[PLEDGE] plumbing to the basement

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Tom Hodder

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Sep 30, 2013, 7:58:46 PM9/30/13
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Hi All,

I know that PCB etching, photography, and and the darkroom area, and various other activities are held back by the lack of plumbing to the basement.

There is currently £350 out of £800 remaining to kick that off. I know that's quite a bit of money but I think it will really give some bang for those bucks.

The basement plumbing pledge includes such modern conveniences as:
  • Sink in the main workshop area with HOT WATER!
  • 1 Sink in PCB/darkroom area
  • working PCB etching tank
  • Working sink in the Biolab 

The Basement plumbing pledge page is here;

I think it's well worth making a pledge for this one, just because it will open up a lot more options.

Thanks,
Tom

Billy

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Sep 30, 2013, 11:43:35 PM9/30/13
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I didn't know that people had been pledging for this.

I'm in for £25.

The workshop needs a sink. Hot water's a bonus.

Are we going to do this ourselves or are we hiring in a plumber?

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Oct 1, 2013, 5:55:57 AM10/1/13
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I'll pledge a conditional £50.

It's conditional on the fact of the etch tank remaining where its
orignally planned to be. And it's installation not being blocked by any
random other large things / projects / etc that may or may not be broken
(cough, flow cytometer, cough) or worked on in the future. And goes in
immediately upon completion of the initial plumbing job being done.

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On 01/10/13 04:43, Billy wrote:
>
> I didn't know that people had been pledging for this.
>
> I'm in for £25.
>
> The workshop needs a sink. Hot water's a bonus.
>
> Are we going to do this ourselves or are we hiring in a plumber?
>
>
> On Tuesday, October 1, 2013 12:58:46 AM UTC+1, Tom Hodder wrote:
>
> Hi All,
>
> I know that PCB etching, photography, and and the darkroom area, and
> various other activities are held back by the lack of plumbing to
> the basement.
>
> There is currently £350 out of £800 remaining to kick that off. I
> know that's quite a bit of money but I think it will really give
> some bang for those bucks.
>
> The basement plumbing pledge includes such modern conveniences as:
>
> * Sink in the main workshop area with HOT WATER!
> * 1 Sink in PCB/darkroom area
> * working PCB etching tank
> * Working sink in the Biolab
>
>
> The Basement plumbing pledge page is here;
> https://wiki.london.hackspace.org.uk/view/Pledge:_Basement_plumbing
> <https://wiki.london.hackspace.org.uk/view/Pledge:_Basement_plumbing>
>
> I think it's well worth making a pledge for this one, just because
> it will open up a lot more options.
>
> Thanks,
> Tom
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Richard Patterson

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Oct 1, 2013, 6:24:51 AM10/1/13
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Pledged for no real reason other than maybe one day the plumbing in the basement might be useful to us brewers.

The metalwork area doesn't have extraction at the moment does it?

Eugene Nadyrshin

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Oct 1, 2013, 6:39:26 AM10/1/13
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£25 pledged, want to use the etching tank again!

wyan std

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Oct 1, 2013, 7:14:02 AM10/1/13
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Another £25 for now from me... if by payday we're still on this and another push is needed, will raise my pledge a bit more.


alphacabbage1

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Oct 1, 2013, 7:28:29 AM10/1/13
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Sounds good to me -- I'll donate £50 now if someone can send me the bank details off-list (non-member).

Mark Steward

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Oct 1, 2013, 7:41:22 AM10/1/13
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You can find it on github[1] in donate.php, or just sign up and it'll be the only member page you can see.


Mark




On Tue, Oct 1, 2013 at 12:28 PM, alphacabbage1 <mc.london-...@technicality.co.uk> wrote:
Sounds good to me -- I'll donate £50 now if someone can send me the bank details off-list (non-member).

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Xian Stannard

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Oct 1, 2013, 7:42:57 AM10/1/13
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I've pledged to help with PCB etching. Should we pay the money to the Hack Space now, when the pledged total reaches the target, or some other event?

alphacabbage1

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Oct 1, 2013, 7:50:46 AM10/1/13
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Cool, thanks. I was wondering if I'd get 6,000 messages naming off-shore accounts. ;)  Payment on its way soon...

