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Dave Durant

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Jun 7, 2011, 9:49:35 AM6/7/11
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I know HS has a group that refurbs rackmounts and sells them on to
bring in some money. Can someone point me to a contact ASAP as my
company is about to get rid up anything up to 200 servers in the next
2-3 weeks. I doubt there's space at HS so if anyone knows a place
these could be stored while their being processed that'd be great.

Does HS have charitable status yet because that would really make
things easier.

Sam Cook

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Jun 7, 2011, 10:10:08 AM6/7/11
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I know HS has a group that refurbs rackmounts and sells them on to
bring in some money.

This has been an on going project for the last 8 months processing ~60 servers, ~200 HDDs and several 15 screens. I'm not sure if those involved will be interested in doing this again 
 
[snip] anything up to 200 servers in the next 2-3 weeks.

Can you give us any more information on these servers: whether we'll be asked to collect them, what state they're in, what models/makes/types they are, what the conditions for resale are (do they need DBANing or are they clear). This is a lovely offer and an excellent way to bring revenue into the space but ultimately it has to be worth it for us.
 
I doubt there's space at HS
 
Too true
 
so if anyone knows a place these could be stored while their being processed that'd be great.

This will be tricky because our options are likely to be a) someone's home or b) rented storage. Both of these will mean things have to be cleared fast (to avoid imposition and charges respectively) which will be tricky (as noted it's taken at least 6 months to clear 60 servers on eBay). It also requires people to run and organise the sales and whatever processing.
 
Does HS have charitable status yet because that would really make
things easier.

As far as I know not yet, this will likely take several months.

Sorry that there was no reply to the original thread, but more information is required before it's possible to make a decision if this is something that people will be willing to take on again. 

Cheers

S

Robert Leverington

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Jun 7, 2011, 10:41:09 AM6/7/11
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Thank you for the offer Dave & your comments Sam.

Personally, I would be hesitant for us to take on any more servers at
this point (I don't know what Jasper and Martin think about this).

While selling servers is great for fundraising, 200 servers could
potentially net us �20,000, the effort required is also very large. I
would estimate that each server takes about 3 man-hours to process.

With only three of us working on this "full-time" it has taken us 6
months to do two-thirds of the servers we recieved. Admittedly there
was the added complication of dban-ing the hard disks, but this was
completed within the first week of getting the servers.

I am not really motivated to auction off any more servers beyond the few
we have left from Last.fm unless 4-5 more people got involved in the
project and are willing to dedicate a decent amount of time to it. I
think that, realistically, in order to process and sell 100+ servers
within a reasonable timeframe (1 or 2 months) we would need at least
10 people actively working on the project.

Robert

Philippe Bradley

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Jun 7, 2011, 10:47:13 AM6/7/11
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I'd help if this goes ahead
 Phil

Sam Cook

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Jun 7, 2011, 10:50:05 AM6/7/11
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Personally, I would be hesitant for us to take on any more servers at
this point (I don't know what Jasper and Martin think about this).

I thought this might be the case 
 
While selling servers is great for fundraising, 200 servers could
potentially net us £20,000, the effort required is also very large.  I
would estimate that each server takes about 3 man-hours to process.

I think as importantly: how rapidly do you think we could sell them and ship them?

With only three of us working on this "full-time" it has taken us 6
months to do two-thirds of the servers we recieved.  Admittedly there
was the added complication of dban-ing the hard disks, but this was
completed within the first week of getting the servers.

How much prep does each server need? testing and cataloging I guess?
 
I am not really motivated to auction off any more servers beyond the few
we have left from Last.fm unless 4-5 more people got involved in the
project and are willing to dedicate a decent amount of time to it.  I
think that, realistically, in order to process and sell 100+ servers
within a reasonable timeframe (1 or 2 months) we would need at least
10 people actively working on the project.

How many more do you think would be needed to actually sell them and how long would that likely take do you think?

Personally I don't think I'll have time to commit to helping with this.

