Asbestos-containing Kiln
Russ Garrett
It looks very likely that the kiln could contain asbestos. Unless
there is an easy way to conclusively prove that it does not, we will
have to dispose of it. It's illegal (and violates our insurance) for
us to keep it.
Until we have worked out what to do with it, it should not be used and
it should *definitely* not be opened.
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Russ Garrett
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Sam Cook
Simon Howes
Since this is the position, I'll come up in my car tomorrow and take it away. My friends workshop is big enough to accomodate it and he takes a more practical view on safety.
Nice things, this is why you cant have them.
Sam Cook
Sam Cook
Jonty Wareing
> Since this is the position, I'll come up in my car tomorrow and take it
> away. My friends workshop is big enough to accomodate it and he takes a more
> practical view on safety.
>
> Nice things, this is why you cant have them.
That's somewhat hasty, we're just saying it should be tested so we know
the deal. When you have several hundred people in a space, including
children, it pays to actually be somewhat cautious.
I've emailed the photos to an asbestos tester who I had a nice long
chat with on the phone, he says it's basically fine unless there's an
obvious flaw in the casing. He'll get back to me later today.
--jonty
Mark Steward
> That's somewhat hasty, we're just saying it should be tested so we know
> the deal. When you have several hundred people in a space, including
> children, it pays to actually be somewhat cautious.
>
Agreed. While it would be sensible to avoid using it until we know
what we're dealing with, let's not kiln a mockingbird.
Dirk-Willem van Gulik
There is a duty[3] to manage asbestos _and_ there is regulation when working 'on' asbestos (i.e. disturb, cause exposure, etc) [2] (and usually insurance issues).
But if we assume that the thing works, does not expose, etc, etc - those duties may be quite simple to meet - much akin to similar ones we have around fire exits, etc. However the moment you need to open it; drill holes in it or take it apart - that regulation almost certainly kicks in.
Dw.
1: http://www.hse.gov.uk/asbestos/
2: http://www.hse.gov.uk/asbestos/regulations.htm
3: http://www.hse.gov.uk/asbestos/campaign/duty.htm
Russ Garrett
> But if we assume that the thing works, does not expose, etc, etc - those duties may be quite simple to meet - much akin to similar ones we have around fire exits, etc. However the moment you need to open it; drill holes in it or take it apart - that regulation almost certainly kicks in.
It's already been opened once and someone was talking about replacing
the electronics. Hackerspaces don't take kindly to sealed boxes.
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Russ Garrett
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Mike
>
> That's somewhat hasty, we're just saying it should be tested so we know
> the deal. When you have several hundred people in a space, including
> children, it pays to actually be somewhat cautious.
>
> I've emailed the photos to an asbestos tester who I had a nice long
> chat with on the phone, he says it's basically fine unless there's an
> obvious flaw in the casing. He'll get back to me later today.
>
Similarly, I've just got off the blower to Kilns 'n' Fire who's advise
was that they used to manufacture kilns containing asbestos and they
advise people that they are perfectly safe to continue using, however
they should not interfear with the asbestos sheeting.
Mike.
Mike
>
> It's already been opened once and someone was talking about replacing
> the electronics. Hackerspaces don't take kindly to sealed boxes.
>
Indeed, though I would cautiously posit that a sign reading "do not
hack" should deter would be hackers. Futher a sign reading "danger:
encapsulated asbestos" should hammer the point home to the curious.
Let's check the facts and intelligently mangage risk rather than
carrying out knee-jerk reactions. We're not in government...
Mike.
Russ Garrett
until we've come to a conclusion.
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Russ Garrett
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Simon Howes
The electronics are in a seperate sealed metal box whilst the firebricks are all thats exposed from the inside (i.e. theres no contact to the inside) the outer frame is made from concrete slabs screwed and cemented together. I dont think it can be opened without breaking it. It is my preference that no-one attempts this.
So an electronics change is unlikely to expose anything, but I call dibs on the valve for my steampunk outfit.
Sorry to be hastey but my mate is in the police so he works odd hours, he can only collect it sometime this weekend and i need to tell him relatively soon as it have to be either early tomorrow or sunday.
Mike
> The kneejerk reaction is to just stop people using it/taking it apart
> until we've come to a conclusion.
>
A moratorium on use until we're reasearched our position sounds like a
wise way forward.
Mike.
Russ Garrett
> The electronics are in a seperate sealed metal box whilst the firebricks are
> all thats exposed from the inside (i.e. theres no contact to the inside) the
> outer frame is made from concrete slabs screwed and cemented together. I
> dont think it can be opened without breaking it. It is my preference that
> no-one attempts this.
>
> So an electronics change is unlikely to expose anything, but I call dibs on
> the valve for my steampunk outfit.
>
> Sorry to be hastey but my mate is in the police so he works odd hours, he
> can only collect it sometime this weekend and i need to tell him relatively
> soon as it have to be either early tomorrow or sunday.
Don't worry about it - we won't chuck it away hastily. I'm not too
fussed about storing it, I just wanted people to stop fiddling with
it.
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Russ Garrett
ru...@garrett.co.uk