Death of a Hackspace and looting the corpse.

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Glen

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May 20, 2011, 6:19:25 AM5/20/11
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In Crystal Palace the're a shop front which has a what looks like a
fully furnished Hackspace behind it.

The owner, who was the son of the guy who started it has just died.
I've been told by the lease holder that we can loot the place.

Facilities:
Photographic lab
Radio valve workshop (a museum has already looted a lot of this)
A workshop that made motorbikes.
Two lathes including huge piles of cutting tools for lathes.
a 5" sheet metal cutter
Every size of metal press.
Other metal shaping tools.
A forge (already loaded in my van)
There's also reels of wire and piles of electronics magazines from
the 1950's to the 1980's.

This place is to be bulldozed and turned into landfill in a few weeks.
I'd like help stripping the place of anything useful before then. I'm
sure that it will not all fit into the London Hackspace but there are
other Hackspace that lack lathes and stuff.

Can anyone help me with this?

What stuff should go into our Hackspace?

Tim Storey

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May 20, 2011, 6:21:28 AM5/20/11
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I can...
any evening next week other than wed or thurs
I am also weekend 28-29

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Mark Simpkins

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May 20, 2011, 6:21:51 AM5/20/11
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where in Crystal Palace was this???

On 20 May 2011 11:19, Glen <glen....@gmail.com> wrote:

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Adrian Godwin

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May 20, 2011, 7:08:56 AM5/20/11
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Sounds entirely worthwhile rescuing what we can. I'd particularly want
to look out for :

>
> Facilities:
> Photographic lab
> Radio valve workshop (a museum has already looted a lot of this)

I don't know if anyone's seen the french film opf low-volume valve
manufacture. I think I posted it here or on IRC a week or so ago. With
that in mind, things to look for would be

- spot welder. Also useful for jewelry making and small repair jobs
- anv vacuum equipment, especially a high-vacuum pump and
valve/pipework. Might also be used for working with neon signs.

Neither of these would be large if originally used for valve manufacture.


> A workshop that made motorbikes.
> Two lathes including huge piles of cutting tools for lathes.

Any general-pupose lathe or mill tooling would be good, especially
stocks of high speed steel for cutters, and more specialist things
like threading or gear-cutting cutters. Avoid any accessories that are
specific to the lathes themselves, but morse-taper fittings like
chucks and centres might be found.

> a 5" sheet metal cutter

Sounds very small for a guillotine (which we have already) but that
could be a bar cropper. Possibly useful.

> Every size of metal press.

A small flypress would be good. A broaching press (no inertia
assistance, just a lever like a one-armed bandit) would also be small
and has a lot of uses for rivets, cutting tools, inserting / removing
bearings etc.

> Other metal shaping tools.

Punches and dies, especially in common sizes for squares and round
holes, and awkward shapes like D-connectors are quite hard to find,
expensive, and very compact for storing. If there's anything like that
it's very worthwhile.

> A forge (already loaded in my van)
> There's also reels of wire and piles of electronics magazines from
> the 1950's to the 1980's.

Be wary of wire - if it's old it can be tarnished and hard to solder.

-adrian

Tim Hutt

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May 20, 2011, 7:20:12 AM5/20/11
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On 20 May 2011 11:19, Glen <glen....@gmail.com> wrote:
>   Two lathes including huge piles of cutting tools for lathes.

Cool, could we replace the mini-lathe with one of these?

Alex Pounds

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May 20, 2011, 7:36:56 AM5/20/11
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On Fri, May 20, 2011 at 03:19:25AM -0700, Glen wrote:
> The owner, who was the son of the guy who started it has just died.
> I've been told by the lease holder that we can loot the place.
>
> Facilities:
> Photographic lab

I can come down and loot the photo lab. It'll have to be a weekend,
though, or late one evening – I don't finish work until 7, and I think
it'd take me at least 45 minutes to reach Crystal Palace.