Mark Steward

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Oct 1, 2013, 7:54:43 AM10/1/13
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Well, no need to send it now - it's a pledge, so it's only needs sending once we reach the target. We also need to decide on a pledge reference to help sort out the donations (probably PLUMBING).


Mark

William Beaufoy

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Oct 1, 2013, 7:59:38 AM10/1/13
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PLUMBING it is, have updated page

alphacabbage1

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Oct 1, 2013, 8:17:57 AM10/1/13
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Ah, sorry, I've jumped the gun -- my bank allowed an 18 character reference so I went with "basement plumbing".

Incidentally, I'd much rather pay up-front to avoid what might become a hassle. If the pledge comes to nothing (extremely unlikely, I suspect) then it's fine to treat it as a general donation.

Eugene Nadyrshin

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Oct 1, 2013, 11:15:19 AM10/1/13
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May I suggest that you add  '''PAID''' to your name if you've sent the transfer through,
Cheers

William Beaufoy

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Oct 2, 2013, 11:25:17 AM10/2/13
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Ok seems we have enough money, hooray!

We need to buy the pump and pipes, then plan how to do the work.

I was looking for the pump we were discussing (with Paddy D) a few months ago, and found this link, which is cheaper than the £590 I'd put on the pledge. 'Which pump' confirmation would be a good first step.

Paddy Duncan

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Oct 2, 2013, 11:39:51 AM10/2/13
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Yes interesting…. I’ll go back through my notes in a bit, that £590 must have come from somewhere. This was definitely the pump I selected at some stage.

Paddy

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Nigel Worsley

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Oct 2, 2013, 11:48:02 AM10/2/13
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William Beaufoy wrote:
> found this link, which is cheaper than the �590 I'd put on the pledge.

You can get it even cheaper here:
http://www.plumbnation.co.uk/site/sanivite-macerator-small-bore-pumping-system/?gclid=COSbwIC--LkCFRPItAod2CYA9w

It looks like a good choice, can't think of a good reason to buy a better one.

Nigle

Michael Tandy

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Oct 2, 2013, 6:39:07 PM10/2/13
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What's the hack space experience with buying things similar to this in the past - do we see any value in buying a product marketed/warrantied as 'commercial' rather than 'domestic'? Do we do anything anticipating future maintenance or failures, like insisting on a valid warranty with a certain length, or saving money for a replacement?

I'm new to the hack space and I'm sure y'all have more experience with this sort of thing than I do :)

Eugene Nadyrshin

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Oct 4, 2013, 7:35:21 AM10/4/13
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£150/£800 paid so far, come on people, pay up!


On 2 October 2013 23:39, Michael Tandy <michae...@gmail.com> wrote:
What's the hack space experience with buying things similar to this in the past - do we see any value in buying a product marketed/warrantied as 'commercial' rather than 'domestic'? Do we do anything anticipating future maintenance or failures, like insisting on a valid warranty with a certain length, or saving money for a replacement?

I'm new to the hack space and I'm sure y'all have more experience with this sort of thing than I do :)

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Paddy Duncan

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Oct 4, 2013, 11:06:01 AM10/4/13
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I have discovered that on Plumbcentre
http://www.plumbcenter.co.uk/en/plumbing/commercial-plumbing/waste-pumps-mac
erators/saniflo-sanivite-pump-system-each-19579?msg=&expDataType=CatalogEntr
yId&expDataUniqueID=19579
it costs £590
And on Plumbnation
http://www.plumbnation.co.uk/site/sanivite-macerator-small-bore-pumping-syst
em/?gclid=COSbwIC--LkCFRPItAod2CYA9w
it costs £300
Can the Hackspace hivemind confirm that it is the same item? I cannot so far
find a difference...
Cheers
Paddy


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Nigel Worsley

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Oct 4, 2013, 11:34:01 AM10/4/13
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> Can the Hackspace hivemind confirm that it is the same item?