Russ Garrett

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Jun 7, 2011, 11:00:50 AM6/7/11
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On 7 June 2011 14:49, Dave Durant <chol...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Does HS have charitable status yet because that would really make
> things easier.

In the best case, gift aid should be back-datable to a point starting
mid-to-late next month, but this is by no means guaranteed.

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Mike

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Jun 7, 2011, 11:11:31 AM6/7/11
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On Tue, Jun 07, 2011 at 03:47:13PM +0100, Philippe Bradley wrote:
> I'd help if this goes ahead
> Phil
>

I'd be willing to help with this too.

Mike.

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Tim Storey

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Jun 7, 2011, 11:12:58 AM6/7/11
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I would be willing to help with this also assuming we wished to do it.

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Rufus Cable

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Jun 7, 2011, 11:17:13 AM6/7/11
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I'm also willing to help.

Rufus.

Robert Leverington

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Jun 7, 2011, 11:44:35 AM6/7/11
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On 2011-06-07, Sam Cook wrote:
> > With only three of us working on this "full-time" it has taken us 6
> > months to do two-thirds of the servers we recieved. Admittedly there
> > was the added complication of dban-ing the hard disks, but this was
> > completed within the first week of getting the servers.
> >
>
> How much prep does each server need? testing and cataloging I guess?

1. Generating the hardware information data (now automated, probably can be considered testing it)
2. Adding to the data table (usually involves opening it up to check the RAID card and cables)
3. Photographing

The auction listing description is automatically generated from the
data table now, so listing is just a case of waiting 10 minutes for
the pictures to upload.

Then once that's done any packaging needs to be ordered (we do this
JiT at the moment) then shipping arranged.

> > I am not really motivated to auction off any more servers beyond the few
> > we have left from Last.fm unless 4-5 more people got involved in the
> > project and are willing to dedicate a decent amount of time to it. I
> > think that, realistically, in order to process and sell 100+ servers
> > within a reasonable timeframe (1 or 2 months) we would need at least
> > 10 people actively working on the project.
> >
>
> How many more do you think would be needed to actually sell them and how
> long would that likely take do you think?

One person can probably catalog about 2 servers an hour (if there are no
problems encountered). The rest of the process (photographing, auctions,
and shipping) gets progressively more efficient as the number of servers
being sold at once increases.

So I would estimate that 5-10 people volunteering for 2-5 hours a week
could potentially get 40-50 done in a week. Though I feel this is
potentially a gross overestimate.

The main concern about having 200 servers in the space is that it will
take up an extremely large amount of room (for reference, 60 Last.fm
servers occupied approximatley four columns of servers... so 200 would
be at least 13 columns).

There does seem to be a lot of interest in this though, which is really
cool.

I'm personally not going to be able to put a lot of physical time in to
this for 2 weeks due to exams.

Dave, how long do we have to take this offer up from you?

Robert

Billy

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Jun 7, 2011, 12:36:01 PM6/7/11
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Thank you, Dave, for giving us this opportunity.

I've not done this sort of thing, but i'd be happy to help, if someone
shows me what to do.

If it's basically automatable, then it's possible to set it up as a
standard job, that any member could do, same as the dishwasher, the
tidying, and the bins.

The edge cases will need documenting, for the machines that don't
fully work.

Storage will be an issue, but if it will help cover the shortfall in
the rent/rates, then it's worth doing.

I've got a garage's worth of storage space available, so if people are
willing to help move them, then most of the storage is sorted.

Next thing to do, is to get an idea of the machine specs, and check
the current prices for that spec. Then we'll know whether it's worth
the effort.

Martin Dittus

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Jun 7, 2011, 12:47:48 PM6/7/11
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On 7 Jun 2011, at 16:44, Robert Leverington wrote:

> On 2011-06-07, Sam Cook wrote:
>> How much prep does each server need? testing and cataloging I guess?
>
> 1. Generating the hardware information data (now automated, probably can be considered testing it)
> 2. Adding to the data table (usually involves opening it up to check the RAID card and cables)
> 3. Photographing


Much time was also spent on setting up automation systems and debugging broken hardware; dealing with potential buyers during the auction, packing, shipping, post-sale stuff (just got an email by someone whose server arrived badly damaged; there's loads of scope for things to take more time than expected.)

