definitions: bridi and sumti

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jongausib

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Dec 31, 2012, 5:02:14 AM12/31/12
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coi,

what's the difference, if any, between

{lo sumti} and {lo terbri},

and

{lo selsu'i} and {lo selbri}

?

I would appreciate a good answer about this matter.

a'o ki'emu'omi'e jongausib

.arpis.

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Dec 31, 2012, 11:20:52 AM12/31/12
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The difference is in focus and in relation; {lo sumti} refers to a sumti in any context, but {lo terbri} refers to the sumti of a particular bridi.



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Jacob Errington

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Dec 31, 2012, 11:57:55 AM12/31/12
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Equally, the terbri is a list of sumti, as they fill the selbri to produce the bridi. Using the functional definition of bridi,
bridi = x1 (du'u) is a predication with relationship type x2 (ka) produced from sumti x3
You can think of it like this: take the selbri with its ce'u-place "holes" and fill them in order with sumti from the list in the x3. The result is the bridi1, namely a du'u.

e.g. {.i lo du'u mi klama lo zarci cu bridi lo ka ce'u klama ce'u ce'u ce'u ce'u kei mi ce'o lo zarci}
(In practice, ce'u-places can be left out because they're implicit.)

I used the non-logical connective {ce'o} for the terbri, but this can cause problems when the selbri expects a list, which can be produced from {ce'o}. For that purpose, there's an experimental cmavo, {ce'oi}, that exists just for these "argument lists".

As for the actualy difference between {sumti} and {bridi}, sumti1 is a single exact sumti that fills the sumti3-th place of sumti2, whereas bridi3 is a list of sumti that when applied to the function in bridi2 yields the predication bridi1.

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