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I think the idea is to swap them, so that e.g. the ma'oste meaning of {ki} is obtained by using {ke'a}.
mi'e la latro'a mu'o
It has been a dialect colloquially referred to as ce ki tau jau for a while now.
>Just letting you know that BPFK has finally decided to switch some cmavo around. {ce'u} becomes {ce}, {ke'a} becomes {ki}, {tu'a} becomes {tau},
The words that are now shorter are used much more than those that are now longer.
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>The words that are now shorter are used much more than those that are now longer.
So some folks have already been speaking ce ki tau jau. Other than that I can't really say.
>The words that are now shorter are used much more than those that are now longer.
Why wasn't this always the case? Why change it now?
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So some folks have already been speaking ce ki tau jau. Other than that I can't really say.
Nothing new has been approved by the BPFK.
(On the matter of online Lojban communities, the List is the only one I belong to, but surely it is true that the centres of activity must have moved elsewhere.)
>Many people only ever speak up when they have something to complain about (usually whenever something appears to be changing).
A young couple adopt a German baby. Throughout his childhood the little boy is perfectly normal, except for the fact he never speaks a single word. Being the caring parents they are, they have him tested by every expert in every possible way to find out what is wrong with him but nothing ever comes up. One day, however, shortly after the boy’s 5th birthday, after lunch he suddenly asserts: “This strudel is tepid.”
His parents are completely puzzled yet amazed: “Heinrich! What’s been wrong? How come you talk all of a sudden? Why haven’t you spoken before?”
The boy turns to his parents and replies imperturbably : “Until now, everything has been satisfactory.”
doi la .guskant. .i BPFK pu jdice no da .i mi pu xamsku sa'e nai .i cipra fi lo mriste jbopre fe lo ka xu kau ce'u za'o su'o va'e lo ka jundi
I just need access to a server to install these things, if approved. I've even offered to pay for server space, if necessary and reasonable.
most people seem to simply ignore everything that happens.
Many people only ever speak up when they have something to complain about (usually whenever something appears to be changing). Why do none of those people ever participate in anything constructive? Why has everyone been ignoring la uakci's many attempts at getting the community to participate in things like his interactive story or the weekly poems?
(Solving this problem seems non-trivial. I've considered doing some software development to create a better workflow for, say, posting a blog in the language you're learning and easily allowing others to comment/correct specific parts, but in order to be valuable you need the community of fluent speakers to dedicate time to making corrections/comments reliably, and I'm not sure if Lojban has the critical mass to make it worth developing.)
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For developing the static website proposal, that's fine to do for free.
For trialling the Phabricator project management software, we'll need hosting :)
I just need access to a server to install these things, if approved. I've even offered to pay for server space, if necessary and reasonable.
In martial arts, sometimes beginners use a sparring dummy before practising with real persons. Lojban, being a language suitable for human-computer interaction, could have a dumb chatbot for
"sparring" practice before talking with real persons. I did a really basic mockup here to show the concept https://jsfiddle.net/gxextk82/10/ Once a user has exhausted
its repertoire of phrases, the bot could recommended the user should connect with the community now that they feel a bit more confident.
Anyone, let me know if you want to collaborate on such a project.
> I've considered doing some software development to create a better workflow for, say, posting a blog in the language you're learning and easily allowing others to comment/correct specific parts
Such software exists already (e.g. Phabricator, or GitHub, or any normal code review software).
la suzanys and I are hoping to push for a Phabricator platform that will help facilitate this and other Lojbanic projects :) We might be able to all collaborate on a publication together.
I have always been of the opinion that this change is nearly a waste of effort, even just ignoring the loss of back-compatibility, since it actually fixes nothing that is actually broken or glitchy in the language (we could focus on other issues or further development), but okay. I am not strongly opposed, just annoyed.
coi
.i.ui mi mutce ckire do
Thanks very much indeed!
I am going to create an account there, "timoteios", if that's okay. We would like to see if we can use it for hosting a Lojban website proposal and perhaps other projects.
Let us know at any time if we are overstaying our welcome!
ki'e cai do.
i mi'e la timoteios.
I did a really basic mockup here to show the concept https://jsfiddle.net/gxextk82/10/
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Is there already a page on the Lojban wiki about a Lojban training chatbot? If not, I can start one. It doesn't have to be an IRC bot, so I wouldn't reuse that page. This chatbot could be one just embedded in a public webpage, in my mind, that a learner can use before they commit to IRC etc. (there is a high learning curve with IRC for many).
A semi-intelligent Eliza-style chatbot would be good as a first-step for learners, in my opinion, to teach the learner all the high-priority conversation and "emergency" words.
Something like SHRDLU sounds like it could become a great game/toy for learning the space/tense system especially :)
That might be more of a second step for the learner after the Eliza-style one, I am thinking.
* Friday, 2016-09-16 at 11:20 +0200 - Remo Dentato <rden...@gmail.com>:
On Fri, Sep 16, 2016 at 6:18 AM, Timothy Lawrence <timothy....@connect.qut.edu.au> wrote:
I did a really basic mockup here to show the concept https://jsfiddle.net/gxextk82/10/
> The idea of a lojban chatbot is great. I believe it has been attempted
> previously but I don't know if anything came out.
>
> Even something at the level of the old "Eliza" would be good (and something
> closer to Siri or Cortana would be a dream :) ).