This was exacerbated by the highly heterogenous hardware selection; a more uniform hardware pile would simplify things substantially.

My perspective: as I'm getting more and more busy with other things I've less time to spend on this. I would still be available to help out even after the Last.fm pile is gone, but can't help to manage things in quite the same way as before. If however someone volunteers to coordinate the process I'd be happy to help out.

m.

Jasper Wallace

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Jun 7, 2011, 1:50:44 PM6/7/11
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On Tue, 7 Jun 2011, Dave Durant wrote:

>
> I know HS has a group that refurbs rackmounts and sells them on to
> bring in some money. Can someone point me to a contact ASAP as my
> company is about to get rid up anything up to 200 servers in the next
> 2-3 weeks. I doubt there's space at HS so if anyone knows a place
> these could be stored while their being processed that'd be great.

We don't have large amounts of space, so 200 machines would be too much,
idealy we'd take:

10-20 machines, all with: sata, as new as possible, less than 5
years old, with mounting rails, known to run, and all with the
same hardware (or half with one spec and half with another), we don't want
a large mix of machines.

additionally if they support amd-V or the inetl hardware virtualisation
stuff that would be nice too, cos thats what some people have been asking
for.

> Does HS have charitable status yet because that would really make
> things easier.

see russs's reply later in the thread.

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Jasper Wallace

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Jun 7, 2011, 1:54:47 PM6/7/11
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On Tue, 7 Jun 2011, Robert Leverington wrote:

> On 2011-06-07, Sam Cook wrote:
> > > With only three of us working on this "full-time" it has taken us 6
> > > months to do two-thirds of the servers we recieved. Admittedly there
> > > was the added complication of dban-ing the hard disks, but this was
> > > completed within the first week of getting the servers.
> > >
> >
> > How much prep does each server need? testing and cataloging I guess?
>
> 1. Generating the hardware information data (now automated, probably can be considered testing it)

We've had problems with - e.g. tyan 2882 and 2882-D mobo's using the same
dmibios identifiers

> 2. Adding to the data table (usually involves opening it up to check the RAID card and cables)

If we're going to carry on doing servers we need to stop using the wiki
and start on a decent asset tracking system, my scripts for sorting and
searching the listings rely on being able to parse the wiki and the wiki
changes too much to keep up[1], rolling our own app or using something off
the shelf would help.

[1] wiki's in general seem to suck for doing anything even slightly
structured with them.
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cepm...@yahoo.co.uk

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Jun 7, 2011, 4:18:34 PM6/7/11
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Could we not just do a basic description, take it or leave it type offer
and knock them out at a lower price? As for the hard drives, we have a
large quantity in stock ready wiped and checked so could just do a swap
and deal with the new ones at a later time....

I also could make space available in one of my lockups, four or five
servers wide and as high as they can be stacked safely, perhaps more if
required. ( It will encourage me to throw out some of the useless old toot
that is in there now) :-) and I would be willing to put some time into the
sorting effort.

Phil

Dave Durant

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Jun 8, 2011, 8:20:19 AM6/8/11
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Right - I should have supplied more information to start with so here
goes.

We have ~300 servers going in total. I will have a breakdown of
roughly what they are by the end of the week. They are being offered
to anyone here for personal use or to go to charity / school
connections employees have. I expect ~200 to be left after that. Any
that are given away will be scrapped via a company that gives 50% of
their value back to us to give to charity.

Getting the severs in the first place may prove a small challenge if
HS is not yet an officially registered charity but I can say we're in
the process of applying (that's correct, isn't it?).

As I've said before if some kind person like Phil is offering storage
space it become a question of persuading Nokia that they are going to
a good home. It would be really useful if someone like Sam, Jonty or
equivalent could pop in for a chat to explain HS to people here.