Saniflo only list one version of the Sanivite, so it has to be the same one.

> I cannot so far find a difference...

Except the price, of course. And that �300 includes free delivery, whereas the �590 doesn't - it is another �18!

Nigle

Jim Allanson

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Oct 4, 2013, 11:36:10 AM10/4/13
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They seem to be the same model as far as I can tell (this is the range of Saniflo products - http://www.plumbcenter.co.uk/wcsstore7.00.00.656/ExtendedSitesCatalogAssetStore/images/products/AssetPush/DTP_AssetPushHighRes/std.lang.all/ic/al/Saniflo_DomesticRange_Technical.pdf Sanivite / 1004 seems to just be a specific model).

However, it looks like similar systems with the same specifications can be found for even cheaper - this one on Amazon appears to be the same spec as the Sanivite, and is <£100: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Aquamarin%C2%AE-Macerator-Waste-Pump/dp/B00972O030/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1380900735&sr=8-5&keywords=saniflo

Is there any particular reason we're going for the Sanivite specifically?

William Beaufoy

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Oct 6, 2013, 5:51:19 PM10/6/13
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Biohackers have paid. Total paid is now £575. Is anyone up for taking responsibility for making the final choice about and and purchasing the pump?

Paddy Duncan

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Oct 7, 2013, 6:11:59 AM10/7/13
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I guess I will be…

As the previously specified pump is somewhat cheaper than expected, and some people have some doubts about its ability to deal with etchants (myself included), I will have another final browse around in case there does exist the perfect pump at an affordable price.

Paddy

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William Beaufoy

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Oct 7, 2013, 6:24:49 AM10/7/13
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Thanks, very much appreciated

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Oct 7, 2013, 2:48:06 PM10/7/13
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Setup a payment for 5th of November when there next will be funds
hitting my account.

On 04/10/13 12:35, Eugene Nadyrshin wrote:
> £150/£800 paid so far, come on people, pay up!
>
>
> On 2 October 2013 23:39, Michael Tandy <michae...@gmail.com
> <mailto:michae...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> What's the hack space experience with buying things similar to this
> in the past - do we see any value in buying a product
> marketed/warrantied as 'commercial' rather than 'domestic'? Do we do
> anything anticipating future maintenance or failures, like insisting
> on a valid warranty with a certain length, or saving money for a
> replacement?
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> I'm new to the hack space and I'm sure y'all have more experience
> with this sort of thing than I do :)
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Billy

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Oct 9, 2013, 1:16:08 AM10/9/13
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Paid mine yesterday.

Bank clerk spelt the reference :pluming :))

Spike (Chris Foote)

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Oct 9, 2013, 4:27:10 AM10/9/13
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Oh dear :(

I do hope that the clerk is better with numbers than with words. Or that
this does not get mixed up with the pledge to get more fruit trees for
the yard garden :)

Spike

Paddy Duncan

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Oct 21, 2013, 5:27:18 AM10/21/13
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I have found this as a possible alternative:

http://www.drainage-systems-online.co.uk/acatalog/Basement_Drainage_System.html#.UmTzJRApGlc

I have also emailed them for their advice. Hoping for a quick and helpful reply.

Comment welcome.

Paddy

Jim Allanson

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Oct 21, 2013, 5:31:58 AM10/21/13
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Out of interest, was there a reason the one on Amazon wouldn't be suitable? The link again in case you missed it: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Aquamarin%C2%AE-Macerator-Waste-Pump/dp/B00972O030/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1380900735&sr=8-5&keywords=saniflo

Paddy Duncan

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Oct 21, 2013, 5:40:11 AM10/21/13
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Well the reply beat your comments. They say it would be fine. I did explain the nature of the usage.

Paddy Duncan

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Oct 21, 2013, 5:50:47 AM10/21/13
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Sorry I didn't see this...

Interesting. Of course if we went for something like this we would have to consider it disposable, as it is plainly for domestic use, and does not look serviceable.

Personally I would prefer not to do this job more than once, and to go with something recommended for our actual use.

