The great workshop clearing (21st & 22nd Jan)

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Sam Cook

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Jan 11, 2012, 2:37:59 PM1/11/12
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Hey all, 

As a continuation of the earlier thread on new hand tools[1] I'd like to propose spending some/all of the weekend of the 21st/22nd January tidying the workshop and sorting the tools we have. The broken/dangerous tools can be thrown (or given away if someone wants them) the power tools can be checked over, the wood pile and other raw material heaps/piles/stacks tamed. 

Whilst this is happening the tools that we want to keep can be cleaned and catalogued. It will also be a chance to start labelling tool areas to aid getting things back where they came from. It will also be a chance to draw up a list of what we need. 

Any thoughts and will other people actually turn up to help? 

Ideally to do this we will probably have to close/restrict use of the workshop whilst we're in there; is this going to be a problem? do we want to try a different solution?

Cheers

S

Robert Leverington

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Jan 11, 2012, 2:47:43 PM1/11/12
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I will be there. I don't think there is necessarily a problem with
people using the workshop at the same time, providing we work in a
reasonably systematic way and they are aware of the potential for
disruption.

Robert

On 2012-01-11, Sam Cook wrote:
> Hey all,
>
> As a continuation of the earlier thread on new hand

> tools<https://groups.google.com/group/london-hack-space/browse_thread/thread/d652b16863a63ad8/ae1f62ba3e4d30f3?hl=en&lnk=gst&q=hand+tools#ae1f62ba3e4d30f3>[1]

Tim Storey

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Jan 11, 2012, 3:03:49 PM1/11/12
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if you can make it the weekend after this i.e. 28/29 then I can (and
will) help

\t

On 11/01/2012 19:37, Sam Cook wrote:
> Hey all,
>
> As a continuation of the earlier thread on new hand tools

> <https://groups.google.com/group/london-hack-space/browse_thread/thread/d652b16863a63ad8/ae1f62ba3e4d30f3?hl=en&lnk=gst&q=hand+tools#ae1f62ba3e4d30f3>[1] I'd

> <https://groups.google.com/group/london-hack-space/browse_thread/thread/d652b16863a63ad8/ae1f62ba3e4d30f3?hl=en&lnk=gst&q=hand+tools#ae1f62ba3e4d30f3>

Charles Yarnold

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Jan 11, 2012, 3:30:32 PM1/11/12
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I would like to add that there are _loads_ of unnamed things on the floor near the members shelves, and that these should be correctly marked before the clear out as they are getting in the way.

Please remember to fill out all the details on do not hack stickers, many people are forgetting contact details and etc's for their removal.

Sam Cook

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Jan 11, 2012, 3:34:24 PM1/11/12
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I would say 2 weeks is enough time for that stuff to get cleared with anything left getting disposed of at our discretion. 

S

Sam Kelly

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Jan 11, 2012, 4:29:39 PM1/11/12
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I'm still keen but can't make the 21st/22nd. Consider this a +1 for
the weekend after.

--
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That's it.  We're not messing around anymore, we're buying a bigger
dictionary.  -  Tibor Fischer, The Thought Gang.

Billy

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Jan 11, 2012, 5:43:51 PM1/11/12
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One idea that was discussed a while ago, was to remove the toilet and
wall in the blocked workshop toilet. It's basically unusable, as there
is not enough flow to stop the too shallow waste pipe getting blocked.

I measured up the room a while back, and there is more than enough
room for the laser cutter, and the rack of acrylic that me and Glen
bought. If we put those in there, we'd have a lot more room to
maneuver, and more space to sort the machine tools and the working
area more effectively.

We'll need to order the end-caps for the waste pipe and for the water
pipes, but if they're ordered in, i'm happy to fit them.

Any thoughts?