I'll be in touch when the list of servers is made available and we can
discuss what / how many would be ideally sensible. Is it worth
creating another list just to cover the folks working on this or
should we leave it on the main list?

Jasper Wallace

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Jun 8, 2011, 11:26:37 AM6/8/11
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On Wed, 8 Jun 2011, Dave Durant wrote:

>
>
> I'll be in touch when the list of servers is made available and we can
> discuss what / how many would be ideally sensible. Is it worth
> creating another list just to cover the folks working on this or
> should we leave it on the main list?

Keep it on the main list please.

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Dave Durant

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Jun 23, 2011, 9:24:53 AM6/23/11
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Hi,

Okay - some more concrete information coming through.

My work is likely to allocate 50 blade servers - 25 G4s and 25 G4Ps to
Hackspace.

If (cepm...@yahoo.co.uk) has space to store these while volunteers
make them fit for purpose to sell then that would be great.

Let me know about collection, how we're going to track the status of
them and, most importantly, if anyone wants to step up coordinating
refurbing and selling them.

Dave Durant

Robert Leverington

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Jun 23, 2011, 9:37:45 AM6/23/11
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On 2011-06-23, Dave Durant wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> Okay - some more concrete information coming through.
>
> My work is likely to allocate 50 blade servers - 25 G4s and 25 G4Ps to
> Hackspace.

Thanks for this.

A few thoughts:

Blade servers are a lot smaller than rack-mounts, I think this is
something we could make room for quite easily once the remaining Last.fm
servers are sold. (I'll be working on this next week now my exams are
almost over, so this should be very soon.)

Are these likely to be of a similar specification? Presumably they are
as they are blades, it should be a lot quicker to sell these then -
which would make it easier to justify keeping them in the space.

How useful are blade servers without an appropriate enclosure? Or are
these fairly standard?

How soon do we need to collect these if we take this offer up?

Cheers,
Robert

Martin Dittus

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Jun 23, 2011, 9:42:05 AM6/23/11
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Also, before you assume it's safe to go ahead: The lab extractor story has shown that it's always easy to bring stuff, and everyone's easily excited about it; but once it's there it's much harder to find people who actually do the work and don't need to get nagged about it. We now have a massive lab bench that nobody has any use for, and nobody feels responsible for taking it away.

Unless there's an identifiable team of people who take responsibility for the pile I advise against accepting it.

m.

Dave Durant

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Jun 23, 2011, 12:18:01 PM6/23/11
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Damn, sorry - slip of the keyboard. Is still rackmounts - I had blades
on the brain from something else at work.

Nicholas FitzRoy-Dale

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On 23/06/2011, at 2:42 PM, Martin Dittus wrote:

> Also, before you assume it's safe to go ahead: The lab extractor story has shown that it's always easy to bring stuff, and everyone's easily excited about it; but once it's there it's much harder to find people who actually do the work and don't need to get nagged about it. We now have a massive lab bench that nobody has any use for, and nobody feels responsible for taking it away.

To be fair, people might still be excited about it if it actually had turned out to *be* a lab extractor bench. :)

Nicholas

Martin Klang

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Jun 23, 2011, 4:37:47 PM6/23/11
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What about looking for another way of selling these servers, maybe through trade channels / auctions rather than eBay?

Or we could look for the type of companies that buy from trade auctions and solicit offers.

Selling them one by one on eBay seems, judging from the lastFM lot, to be a bit labour intensive.

Dave mentioned they're G4's, does that mean HP ProLiant? What type/size? Considering that 4u*50 > 1u*50.

/m

Adrian Godwin

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Jun 23, 2011, 6:03:59 PM6/23/11
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Try selling them less carefully - we probably got the best prices with
all the work that was put in, but you could sell them much more
generically as '20 available' or whatever.

-adrian

Martin Dittus

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Jun 23, 2011, 6:57:22 PM6/23/11
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Exactly my point. We are in agreement. The point is: who will take care of it once it turns out that it's _not_ as easy to sell as it was to accept the gift?

Thanks Adrian, Martin and others for the excellent ideas; but frankly we don't have a shortage of ideas. At the moment we have a shortage of volunteers for this project.

m.