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Tim Storey

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May 20, 2011, 8:51:44 AM5/20/11
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I have street van access for the larger stuff.
I would imagine its going to take a few of us?
How about Monday or Sunday evening ?

Glen

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May 20, 2011, 3:57:29 PM5/20/11
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a 5" sheet metal cutter
should read
a 5' sheet metal cutter
I had a Spinel Tap moment.

The new shop is called Blue door cycles, 5-7 Central hill, SE19 1BG

We have access to two vans, the Hackvan and my VW. If someone in south
east london has some storage space that would be useful.

Glen

Sci

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May 20, 2011, 4:30:26 PM5/20/11
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What a find! I wish I could help!
Take photos! It'd go well in the Hackspace Scrapbook to show where
things have come from, what has passed into memory, what we give new
life to.

~ Sci

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Nigel Worsley

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May 20, 2011, 4:49:50 PM5/20/11
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> Take photos! It'd go well in the Hackspace Scrapbook to show where
> things have come from, what has passed into memory, what we give new
> life to.

I believe this is the shop in question: http://goo.gl/maps/haLK

That place looks as if it has been stuck in a time warp! There was a cycle shop like that in Ealing but it closed
about 20 years ago and I very much doubt that it ever had a lathe.

Nigle

Peter Hicks

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May 20, 2011, 5:46:37 PM5/20/11
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On 20 May 2011, at 21:49, Nigel Worsley wrote:

> I believe this is the shop in question: http://goo.gl/maps/haLK


"Auto Sores" :)


Peter


Steff

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May 20, 2011, 6:07:28 PM5/20/11
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Much more detail here: http://www.centralcycle.co.uk/

I note the gasfluxer here:
http://www.centralcycle.co.uk/index.php?p=1_8_Other-Things which would
come in jolly handy if anyone wants to do really, really nice brazing.

S

Steff

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May 20, 2011, 6:06:58 PM5/20/11
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On 20 May 2011 21:49, Nigel Worsley <nig...@googlemail.com> wrote:

Much more detail here: http://www.centralcycle.co.uk/

Sci

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May 20, 2011, 7:32:02 PM5/20/11
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I'm staring at the Myford lathe and that beefy looking little
steel-rolling rig! Also the metal shears and that brazing hearth with
bellows!

Do we get the Morris Minor too? They never die. Some TLC it says? Pump
the tires, fresh battery & some petrol, I bet it'd run on first crank.
Mine lived in a field for 3yrs & had a rusted-out floor, and it started
first time (after the new fuel pump).

Are any of the parts & materials being salvaged too?

~ Sci


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Billy

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May 20, 2011, 7:43:03 PM5/20/11
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In any situation like this, say yes!

We can sort out what's needed afterwards.

If it's needed, i have a garage where we can store some of it.

I also know of some other people who would be interested in the tools.
Pete Tamber organises a charity shipping tools to developing
countries, East London Inventors Club is setting up a workshop, and
i'm setting up a housing co-op with some people from New Cross, and we
could use them too.

I'm helping with Young Hackspace this Sunday afternoon, but apart from
that i'm free at any time to help move stuff.

Let me know when i'm needed and i'll be there.


On May 20, 11:06 pm, Steff <st...@steff.name> wrote:
> On 20 May 2011 21:49, Nigel Worsley <nig...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>
> >> Take photos! It'd go well in the Hackspace Scrapbook to show where
> >> things have come from, what has passed into memory, what we give new
> >> life to.
>
> > I believe this is the shop in question:http://goo.gl/maps/haLK
>
> > That place looks as if it has been stuck in a time warp! There was a cycle
> > shop like that in Ealing but it closed
> > about 20 years ago and I very much doubt that it ever had a lathe.
>
> Much more detail here:http://www.centralcycle.co.uk/
>
> I note the gasfluxer here:http://www.centralcycle.co.uk/index.php?p=1_8_Other-Thingswhich would

Glen

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May 21, 2011, 12:17:28 AM5/21/11
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The shop will be open from 7am. 5-7 Central hill, SE19 1BG It's near
Crystal palace bus depot, Gipsy hill station & Crystal palace station.