On Jan 11, 9:29 pm, Sam Kelly <s...@eithin.co.uk> wrote:
> I'm still keen but can't make the 21st/22nd. Consider this a +1 for
> the weekend after.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 8:34 PM, Sam Cook <sam.lindenrat...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > I would say 2 weeks is enough time for that stuff to get cleared with
> > anything left getting disposed of at our discretion.
>
> > S
>
> > On 11 January 2012 20:30, Charles Yarnold <charlesyarn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> I would like to add that there are _loads_ of unnamed things on the floor
> >> near the members shelves, and that these should be correctly marked before
> >> the clear out as they are getting in the way.
>
> >> Please remember to fill out all the details on do not hack stickers, many
> >> people are forgetting contact details and etc's for their removal.
>
> >> On 11 January 2012 20:03, Tim Storey <tim.sto...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>> if you can make it the weekend after this i.e. 28/29 then I can (and
> >>> will) help
>
> >>> \t
>
> >>> On 11/01/2012 19:37, Sam Cook wrote:
> >>> > Hey all,
>
> >>> > As a continuation of the earlier thread on new hand tools
>
> >>> > <https://groups.google.com/group/london-hack-space/browse_thread/threa...>[1]
> >>> > I'd
> >>> > like to propose spending some/all of the weekend of the 21st/22nd
> >>> > January tidying the workshop and sorting the tools we have. The
> >>> > broken/dangerous tools can be thrown (or given away if someone wants
> >>> > them) the power tools can be checked over, the wood pile and other raw
> >>> > material heaps/piles/stacks tamed.
>
> >>> > Whilst this is happening the tools that we want to keep can be cleaned
> >>> > and catalogued. It will also be a chance to start labelling tool areas
> >>> > to aid getting things back where they came from. It will also be a
> >>> > chance to draw up a list of what we need.
>
> >>> > Any thoughts and will other people actually turn up to help?
>
> >>> > Ideally to do this we will probably have to close/restrict use of the
> >>> > workshop whilst we're in there; is this going to be a problem? do we
> >>> > want to try a different solution?
>
> >>> > Cheers
>
> >>> > S
>
> >>> > [1]
> >>> >https://groups.google.com/group/london-hack-space/browse_thread/threa...
>
> >>> > <https://groups.google.com/group/london-hack-space/browse_thread/threa...>
>
> --
> Sam Kelly,http://www.eithin.co.uk/

Charles Yarnold

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Jan 11, 2012, 6:06:58 PM1/11/12
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I would rather the lasercutter wan't moved in there as its nice to have room to move around it while maintaining it.

An alternative idea talked about was to turn it into clean storage, this would be for communal gear, such as fabric tools, music hackspace gear, and all the stuff that people have started storing in the communal areas of the space.

Sol

Sam Cook

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Jan 11, 2012, 6:55:25 PM1/11/12
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remember what comes down must go back up as well. Also first the crap that is in there must also be removed. Also, I'm not sure that this will be the best time to do it. I'd rather get the other jobs done first then tackle this than do this and not have enough time for the rest. 

S

Martin Klang

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Jan 11, 2012, 7:31:34 PM1/11/12
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and... where would you put the toilet?
building some storage / table solution over and around it might be better.

/m

Adrian Godwin

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Jan 12, 2012, 3:42:55 AM1/12/12
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Maybe we could reconsider the layout in the workshop.

We currently have the lathe, storage shelves and an unassigned area
that gets very messy with dumped stuff at one end, and the rest of the
tools, the laser cutter, and workbenches at the other.

This sites dust and swarf-making stuff at both ends, and encourages
poor storage in the middle, while the laser cutter is in one of the
areas worst for wood dust.

What if we had the laser cutter where the lathe is, moved all the
metalworking machinery into one dirty area, and arranged the open
working area with the tables to discourage the dumping of piles of kit
?

-adrian

Russ Garrett

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Jan 12, 2012, 4:13:05 AM1/12/12
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I agree with Charles that the toilet is too small to comfortable house
the laser cutter.

On 12 January 2012 08:42, Adrian Godwin <artg...@gmail.com> wrote:
> What if we had the laser cutter where the lathe is, moved all the
> metalworking machinery into one dirty area, and arranged the open
> working area with the tables to discourage the dumping of piles of kit

The problem with this is that we'd have to vent the laser fumes onto
the walkway, which wouldn't be very pleasant. I think the laser cutter
has to remain approximately where it is so it can vent out the back
wall.

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Russ Garrett
ru...@garrett.co.uk

Billy

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Jan 12, 2012, 4:41:55 AM1/12/12
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On Jan 12, 9:13 am, Russ Garrett <r...@garrett.co.uk> wrote:
> I agree with Charles that the toilet is too small to comfortable house
> the laser cutter.
>

The toilet as it currently stand is JUST big enough. True, it wouldn't
make maintenance easy.

So remove the breeze-block wall, remove the toilet and the sink, like
the bio-lab/darkroom. Cap off the pipes. Then there will be enough
room.

Don't take my word for it. Measure it, like i did.



> On 12 January 2012 08:42, Adrian Godwin <artgod...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > What if we had the laser cutter where the lathe is, moved all the
> > metalworking machinery into one dirty area, and arranged the open
> > working area with the tables to discourage the dumping of piles of kit
>
> The problem with this is that we'd have to vent the laser fumes onto
> the walkway, which wouldn't be very pleasant. I think the laser cutter
> has to remain approximately where it is so it can vent out the back
> wall.
>
> --
> Russ Garrett
> r...@garrett.co.uk

Tim Storey

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Jan 12, 2012, 5:03:02 AM1/12/12
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just to re-iterate can we do the clean up on the following weekend i.e
28/29 rather than the 21/22nd ?