My guess would be that it would probably work fine, but not for long.

Paddy

Russ Garrett

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Oct 21, 2013, 5:51:53 AM10/21/13
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Yeah, bear in mind that the failure mode for these units isn't
particularly pleasant.
Russ Garrett
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Paddy Duncan

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Oct 23, 2013, 4:48:57 AM10/23/13
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I'm awaiting a reply on whether the inlet of this is low enough for us to use at ground level.

If all good, I shall bother Russ to order it for us.

Last minute objections and comments are accepted while we wait, but last time he replied in 10 minutes...

Cheers

Paddy

 

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Paddy Duncan

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Oct 23, 2013, 12:16:43 PM10/23/13
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OK.

That one requires the inlet to be at least 350mm ish above ground, so servicing 3 sinks etc at a distance would be a problem. It looks like the Sanivite may be our best choice.... oh well.

Adrian Godwin

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Oct 23, 2013, 2:06:03 PM10/23/13
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Aren't the sinks fairly close together? If the sump were midway between them, 350mm doesn't sound so high. We could probably modify the etch tank to exit a bit higher.

Paddy Duncan

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Oct 23, 2013, 4:20:34 PM10/23/13
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Hmm yes I was wondering about moving the sinks up a foot...
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Paddy Duncan

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Oct 24, 2013, 4:45:17 AM10/24/13
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I'll measure today and work out the angles.... looking at the pump, it should be able to work with 200mm ish if the float valve can be slightly restained.

David Sullivan

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On Wednesday, 23 October 2013 09:48:57 UTC+1, PaddyD wrote:

I'm awaiting a reply on whether the inlet of this is low enough for us to use at ground level.

If all good, I shall bother Russ to order it for us.

Last minute objections and comments are accepted while we wait, but last time he replied in 10 minutes...


As it basically a container with a self-contained pump inside add a float/level switch higher up in the container to trigger an alarm by the sinks that feed it.

Sully.

Adrian Godwin

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It doesn't actually matter where the inlet is as long as the pipes are well sealed to above the float switch position. So you could add another inlet at the lowest point.


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Will Beaufoy

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Nov 6, 2013, 6:50:27 PM11/6/13
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Anything we can do to move this forward? Have we decided on a pump? If
so I will buy it if no one else wants to. If we're still deciding what
are we still investigating?
> <mailto:london-hack-space%2Bunsu...@googlegroups.com>.

Tom Hodder

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On 6 November 2013 23:50, Will Beaufoy <william...@gmail.com> wrote:
Anything we can do to move this forward? Have we decided on a pump? If
so I will buy it if no one else wants to. If we're still deciding what
are we still investigating?

I'll be driving up to the space a couple of times this week, so I can go and collect the unit from a supplier in East London, or out in Essex. which might save a few quid for delivery....

Let me know.

Cheers,
Tom


Paddy Duncan

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Nov 7, 2013, 3:56:33 AM11/7/13
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Good timing Will,
Yes I have decided on a pump. The one that is in that bucket (sump)
arrangement. But, as we will have to make our own holes in the side of the
bucket, we may as well make our own sump. Something a bit bigger will allow
us to add a second float switch to reduce the frequency of the pump and add
an overflow alarm. By all means buy the pump Will, and put it somewhere I'll
trip over it daily.
http://www.drainage-systems-online.co.uk/acatalog/Dirty_Water_Sump_Pumps.htm
l#.UntVXeI8omE
Not had a lot of luck finding a suitable sump though. Tough rubberyish
plastic, 500mm deep, 400x600 ish...
Please let me know if anyone knows of anything suitable, or we could
consider building something in place.
Cheers
Paddy

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Adrian Godwin

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Nov 7, 2013, 4:37:40 AM11/7/13
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Would a cold water header tank (loft tank) be suitable ?