Cepmender

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Jun 23, 2011, 10:30:10 PM6/23/11
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As indicated previously, I am happy to store these and feed them into the system as required, so relieving the inconvenience of tripping over them and  pressure to work on them quickly.


The existing batch of servers have been a great boost to the HS economy and if these ones can improve our finances further then let`s have them. 


The team that are dealing with the LastFM stuff have earned a rest, if we have this lot are there any others willing to take a bit of the load?  I can put some time into things like wiping/testing HDD, basic functional testing etc. but know sod all about the more detailed stuff. 


Phil

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Jun 24, 2011, 4:33:59 AM6/24/11
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Hello Dave,

Could you supply specific details of the servers please, searching for
"G4s and 25 G4Ps" it is coming up with some vague stuff especially
since you specifically said these were blade servers rather than rack
mount 1u/Xu servers. Are you perhaps meaning rackmount 2u HP
DL380g4's ?

With blades (if Dave really does mean blade) I am not too sure if we
would be able to easily sell them. The reason being is that they
aren't useful without the blade chassis for two reasons:

1) Without the chassis you can't do anything - even powering them up
uses a proprietory connector. The only ports they present are nic's -
no vga, no power port, nothing else.

2) if a company has a chassis (not cheap) they can afford to buy new
blades. the reason a company would want new blades over old ones is
warranteed support which enhances the service they are presenting.
Blade infrastructure often goes hand in hand with virtualisation to
offer a highly resilient service at high density. Non warranteed
blade would somewhat compromise this ideal. What I am saying is that
demand might be low for these blades if they are in fact blades.

-asc

Nick Boyle

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Jun 24, 2011, 4:49:21 AM6/24/11
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Really? We have 300 people. I'd most likely be happy to nip up at lunch every day, plug a different machine in and press a button. With all the great minds, am sure we could put together some sort of automated system, or something that would allow us to work remotely. This is a very kind offer and judging by the recent posts r.e. finance, not something we should give up lightly.

Jim MacArthur

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Jun 24, 2011, 5:04:46 AM6/24/11
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We do have a lot of people, and it's great that you want to work on this, but you can't assume that anyone is willing or able to work on any given project. I would also make a guess that many members have found better ways of earning money which could be donated to the space than processing used computers. Of course, if you'd enjoy doing it, that's a different matter.

Dave Ingram

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Jun 24, 2011, 5:13:07 AM6/24/11
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On 24/06/11 09:33, asc wrote:
> since you specifically said these were blade servers rather than rack
> mount 1u/Xu servers. Are you perhaps meaning rackmount 2u HP
> DL380g4's ?
>
> (if Dave really does mean blade)
Just to refer you to another post in the thread, where Dave said:

> Damn, sorry - slip of the keyboard. Is still rackmounts - I had blades
> on the brain from something else at work.

So yeah... rackmounts :-)

Martin Dittus

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Jun 24, 2011, 7:00:12 AM6/24/11
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300 members does not equal 300 volunteers. And it certainly does not equal 300 individuals who will accept responsibility for the completion of this.

I'm not saying "let's not do this", far from that. I'm just saying I strongly believe that a project of this nature requires someone to step forward and say "I'll take this on as a project." Not to do all the work, but to make sure that the work gets done; someone who coordinates volunteers.

I posit that as an informal affair with vague group ownership it has a very slim chance of actually happening.

m.

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On Jun 24, 9:49 am, Nick Boyle <elyobel...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Really? We have 300 people. I'd most likely be happy to nip up at lunch
> every day, plug a different machine in and press a button. With all the
> great minds, am sure we could put together some sort of automated system, or
> something that would allow us to work remotely. This is a very kind offer
> and judging by the recent posts r.e. finance, not something we should give
> up lightly.
>

It is an incredibly time consuming process that requires a fair amount
of on going commitment.

The offer and resultant money is greatly appreciated, but what we are
discussing is whether we have the resources to cope with the work
needed.