\t

Russ Garrett

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Jan 12, 2012, 5:17:52 AM1/12/12
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On 12 January 2012 09:41, Billy <bi...@billycomputersmith.com> wrote:
> The toilet as it currently stand is JUST big enough. True, it wouldn't
> make maintenance easy.
>
> So remove the breeze-block wall, remove the toilet and the sink, like
> the bio-lab/darkroom. Cap off the pipes. Then there will be enough
> room.

Well, I'm not disagreeing with you - I'm sure it'll fit, but it's
still going to be cozy which will make maintenance difficult.

Bear in mind that we sometimes do laser cutter inductions with 10 or
more people; it's a popular machine. Ten people will not fit in that
room, which means we'll have to do it in smaller groups which will
annoy the lovely people who give up their time to do the inductions.

I'm also very conscious at the inertia we're building up by modifying
things which we'll have to put back when we move out. If we remove the
waste pipe from that room it may well be be difficult to replace
without knocking more walls down.

We're starting to feel that the current space is becoming a bit small
already. If we keep growing at the current rate we'll definitely want
to be moving within a year.

--
Russ Garrett
ru...@garrett.co.uk

tom

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Jan 12, 2012, 5:42:47 AM1/12/12
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also if its out of sight are people likely to do riskier things with
it?

(soon i will laser cut toast, mwuhahah!)
> r...@garrett.co.uk

Sam Cook

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Jan 12, 2012, 7:37:00 AM1/12/12
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we can, but I'd rather not move it. We have a good number of people who can do the 21st/22nd and I'd rather just get it done. Ultimately any weekend will have people that can't make it and with this sort of task we may be better of with a smaller group that can be easily organised than getting everyone involved and then not having it go anywhere because there are too many people. 

Sorry

S

Tim Storey

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Jan 12, 2012, 7:38:55 AM1/12/12
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no problem...

\t

On 12/01/2012 12:37, Sam Cook wrote:
> we can, but I'd rather not move it. We have a good number of people who
> can do the 21st/22nd and I'd rather just get it done. Ultimately any
> weekend will have people that can't make it and with this sort of task
> we may be better of with a smaller group that can be easily organised
> than getting everyone involved and then not having it go anywhere
> because there are too many people.
>
> Sorry
>
> S
>
> On 12 January 2012 10:03, Tim Storey <tim.s...@gmail.com

> <mailto:tim.s...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> just to re-iterate can we do the clean up on the following weekend i.e
> 28/29 rather than the 21/22nd ?
>
> \t
>
> On 12/01/2012 09:13, Russ Garrett wrote:
> > I agree with Charles that the toilet is too small to comfortable house
> > the laser cutter.
> >
> > On 12 January 2012 08:42, Adrian Godwin <artg...@gmail.com

John Best

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Jan 12, 2012, 10:21:13 AM1/12/12
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Hi,

Sorry for OT, but the email below makes me unutterably happy.

J.

Ps. Just a lurker, not visited yet.

Sent from my iPhone

DieselDragon

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Jan 14, 2012, 6:54:58 PM1/14/12
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Hi guys! [Please pardon the post lag, it's come via the mod queue]
This is a bit of an outside shot, but a few people on IRC the other
day mentioned that the bellows forge might be being thrown out as well
as it's not in apparent use/making/fixing. I have a mate who does a
fair bit of casting and Metalwork who *might* be interested in it (I'd
have to check with him and see if he could collect it) so if it's not
already been thrown out, would anyone mind if I have a word with him
and see if he'd have a need for it?

I must admit I was planning on using it as a learning rig for Sword-
forging and other Arcane arts, but I'll agree that it does take up a
lot of room and would probably cost a bomb to run as well.

Anyhow, if a brief consensus can be held about the bellows forge (I'm
assuming that it *has* been earmarked for throwing already) would
anyone mind if I mention it to my mate? We're both a fair way outside
of London, but if he can find a use for it I'm sure he and I would be
able to come up and collect. :-)

+++ DieselDragon +++
(P.S Russ: Please could you contact me off-list so I mail you to check
some things regarding my membership before I get this sorted out and
finalised please? Cheers! :-)


Sam Cook wrote:
> As a continuation of the earlier thread on new hand
> tools...
> https://groups.google.com/group/london-hack-space/browse_thread/thread/d652b16863a63ad8/ae1f62ba3e4d30f3?hl=en&lnk=gst&q=hand+tools#ae1f62ba3e4d30f3

Mark Steward

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Jan 16, 2012, 9:00:00 AM1/16/12
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Yup it's still there, although Billy said he was going to check with someone as well, so you should check with him before taking it.

Mark

Billy

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Jan 16, 2012, 10:07:04 PM1/16/12
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I'm sorting out with Abbey Gardens, so we can use their space as
somewhere to do outdoor work.