Ove Ridé

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May 21, 2011, 3:13:21 AM5/21/11
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On 20 May 2011 12:19, Glen <glen....@gmail.com> wrote:
>   a 5" sheet metal cutter
>   Every size of metal press.
>   Other metal shaping tools.

Never say no to metal tools! Besides metal, it'll surely be useful for
cutting PCBs, and maybe other creative uses too.

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Glen

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May 21, 2011, 4:39:37 AM5/21/11
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s/5"/5'

On May 21, 8:13 am, Ove Ridé <nitro2...@gmail.com> wrote:

Ove Ridé

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May 21, 2011, 4:51:01 AM5/21/11
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Of course. I did think 5" sounded very small. :)

Billy

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May 21, 2011, 6:39:16 AM5/21/11
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On May 21, 5:17 am, Glen <glen.sea...@gmail.com> wrote:
> The shop will be open from 7am.  5-7 Central hill, SE19 1BG It's near
> Crystal palace bus depot, Gipsy hill station & Crystal palace station.

That tells us when it's open, but not when you'll need people to move
things.

Glen

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May 21, 2011, 6:44:09 AM5/21/11
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You can move thing when it's open. Make a pile in the covered yard
where the vans can pick it up.

Sci

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May 22, 2011, 8:20:23 PM5/22/11
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Good luck to those doing the looting tomorrow!

Some last-minute scavengers suggestions!
* Grab the big stuff first. High-ticket items like the lathe, forge,
gasifier, guillotine, rolling-former.
* Grab the valves. Even if we don't use them, resale on New-Old-Stock
valves is VERY HIGH. Assume each one you find is worth a fiver.
* Don't bother sorting through the many drawers, just grab and stack
them full. They can be sorted later.
* It sounds like there's a staging area of sorts around the back. Try
and get the stuff set aside out of any builders way.
* A scavenger can never assume something will still be there if they
come back later. Make a pile, then load it into vehicles for maximum
efficiency of loading and the most load per vehicle-full. Someone may
have "tidied" the remainder of the pile off into a skip by the time you
get back.

I would suggest a search-prioritisation of:
1) Tools; any and all.
2) Parts; accessories and componants (likely to be parts for tools, or
collectables of value), bike gears, chain.
3) Raw materials; sheets, bar-stock, nuts & bolts.
4) Memorabilia; (lowest priority) remains of existing projects, signage,
etc. Items of very selective interest.

So once again, good luck, we're all counting on you. o_o

~ Sci

PS: If you see any old chainrings sitting around there, I could use a
few large ones!!


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Mike Harrison

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May 22, 2011, 8:28:22 PM5/22/11
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>* Grab the valves. Even if we don't use them, resale on New-Old-Stock
>valves is VERY HIGH. Assume each one you find is worth a fiver.

That's only true for types still used in guitar & audio amps (e.g. EL84, ECC83/12AX7) , and really
old pre-war types. Bog-standard radio & TV valves of the sort you'd find in an old TV repair shop
are near worthless, even new in box.
Pretty much anything used is of low to zero value unless a very unusual type.

tom

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May 23, 2011, 5:04:07 AM5/23/11
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NO NO!! get them anyway, i'd like a few for steampunk costumery :)

Tim Storey

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May 23, 2011, 5:44:28 AM5/23/11
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So who is actually going down there and when, I can come after work but  will it still be open ?

Alex Pounds

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May 23, 2011, 7:23:22 AM5/23/11
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On Fri, May 20, 2011 at 09:17:28PM -0700, Glen wrote:
> The shop will be open from 7am. 5-7 Central hill, SE19 1BG It's near
> Crystal palace bus depot, Gipsy hill station & Crystal palace station.