I think what we need to know first is the quality of the servers.
From that we would get an idea of the money earned and then weigh that
up against the work required.

I noticed you used the tentative words "most likely" :)

-asc

Billy

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Jun 24, 2011, 7:40:29 AM6/24/11
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I'll help.

I have a pile of other projects that i'm chewing my way through, but
i'll help if someone else volunteers to organise it.

Besides, i've not had the chance to pull a Blade computer apart
yet... :D

Billy

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Jun 24, 2011, 7:47:15 AM6/24/11
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Forgot to say, i've got storage space, about 1 garage's worth, so the
more important question is ,

What's the time limit?

When do you need a 'yes or no' by?

Mark Steward

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I don't know how many times this needs to be said, but we *still* don't have someone who's take responsibility for organising them.

While it's fantastic that they're being offered, please stop moving things on until we can be sure we'll deal with them.  Otherwise, we'll have to pay for disposal.


Cheers,
Mark


On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 1:45 PM, Dave Durant <chol...@gmail.com> wrote:

I'll try and get more information on exactly what these are today.

Previously it was stated that we wanted to move these out "by the end
of the month" but I suspect there will be a little leeway. If someone
has a place where we can store these rather than at Hackspace can we
start discussing which days they are free and whether we need to hire
a van (or if anyone has one we can use), etc.

Lastly it would be really great if someone from the 'space (Jonty /
Tom?) could draft a quick thanks email to the folks at my place that
are handing these over.

Cheers.

Dave Durant

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Jun 24, 2011, 8:45:46 AM6/24/11
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I'll try and get more information on exactly what these are today.

Previously it was stated that we wanted to move these out "by the end
of the month" but I suspect there will be a little leeway. If someone
has a place where we can store these rather than at Hackspace can we
start discussing which days they are free and whether we need to hire
a van (or if anyone has one we can use), etc.

Lastly it would be really great if someone from the 'space (Jonty /
Tom?) could draft a quick thanks email to the folks at my place that
are handing these over.

Cheers.

On Jun 24, 12:47 pm, Billy <bi...@billycomputersmith.com> wrote:

Philippe Bradley

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I seem to remember several of us - myself included - having offered our help with this, Martin. As for the lab non-extractor bench, following the biohacking meetup last wednesday, it has been cleaned, photos taken, and brokers will be contacted over the next few weeks; failing that, it's going back on ebay.

Martin Dittus

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Jun 25, 2011, 2:47:18 PM6/25/11
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Thank you, this is great news!

Yes I've seen the offers for help, we would still need someone to take on the responsibility of managing the server auction though.

Dave Durant

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Jun 28, 2011, 8:40:00 AM6/28/11
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Okay, this is the situation - the servers are there for the taking,
but only at these times:

* Tuesday 5th 10:00 – 12:00 and 14:00-15:00
* Wednesday 6h – 10:00-12:00 and 14:00-15:00

While kind people have offered to store them we still have the
following issues in decreasing order of priority:

1) We still DO NOT have anyone that has volunteered to be in change of
either the REFURB or the SELLING process - without someone(s) stepping
up to run these it's pretty much IMPOSSIBLE to proceed

2) We need a method to move 50 rack-mount servers from SE1 to wherever
they're going to be store during the one of the periods above - I'm
happy to lug things but we need a van, driver and coordination with
the owner of the storage. If 50 servers won't fit in one van may
require multiple trips.

3) Getting the servers from storage to the space, coordinating the
volunteers to do the refurbing, eBaying, organising shipping /
collection, etc, etc.

From my PoV I'm keen to supply these and help out with the refurbing
but I don't have time to be in charge of the process - we need another
volunteer.

Martin Klang

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Any word on what they are? Proliants?

2) I can take care of transport, got a small van and can do 2-3 trips as necessary.
Will need 1 volunteer to come with, another 1-2 people at destination to help haul them in would be good too.

/m

Billy

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Jun 28, 2011, 1:44:56 PM6/28/11
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Martin, I'll come carry stuff. Shout me to arrange the practical
details.

