27:31 -0000, you wrote:
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> > >> have a look at seeedstudio's [1] offers (HK) and search eBay for Spirit
> > Electronics (UK
>
> > >Spirit stopped doing their cheap boards through ebay a while back, their
> > standard service is now
> > >way too expensive to be worth considering.
>
> > Spirit's cheap service was taken over by a company run by their MD's
> > daughter :
>
Roowilliams
for a couple of hours. It would be helpful if maybe I could try
explaining my project to you guys as it is a self-initiated project I
have designed and built over the past 7 months. In a nutshell it is a
product designed for the home-working creative entrepreneur; a
productivity companion that uses flow principles and gamification
techniques to develop the users motivation and concentration.
On Jan 30, 4:50 pm, Charles Yarnold <charlesyarn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> How about Wednesday at 7? Won't clash with the mind hackers this week.
>
> Sol
Charles Yarnold
phil jones
phil
Matt Peperell
Roowilliams
On Feb 1, 2:33 pm, phil jones <inters...@gmail.com> wrote:
> OK. Who's definitely going to be at the space tonight (7pm)?
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> > Sadly i'm down for the count with a bug so sadly won't be able to make it to
> > the space tonight :(
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Roowilliams
rob farr
Tim Burrell-Saward
Tim
Martin Klang
me.
phil jones
furniture-making friend around. Who else is here?
phil
Martin Klang
we're meeting upstairs in unit 30!
/m
Billy
Sorry i couldn't make it in early enough to catch this.
How did it go?
phil jones
shame you couldn't make it. Yes, it was pretty good, I thought. A
wider range of interests and experience than I expected, including
some professional industrial product designers which was good.
Everyone,
I made a wiki page :
http://wiki.london.hackspace.org.uk/view/Product_Design_And_Manufacturing
so we can start sharing information and contacts.
What about next meeting on Wed 15th Feb?
phil
phil jones
of SeeedStudios : http://www.seeedstudio.com/wish/?p=1054
phil
Roowilliams
fortnight.
For those who knew - my presentation went well. I managed to get it
down to 14:30 (turned out we had 15 minutes!) and told the whole story
and showed the working prototype. It didn't work at first... something
along the lines of 'and then it will raise it's head like *this*'
*nothing... tumbleweed as I fumbled trying to get it working, a wire
had popped out of the pins. Eventually got it there and at the end of
the presentation, although they aren't allowed to give anything away
as I was being shown out the tutor said 'I need to talk to you, not
now, but soon - I REALLY like this' which was an amazing
boost. :D :D :D
Thanks again for putting up with me and thanks for the feedbaack,
Phil: I made a point of covering the internalisation of extrinsic
motivation which sealed the gaping hole in the story so thank you.
Look forward to meeting next week
- Roo
On Feb 2, 1:18 pm, phil jones <inters...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Billy,
>
> shame you couldn't make it. Yes, it was pretty good, I thought. A
> wider range of interests and experience than I expected, including
> some professional industrial product designers which was good.
>
> Everyone,
>
Roowilliams
phil jones
great! Glad it went well. Look forward to seeing cute security dogs on
people's desktops soon. :-)
Though they need to be made to understand that pacing around the room
talking to myself IS work, damnit!
phil