Sorry, I'm clearly a bit of an idiot: which days? And what time does it
shut?

Sci

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On 23/05/2011 12:23, Alex Pounds wrote:
> On Fri, May 20, 2011 at 09:17:28PM -0700, Glen wrote:
>> The shop will be open from 7am. 5-7 Central hill, SE19 1BG It's near
>> Crystal palace bus depot, Gipsy hill station & Crystal palace station.
>
> Sorry, I'm clearly a bit of an idiot: which days? And what time does it
> shut?
>

I got the impression it was happening today, as early as possible.
Though looking back I can't see any mention of Monday, or any other day.

I hope this hasn't just turned into a wasted opportunity due to lack of
organisation. :/

~ Sci


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Sam Cook

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May 23, 2011, 10:45:09 AM5/23/11
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Glen2 and someone who's name eludes me did a run yesterday. 

They brought back a beautiful lathe, and about 40Kg of tools, mainly reamers, lathe tools, drills and mill bits. 

They also managed to snag us some thin steel stock as well as several lengths of carbide(?) if people want a go at making their own lathe bits. 

Phil and I went through (most) of the stuff last night doing triage. It all needs a good oiling and sorting. Some of the stuff is a lot larger than we'll ever need (thing 40mm metal drill & mill bits) but there is some very nice stuff. The best stuff we found was in the green 2 draw box below the new lathe. The wooden box beside the 3-in-1 contains the other stuff; there is still good gear in there and I recommend that those of a machining nature have a look and a clean. 

We've also started cleaning the lathe, the saddle and bed have been oiled and roughly tightened. The gears and motor need cleaning and testing but it looks very good. 

There is also a wooden engineer's box of bits with a draw of awesome switches. This comes with a warning: it is unsorted and may contain sharps! 

I think glen said he has the forge and some other stuff already loaded up but hasn't brought it to the space yet...

S

Glen

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May 23, 2011, 2:38:52 PM5/23/11
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Can people come to the shop Saturday at 11am to finish the looting?
There's free parking for people who bring their car. Another wheel
barrow would be useful.

Glen

Sci

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Ah, it's looting on weekends only? A case of getting in workmens way
otherwise?

~ Sci


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Sci

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On 23/05/2011 15:45, Sam Cook wrote:
> Glen2 and someone who's name eludes me did a run yesterday.
>
> They brought back a beautiful lathe, and about 40Kg of tools, mainly
> reamers, lathe tools, drills and mill bits.
>
> They also managed to snag us some thin steel stock as well as several
> lengths of carbide(?) if people want a go at making their own lathe bits.

Oooh~ Do we have an tool-sharpening/angle-mount jig for the grinder? If
not, making one could be a useful project for someone.

> Phil and I went through (most) of the stuff last night doing triage. It
> all needs a good oiling and sorting. Some of the stuff is a lot larger
> than we'll ever need (thing 40mm metal drill & mill bits)

You have no ambition. ;)

but there is
> some very nice stuff. The best stuff we found was in the green 2 draw
> box below the new lathe. The wooden box beside the 3-in-1 contains the
> other stuff; there is still good gear in there and I recommend that
> those of a machining nature have a look and a clean.
>
> We've also started cleaning the lathe, the saddle and bed have been
> oiled and roughly tightened. The gears and motor need cleaning and
> testing but it looks very good.

How do the bearings seem?

> There is also a wooden engineer's box of bits with a draw of awesome
> switches. This comes with a warning: it is unsorted and may contain sharps!
>
> I think glen said he has the forge and some other stuff already loaded
> up but hasn't brought it to the space yet...

We should probably all keep an eye out for air ducting. The number of
items in the space that should really have active extraction is increasing.

~ Sci
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Alex Pounds

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May 24, 2011, 1:14:18 PM5/24/11
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I'm not available this weekend at all, but I might be available one
evening this week. (Or next).

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