Paddy Duncan

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Are they not rather large? I was thinking of something that could hide under a sink (ish)

Tom Hodder

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Nov 7, 2013, 4:45:08 AM11/7/13
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On 7 November 2013 08:56, Paddy Duncan <pad...@padski.co.uk> wrote:
Good timing Will,
Yes I have decided on a pump.
http://www.drainage-systems-online.co.uk/acatalog/Dirty_Water_Sump_Pumps.htm
l#.UntVXeI8omE

Here is a link without the line breaks at inconvenient locations;-)
http://goo.gl/miHbbw

So that is the Zoeller WU70 Grey Water Sump Pump (7.6m lift)  Price:£146.09 (Excluding VAT at 20%)

They also sell the kit, which includes the same pump, the WU70, along with a bucket and 3 year warranty for 295 (Basement Drainage System (90ltr capacity) 600 Series  Price:£295.20 (Excluding VAT at 20%))
http://www.drainage-systems-online.co.uk/acatalog/Basement_Drainage_System.html#a137

I'd be inclined to go for the kit, as it would apparently be delivered pre-assembled by tomorrow...







Paddy Duncan

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Nov 7, 2013, 4:46:37 AM11/7/13
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But as I explained is still unusable without modification.

Adrian Godwin

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Nov 7, 2013, 4:55:52 AM11/7/13
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They come in all sizes (radiator heading tanks usually smaller than hot water headers).

For instance, this one is probably too small :

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/4-Gallon-18-Litres-Cold-Water-Storage-Cistern-Tank-Byelaw-30-/170775253824?pt=UK_DIY_Materials_Plumbing_MJ&hash=item27c2ff9340

Paddy Duncan

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Adrian Godwin

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Paddy Duncan

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For the same items, they are much the same though. I rather like the style of that Screwfix tank, very solid, small lid, vertical sides, and still half the price of the tiny bucket that comes with that other kit....

Adrian Godwin

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Nov 7, 2013, 5:35:38 AM11/7/13
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Fair enough, it is a good shape. Just seems pointless getting it with the fittings, which we can't use.

Will Beaufoy

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Dec 8, 2013, 2:34:12 PM12/8/13
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Sorry I dropped the ball on this, been distracted with other stuff for
the last month.

Do we still have consensus on what pump to buy? If so I will try and
get it before Xmas.

