RFID house entry system

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Yiannis Costopoulos

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Aug 1, 2011, 7:57:46 AM8/1/11
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Hi guys,

 

I am thinking of creating an RFID/Oyster card entry system for my flat. I know that it might seem a bit stupid, but I really like the idea of it and on top of that I have guests visiting from abroad and giving them an Oyster card for Tube and home acces is good. If a card gets lost/stolen I delete it from the system and the home is safe. On the other hand a key can always get copied.

 

Are there any electric locks that have dual use (RFID and physical key) in case there is a power cut or any other issue with the RFID system?

 

Many thanks,

Yiannis

Kieran Kunhya

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Aug 1, 2011, 8:00:54 AM8/1/11
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> On the other hand a key can always get copied.

An oyster card can be copied as well.

Alec Wright

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Aug 1, 2011, 7:57:10 AM8/1/11
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On Mon, 2011-08-01 at 12:57 +0100, Yiannis Costopoulos wrote:
> Hi guys,
>
>
>
> I am thinking of creating an RFID/Oyster card entry system for my
> flat. I know that it might seem a bit stupid, but I really like the
> idea of it and on top of that I have guests visiting from abroad and
> giving them an Oyster card for Tube and home acces is good. If a card
> gets lost/stolen I delete it from the system and the home is safe. On
> the other hand a key can always get copied.
>
So can an RFID card. I wouldnt recommend it. We use the system at the
hackspace but then its more for convenience than anything else. The
space is rarely empty so security's not much of an issue.
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Jonty Wareing

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Aug 1, 2011, 8:04:24 AM8/1/11
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On Mon, Aug 01, 2011 at 12:57:46PM +0100, Yiannis Costopoulos wrote:
> Are there any electric locks that have dual use (RFID and physical key) in
> case there is a power cut or any other issue with the RFID system?

Pretty much all of them have this function. The magnetic ones fail open
instead, but then you wouldn't use those for your front door.

Take a look at the hackspace front door lock, that has a key for the
fail-case.

--jonty

Dirk-Willem van Gulik

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Aug 1, 2011, 8:09:10 AM8/1/11
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On 1 Aug 2011, at 12:57, Yiannis Costopoulos wrote:

> Are there any electric locks that have dual use (RFID and physical key) in case there is a power cut or any other issue with the RFID system?

Most do. As you typically have a key on the side of the door - operating the latch. And it is receptacle (or "strike" (plate)) for the latch that most electric door systems will 'open'. This is as it is in a fixed position (i.e. not on the door) - so wiring it up is less challenging. And it also lets a wide range of electric door openers work with a wide range of locks. It makes it easy to 'deinstall' or leave in place when the control is no longer needed. As then it is suddenly a normal strike-plate.

At the high/expensive end this changes a bit - as mechanically these contraptions are not ideal.

"Electric Strike" (plate) should yield you wikipedia/google info. A fairly fancy one looks like

http://www.exteradirect.co.uk/product/unbranded/electric-lock-release-rim-latch/133/
http://www.alarmworld.co.uk/access-controls/locking/electric-strike-lock-fail-safe/prod_248.html
http://www.secure2000.co.uk/adams-rite-electric-strikes.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X7U6rrTPe-U

do read up on "fail-safe" modes. As there are two types. You normally control them by pulsing 12volt (with a relay for example) for 5 seconds. So you can drive them easily from an Arduino (just search for Arduino and relay - virtually any will do).

Dw.


Anish

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Aug 1, 2011, 10:31:04 AM8/1/11
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>An oyster card can be copied as well.
That is due to design constrains.

Disclaimer :- author is a royal holloway alumni (isg) for both Msc and PhD
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> On the other hand a key can always get copied.

An oyster card can be copied as well.

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Wise Cricket

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Aug 1, 2011, 8:58:12 PM8/1/11
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Jigsaw Renaissance are looking into integrating Nadine and Hackerspaces Passport with our door locks

If you are able to commit time to help us designing or building, please post to:Inscape Access Control System
  • If you are interested in the project, please go to the group and sign up.
  • There will be opportunities to work on embedded firmware, electronics, mechanics, encryption, and the membership software application.
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About the project:
This project will provide an electronic door access for our new building. The project will involve providing several badge readers (probably RFID), and door lock controllers as well as a car park induction loop.

Finally there is a need for software that manages the keys and access privileges. This software must be easy to use as the building landlord will use it.

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