Philippe Bradley

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Jun 28, 2011, 4:11:15 PM6/28/11
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Likewise

Dave Durant

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Jun 28, 2011, 6:15:25 PM6/28/11
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I can help lug stuff too. However, I really need to know which of
those slots we're going to be using to do this.

Also, as I said earlier, if someone could write a nice note to Nokia
saying thanks for all the kit on behalf of HS it would make it more
likely we might get more stuff in the future (which is entirely
possible in 2012).

Martin Klang

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WHAT KIND OF SERVER ARE THEY?

apologies for shouting.

Tuesday 5th 2-3pm works for me. What's the exact location?

/m

Dave Durant

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Jun 29, 2011, 8:49:08 AM6/29/11
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Will copy you on email to current owners off-list.

Located at SE1 8HP.

If can confirm we have enough people to lug stuff both ends that date
sounds good.

Martin Dittus

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Jun 29, 2011, 9:07:51 AM6/29/11
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No. Don't proceed.

We still don't have ANYONE who stepped forward to run this project.

To repeat Mark's last email: "I don't know how many times this needs to be said, but we *still* don't have someone who's take responsibility for organising them."

And insert a couple of swear words for measure.

If the servers end up at the space without consensus that we can take care of them (which atm we don't have) then they remain in your property, and become your problem.

http://wiki.hackspace.org.uk/wiki/Guides/Bringing_items_to_the_space#Donations_to_the_space

m.

Russ Garrett

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Jun 29, 2011, 9:22:23 AM6/29/11
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On 29 June 2011 14:07, Martin Dittus <dek...@gmail.com> wrote:
> No. Don't proceed.
>
> We still don't have ANYONE who stepped forward to run this project.

Let me just echo what Martin said. As much as these could be
beneficial to our finances, the last thing we need is 50 servers
cluttering up the place for the next eight months.

This can't proceed unless someone (ideally more than one person)
volunteers to supervise it.

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Martin Klang

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They appear to be HP Proliant DL360 1U machines. If they are G3 and G4 then they're probably single or dual Xeon CPU's around 3GHz.
Good, solid machines and a bit of an industry standard, but after a quick glance at ebay we probably shouldn't expect much more than £30-60 each.

We still need a volunteer to take responsibility for selling these off.
If no-one else steps up I will take this on. (Gaah! what am I doing!!!)

/m

On 29 Jun 2011, at 13:49, Dave Durant wrote:

Dave Durant

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My understanding was that these are /not/ going to be stored at the
space - where there is absolutely not enough room for 50 servers. Off
site storage is arranged but /does/ leave the problem of moving them
about when the need to be worked on.

We need a coordinator to arrange:
* Storage
* Moving them around
* Refurbs
* Selling on

Martin - if you are happy doing that then that's superb but it's
potentially a *big* job and while I (and other folks) are happy to
chip in with some time it's going to *remain* a big job for some time.

Need a final nod one way or the other ASAP as they are due to be moved
out of my work (in storage, /not/ Hackspace) next week.

asc

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Dave,

It is vitally important that you answer the below questions, by
frustratingly refusing to answer them you are making it very hard for
anyone to step forward and manage this project.

1) Please give us the specs of the machines.
2) Will they come with disks?
3) What is the age of the machine?
4) Will they come with rails?
5) Are they in running condition or are they being thrown away because
they are faulty?

-asc




Martin Klang

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asc,

It is vitally important that you read the whole thread...

They're HP Proliant DL360's, probably G3 and/or G4.

I understand they're avec disque, size/quantity unknown.

We may be able to get rails.

/m

Martin Klang

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I can do the following:
- pick up on Tuesday (with helpers!)
- store upstairs in unit 30
- some degree of coordination

Transporting to/from storage will make it _much_ harder to sell these.
Also storing them in my workspace means I'll be motivated to get them sold off, quickly!

What do y'all think about offering some of them to members to buy at tiny / donation price?
(on the obvious condition that they're not kept in the 'space!)