On Thu Nov 7 10:35:38 2013, Adrian Godwin wrote:
> Fair enough, it is a good shape. Just seems pointless getting it with
> the fittings, which we can't use.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 10:33 AM, Paddy Duncan <pad...@padski.co.uk
> <mailto:pad...@padski.co.uk>> wrote:
>
> For the same items, they are much the same though. I rather like
> the style of that Screwfix tank, very solid, small lid, vertical
> sides, and still half the price of the tiny bucket that comes with
> that other kit....____
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> Screwfix isn't cheap ..
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> http://www.onlineplumbingsupplies.com/totalTanks01.asp____
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> On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 10:02 AM, Paddy Duncan <pad...@padski.co.uk
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> Yes I see now, maybe this one: ____
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> http://www.screwfix.com/p/cold-water-tank-25gal-690-x-515-x-520mm/10500____
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> They come in all sizes (radiator heading tanks usually smaller
> than hot water headers).____
>
> For instance, this one is probably too small :
>
> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/4-Gallon-18-Litres-Cold-Water-Storage-Cistern-Tank-Byelaw-30-/170775253824?pt=UK_DIY_Materials_Plumbing_MJ&hash=item27c2ff9340____
>
> ____
>
> On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 9:42 AM, Paddy Duncan <pad...@padski.co.uk
> <mailto:pad...@padski.co.uk>> wrote:____
>
> Are they not rather large? I was thinking of something that could
> hide under a sink (ish)____
>
> ____
>
> *From:*london-h...@googlegroups.com
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> [mailto:london-h...@googlegroups.com
> <mailto:london-h...@googlegroups.com>] *On Behalf Of *Adrian
> Godwin
> *Sent:* 07 November 2013 09:38
> *To:* london-hack-space____
>
>
> *Subject:* Re: [london-hack-space] Re: [PLEDGE] plumbing to the
> basement____
>
> ____
>
> Would a cold water header tank (loft tank) be suitable ?____
>
> ____
>
> On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 8:56 AM, Paddy Duncan <pad...@padski.co.uk
> <mailto:pad...@padski.co.uk>> wrote:____
>
> Good timing Will,
> Yes I have decided on a pump. The one that is in that bucket (sump)
> arrangement. But, as we will have to make our own holes in the
> side of the
> bucket, we may as well make our own sump. Something a bit bigger
> will allow
> us to add a second float switch to reduce the frequency of the
> pump and add
> an overflow alarm. By all means buy the pump Will, and put it
> somewhere I'll
> trip over it daily.
> http://www.drainage-systems-online.co.uk/acatalog/Dirty_Water_Sump_Pumps.htm
> l#.UntVXeI8omE
> Not had a lot of luck finding a suitable sump though. Tough rubberyish
> plastic, 500mm deep, 400x600 ish...
> Please let me know if anyone knows of anything suitable, or we could
> consider building something in place.____
>
> Cheers
> Paddy
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:london-h...@googlegroups.com
> <mailto:london-h...@googlegroups.com>] On Behalf Of Will Beaufoy
> Sent: 06 November 2013 23:50
> To: london-h...@googlegroups.com
> <mailto:london-h...@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: Re: [london-hack-space] Re: [PLEDGE] plumbing to the
> basement____
>
> Anything we can do to move this forward? Have we decided on a
> pump? If so I
> will buy it if no one else wants to. If we're still deciding what
> are we
> still investigating?
>
> On Thu Oct 24 11:11:17 2013, Adrian Godwin wrote:
> > It doesn't actually matter where the inlet is as long as the
> pipes are
> > well sealed to above the float switch position. So you could add
> > another inlet at the lowest point.
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 10:27 AM, David Sullivan
> > <david.c....@gmail.com <mailto:david.c....@gmail.com>
> <mailto:david.c....@gmail.com
> <mailto:david.c....@gmail.com>>> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > On Wednesday, 23 October 2013 09:48:57 UTC+1, PaddyD wrote:
> >
> > I'm awaiting a reply on whether the inlet of this is low
> > enough for us to use at ground level.
> >
> > If all good, I shall bother Russ to order it for us.
> >
> > Last minute objections and comments are accepted while we
> > wait, but last time he replied in 10 minutes...
> >
> >
> > As it basically a container with a self-contained pump
> inside add
> > a float/level switch higher up in the container to trigger an
> > alarm by the sinks that feed it.
> >
> > Sully.
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Dec 8, 2013, 3:05:51 PM12/8/13
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No matter at all, things are proceeding anyway.
We've already bought a sump tank, and most of the pipes and fittings.
The required pump is this (with float switch):
http://www.drainage-systems-online.co.uk/acatalog/Cellar_Drainage_Pumps.html
#.UqTPZOJuT6Q
We should get it asap to work out the connections.
I need to get a handful of other bits and bobs but:
It would be really helpful if we could clear the area, remove the old
flooring, and paint the floor first.

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With recent talk of increasing the minimum membership I am cancelling my
pledge.
I will instead keep the money in a tin as a reserve to cover the extra
if minimum membership is ever increased.
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Dec 12, 2013, 8:15:30 PM12/12/13
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Typically a pledge is a pledge, and once it's completed successfully it's pretty poor form to pull out.
Even if the outcome of the pledge hasn't been completed in a timely fashion.

However, if you genuinely can't commit to the pledge anymore, that you previously committed to (and a pledge is a commitment by the way), then I'm sure others will step up to cover it.

tl;dr a pledge is a commitment, don't be a dick and pull out after a pledge is successfully completed and funded, but if you can't afford it anymore, just say so and I'm sure others will help out.

