roroi

[djandus]

So, a morphology question: why does pavroi use pa's rafsi but roroi doesn't use ro's? I would have thought that any PA word would follow the same rules...

ki'u ma zo roroi na pilno lo rafsi be zo ro .i zo pavroi pilno lo rafsi be zo pa .i mi jinvi lo du'u ro cmavo be ma'oi pa. cu se pilno ta'i pa tadji .i

mu'o mi'e djos

[Jonathan Jones]

Because pavroi is a lujvo, but roroi is a cmavo cluster.

Also, pavroi and paroi are equivalent in meaning.

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[Jonathan Jones]

Sorry, I meant to say aren't. PAroi, for any PA, is a tense marker.

PAVroi, for any PA rafsi, is a lujvo meaning "x1 happens PA times in interval x2".

[Ian Johnson]

Also, {zo roroi} is actually {zo ro roi}, which isn't even grammatical.

mu'o mi'e latros

[djandus]

mi jimpe

ki'e

mu'o mi'e djandus

[djandus]

Would {rolroi} have a useful meaning?

Something like "x₁ happens always/continuously over interval x₂"? (I can imagine something like that being useful for mathematics, at the very least.)

And that's distinct from "x₁ happens repeatedly over interval x₂", right? Is there a good way to say that? (rapli but over interval?)

(I seem to remember reading about this stuff somewhere, but I don't have it straight in my head anymore...)

[Jorge Llambías]

On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 3:42 PM, djandus <jan...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Would {rolroi} have a useful meaning?
> Something like "x₁ happens always/continuously over interval x₂"?

"continuously" would be "ranji", and it corresponds to "ru'i" rather
than to "ro roi".

"ro roi" is more like "every (relevant) time".

For example:

mi fliba lo nu darxi kei ro roi lo prulamdei .i ku'i go'i re po'o roi lo cabdei
"I missed the target every time yesterday, but only two times today."

> And that's distinct from "x₁ happens repeatedly over interval x₂", right? Is
> there a good way to say that? (rapli but over interval?)

"sosroi"?

mu'o mi'e xorxes

[djandus]

Okay, that makes a lot more sense now.

Regarding "sosroi", my emphasis was supposed to be on the "interval", not the "happens repeatedly" -- I meant, what's the easiest way to express the interval of time over which the repeats take place? Is there a way with cmavo and such, or does it require some brivla?

[Jonathan Jones]

Usually when you want something other than the x1 to have the emphasis, you use one of SE.

For example, to emphasize the means of travel, you would use {xelkla} = {xe klama}.

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[djandus]

>< I meant emphasis in my English question, not my lojban statements...

A quote or two should resolve confusion. Here was my question a few emails back:

And that's distinct from "x₁ happens repeatedly over interval x₂", right? Is there a good way to say that? (rapli but over interval?) 

I was meaning to ask about how to present a time interval for a tense structure, since I now understand how to say something happened however many times. (Thus, my question was meant to have emphasis on how to say the "over interval" part, but I didn't actually express it.) Then xorxes provided something useful for the "happens repeatedly" part: 

"sosroi"?

which is why I went on the bit about emphasis.