/m

Jasper Wallace

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Jun 30, 2011, 5:27:24 PM6/30/11
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On Thu, 30 Jun 2011, Martin Klang wrote:

> asc,
>
> It is vitally important that you read the whole thread...

Grrrr

> They're HP Proliant DL360's, probably G3 and/or G4.

I haven't seen a post from Dave unambiguously stating the type(s) of the
servers, I've seen people guessing as to what they might be, which is not
the same as actually VERIFIED FACTS.

Dave: you are cc'd on this message, PLEASE, PLEASE, TELL US the
MAKE/MANUFACTURER/MODEL OF THE SERVERS FOR CRYING OUT LOUD.

AT LEAST TAKE PICTURES AND POST THE PICS.

PLEASE, PLEASE, ANSWER asc's QUESTIONS:

> 1) Please give us the specs of the machines.
> 2) Will they come with disks?
> 3) What is the age of the machine?
> 4) Will they come with rails?
> 5) Are they in running condition or are they being thrown away because
> they are faulty?

> I understand they're avec disque, size/quantity unknown.
>
> We may be able to get rails.

If we cannot get rails the servers are next to USELESS cos then they can't
be easily be rack mounted!

as i and others have said:

We need to be certain that we know what the machines are.

We need to know how many of each type (and preferably as few types as
possible).

We NEED mounting rails.

If they need other accessories (custom cables?) we need them too.

Also check for things like:

Do they have a bios password?, if they do WE NEED IT.

Do they have some kind of built in management system (iLOM?, IPMI?), if so,
and if it has a password, we WILL NEED the PASSWORD(s).


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Russ Garrett

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On 30 June 2011 22:27, Jasper Wallace <jas...@pointless.net> wrote:
> Do they have some kind of built in management system (iLOM?, IPMI?), if so,
> and if it has a password, we WILL NEED the PASSWORD(s).

It's trivial to reset the password on (I believe) all flavours of HP
iLO as long as you have physical machine access.

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Katie Sutton

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On 30 June 2011 22:27, Jasper Wallace <jas...@pointless.net> wrote:
> Dave: you are cc'd on this message, PLEASE, PLEASE, TELL US the
> MAKE/MANUFACTURER/MODEL OF THE SERVERS FOR CRYING OUT LOUD.

Just spoken to David and prodded him to look at the list so you'll
hopefully get some kind of answer tonight...


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it." ~ William Gibson

Tim Storey

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This is becoming farcical.
I am of the opinion we should walk away from this.
That's my 2p

Mike

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On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 10:47:46PM +0100, Russ Garrett wrote:
> On 30 June 2011 22:27, Jasper Wallace <jas...@pointless.net> wrote:
> > Do they have some kind of built in management system (iLOM?, IPMI?), if so,
> > and if it has a password, we WILL NEED the PASSWORD(s).
>
> It's trivial to reset the password on (I believe) all flavours of HP
> iLO as long as you have physical machine access.
>

With physical access to a machine, all security is null and void.

Mike.

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Martin Klang

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just got this from David's colleague:
> Around 10 of the G4 are 2U DL380, and I have ensured that all disk bays are full for you.

Regarding rails:
> There are no rails with them, again unless someone wants to go through a large stash of mixed rails to try and find the correct ones.

/m

Russ Garrett

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On 1 July 2011 13:46, Martin Klang <ma...@pingdynasty.com> wrote:
> Regarding rails:
>> There are no rails with them, again unless someone wants to go through a large stash of mixed rails to try and find the correct ones.

Rails really are essential - rack servers are useless without them -
and as such I think someone does need to go through and work out which
rails are which.

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Martin Klang

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Jul 1, 2011, 9:00:18 AM7/1/11
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you can get them on ebay - but they cost as much as the server!

/m

Simon Howes

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Maybe we should just get all the rails and sell them instead?
*trollface*

Martin Klang

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Jul 1, 2011, 10:00:19 AM7/1/11
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great idea and well volunteered!

/m

Sci

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With the leftovers could make a nice little render farm. Grow bountiful
crops of polygons.