There'll be limited access as the rest of the area is residential, but
it'll do to start with.

Hopefully there'll be two of the organisers here tomorrow evening.

DieselDragon

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Jan 17, 2012, 3:53:40 AM1/17/12
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Hi again!
I checked with my mate yesterday, and he doubts that he'd have the
space for it at home even though he would like to have one! If we can
still have use of it at Abbey Gdns though, that's better as it'll
allow those of us who wish to try our hands at forging to still do
so! :-)
(Besides, forges are much better used out in the open. I've visited a
few Blacksmiths in my time and an indoor forge can be a very hot,
smoky and uncomfortable place!)

Just as a fallback in case the Abbey Gdns thing doesn't work out: I
guesstimated the forge as being 4ft x 4ft and my mate went on that. Is
that measurement indeed accurate?
+++ DieselDragon +++

Billy

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Jan 17, 2012, 12:10:46 PM1/17/12
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It's not that big. 21" by 25" by 6" for the working area, thought the
whole thing is 34" high, with around 12" of clearance needed at the
front, for the foot pump for the bellows.

There's a few cracks and wholes in the meatl, but the main structure
is sound. It'll need re-lining with fire-brick and fire-cement, to be
really safe.

And yes, it is definitely an outdoor tool... :))

Another option that a couple of members are going with, is the
blacksmithing courses run by Ian Lowe, at Stepney City Farm. He's been
down to the space a couple of times. Nice geezer.

Sam Cook

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Jan 19, 2012, 6:36:24 AM1/19/12
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Given that this is this weekend and will be a big job I think some sort of plan of action would be useful so here's what I think our aims should be:
  1. Tidy up (mainly getting shit off the floor and tidied/thrown away)
  2. Sort the hand tools, this would include figuring out what to keep, what to replace and what we need then ordering it (as well as spares and such). This would also include things like drill bits, taps, dies and similar.
There hasn't really been a well supported or argued case for major rearrangement of the workshop but it has been proposed that the wood working bench be moved closer to the rack of tools on the back wall. Another proposal was that the rack of tools from the far wall be moved to the left side of the entrance from unit 24 (opposite the other rack). Frankly I think this latter option will be better as it puts all the tools in once place, and with some shadowing, colours, what ever marking scheme we want it should mean that they're more likely to go back there.

Thoughts?

S

Sam Kelly

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Jan 19, 2012, 6:46:32 AM1/19/12
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At the moment, getting to the tools on the back wall can be awkward
(it certainly was last night) so I like the idea of making a second
rack to the left of the entrance.

--
Sam Kelly, http://www.eithin.co.uk/

Phish

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Jan 19, 2012, 10:01:16 PM1/19/12
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I propose all tools be mounted to the tool rack via 3ft of reasonably
stretchy elastic.
At least this way you can guarentee that they will return to their
original storage position, and even lazy hackers should have no
difficulty sending them back there!

On Jan 19, 11:36 am, Sam Cook <sam.lindenrat...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Given that this is this weekend and will be a big job I think some sort of
> plan of action would be useful so here's what I think our aims should be:
>
>    1. Tidy up (mainly getting shit off the floor and tidied/thrown away)
>    2. Sort the hand tools, this would include figuring out what to keep,

Simon Howes

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Jan 20, 2012, 5:40:53 AM1/20/12
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Come on Phish... Thats not in the spirit of the Hackspace
Surely theres a way we can attempt the same thing with a series of kinnects, arduionos and a clustered java platform?

Oh, and we can open source it too!

Tim Storey

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Jan 20, 2012, 5:56:27 AM1/20/12
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as much as I agree with the sentiment surely anything not java ?

\t

On 20/01/2012 10:40, Simon Howes wrote:
> Come on Phish... Thats not in the spirit of the Hackspace
> Surely theres a way we can attempt the same thing with a series of
> kinnects, arduionos and a clustered java platform?
>
> Oh, and we can open source it too!
>
> On Jan 20, 2012 3:01 AM, "Phish" <wgm...@gmail.com

> <mailto:wgm...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> I propose all tools be mounted to the tool rack via 3ft of reasonably
> stretchy elastic.
> At least this way you can guarentee that they will return to their
> original storage position, and even lazy hackers should have no
> difficulty sending them back there!
>
> On Jan 19, 11:36 am, Sam Cook <sam.lindenrat...@gmail.com

Mike Harrison

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Jan 20, 2012, 6:03:07 AM1/20/12
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Spotted this - looks like a flowing-gas type judging by the vacuum pump & regulator - I don't know
what laser premix gas costs, but even if you replaced the laser with a chinese sealed tube could be
a good buy if it goes cheap.
The mechanics & optics are probably good quality,

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Gamata-Laser-Cutter-/250977069615?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item3a6f662a2f

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