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Fuck you, patronising cunt.
> >> <mailto:pad...@padski.co.uk <mailto:pad...@padski.co.uk>>> wrote:
> >>
> >> For the same items, they are much the same though. I rather like
> >> the style of that Screwfix tank, very solid, small lid, vertical
> >> sides, and still half the price of the tiny bucket that comes
> with
> >> that other kit....____
> >>
> >> __ __
> >>
> >> *From:*london-h...@googlegroups.com
> <mailto:london-h...@googlegroups.com>
> >> <mailto:london-h...@googlegroups.com
> <mailto:london-h...@googlegroups.com>>
> >> [mailto:london-h...@googlegroups.com
> <mailto:london-h...@googlegroups.com>
> >> <mailto:london-h...@googlegroups.com
> <mailto:london-h...@googlegroups.com>>] *On Behalf Of *Adrian
> >> Godwin
> >> *Sent:* 07 November 2013 10:07
> >>
> >>
> >> *To:* london-hack-space
> >> *Subject:* Re: [london-hack-space] Re: [PLEDGE] plumbing to the
> >> basement____
> >>
> >> __ __
> >>
> >> Screwfix isn't cheap ..
> >>
> >> http://www.onlineplumbingsupplies.com/totalTanks01.asp____
> >>
> >> __ __
> >>
> >> On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 10:02 AM, Paddy Duncan
> <pad...@padski.co.uk <mailto:pad...@padski.co.uk>
> >> <mailto:pad...@padski.co.uk <mailto:pad...@padski.co.uk>>>
> wrote:____
> >>
> >> Yes I see now, maybe this one: ____
> >>
> >>
> >>
> http://www.screwfix.com/p/cold-water-tank-25gal-690-x-515-x-520mm/1050
> >> 0____
> >>
> >> ____
> >>
> >> ____
> >>
> >> *From:*london-h...@googlegroups.com
> <mailto:london-h...@googlegroups.com>
> >> <mailto:london-h...@googlegroups.com
> <mailto:london-h...@googlegroups.com>>
> >> [mailto:london-h...@googlegroups.com
> <mailto:london-h...@googlegroups.com>
> >> <mailto:london-h...@googlegroups.com
> <mailto:london-h...@googlegroups.com>>] *On Behalf Of *Adrian
> >> Godwin
> >> *Sent:* 07 November 2013 09:56____
> >>
> >>
> >> *To:* london-hack-space
> >> *Subject:* Re: [london-hack-space] Re: [PLEDGE] plumbing to the
> >> basement____
> >>
> >> ____
> >>
> >> They come in all sizes (radiator heading tanks usually smaller
> >> than hot water headers).____
> >>
> >> For instance, this one is probably too small :
> >>
> >>
> >>
> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/4-Gallon-18-Litres-Cold-Water-Storage-Cister
> >>
> n-Tank-Byelaw-30-/170775253824?pt=UK_DIY_Materials_Plumbing_MJ&hash=it
> >> em27c2ff9340____
> >>
> >> ____
> >>
> >> On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 9:42 AM, Paddy Duncan
> <pad...@padski.co.uk <mailto:pad...@padski.co.uk>
> >> <mailto:pad...@padski.co.uk <mailto:pad...@padski.co.uk>>>
> wrote:____
> >>
> >> Are they not rather large? I was thinking of something that could
> >> hide under a sink (ish)____
> >>
> >> ____
> >>
> >> *From:*london-h...@googlegroups.com
> <mailto:london-h...@googlegroups.com>
> >> <mailto:london-h...@googlegroups.com
> <mailto:london-h...@googlegroups.com>>
> >> [mailto:london-h...@googlegroups.com
> <mailto:london-h...@googlegroups.com>
> >> <mailto:london-h...@googlegroups.com
> <mailto:london-h...@googlegroups.com>>] *On Behalf Of *Adrian
> >> Godwin
> >> *Sent:* 07 November 2013 09:38
> >> *To:* london-hack-space____
> >>
> >>
> >> *Subject:* Re: [london-hack-space] Re: [PLEDGE] plumbing to the
> >> basement____
> >>
> >> ____
> >>
> >> Would a cold water header tank (loft tank) be suitable ?____
> >>
> >> ____
> >>
> >> On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 8:56 AM, Paddy Duncan
> <pad...@padski.co.uk <mailto:pad...@padski.co.uk>
> >> <mailto:pad...@padski.co.uk <mailto:pad...@padski.co.uk>>>
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