Question: origins of "spitaki"

[Cyril Slobin]

coi rodo

> The language in which "this parrot is dead" is "ti poi spitaki cu morsi", but "this sentence is false" is "na nei".

Can anyone explain me the etymology of "spitaki"? From which language
is it borrowed? Not obvious for me, sorry.

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[selpa'i]

Am 20.07.2012 17:13, schrieb Cyril Slobin:

Can anyone explain me the etymology of "spitaki"? From which language is it borrowed? Not obvious for me, sorry.

Parrots are from the order of Psittaciformes. Using part before -formes, we are left with "psittaci". To turn this into a stage-4 fu'ivla, we can't use *{psitaki}, because {ps} is not valid. Therefore, we switch ps to sp and get {spitaki} = parrot.

mu'o mi'e la selpa'i

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.i pau mi me ma .i pa mai ko mi jungau la'e di'u 
.i ba bo mi va'o lo nu nelci lo nu me ma kau cu barkla 
.i va'o lo nu na nelci cu denpa ti lo nu mi drata

[Cyril Slobin]

On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 7:20 PM, selpa'i <sel...@gmx.de> wrote:

> Parrots are from the order of Psittaciformes. Using part before -formes, we
> are left with "psittaci". To turn this into a stage-4 fu'ivla, we can't use
> *{psitaki}, because {ps} is not valid. Therefore, we switch ps to sp and get
> {spitaki} = parrot.

ki'e cai!

[Remo Dentato]

I would have not guessed it because in "Psittaciformes" the "ci" doesn't sound like {ki} but more like {tci}.

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[iesk]

On Friday, July 20, 2012 6:32:44 PM UTC+2, remod wrote:

[...] in "Psittaciformes" the "ci" doesn't sound like {ki} but more like {tci}.

That depends on one's local tradition of pronouncing Latin and hence latinesque Linnaean names. I believe there was a recommendation to render Latin <c> as Latin-mode-Lojban <c> (so, /S/) when converting Linnaeans, but I couldn't find the relevant text. Perhaps it was a TLI Loglan convention, not Lojban; I'm not entirely sure. Cf. also http://dag.github.com/cll/4/8/ (for me'evla).

iesk

[selpa'i]

Am 20.07.2012 18:32, schrieb Remo Dentato:
> I would have not guessed it because in "Psittaciformes" the "ci"
> doesn't sound like {ki} but more like {tci}.

Only in the new Italian/Church Latin pronunciation. "ci" is {ki} in
classical latin. Plus, the word comes from the Ancient Greek word
ψιττακός (psittakos).

[Efrain Caro]

On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 11:35 AM, Cyril Slobin <cy...@slobin.pp.ru> wrote:
> On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 7:20 PM, selpa'i <sel...@gmx.de> wrote:
>
>> Parrots are from the order of Psittaciformes. Using part before -formes, we
>> are left with "psittaci". To turn this into a stage-4 fu'ivla, we can't use
>> *{psitaki}, because {ps} is not valid. Therefore, we switch ps to sp and get
>> {spitaki} = parrot.
>
> ki'e cai!

Are you really that overwhelmed with gratitude feelings?

[rden...@gmail.com]

Il giorno , selpa'i <sel...@gmx.de> ha scritto:

> I would have not guessed it because in "Psittaciformes" the "ci" doesn't sound like {ki} but more like {tci}.
>> Only in the new Italian/Church Latin pronunciation. "ci" is {ki} in classical latin. Plus, the word comes from the Ancient Greek word ψιττακός (psittakos).

It might be but, as Italian, I think that using {ki} for latin "ci" is, at least, confusing,

remod

[Cyril Slobin]

On Sat, Jul 21, 2012 at 4:40 PM, Efrain Caro <bets...@gmail.com> wrote:

>> ki'e cai!
> Are you really that overwhelmed with gratitude feelings?

mi troci po'o lenu mi clite .iku'i mi ckire je'u

[ianek]

This convention can be seen in gismu for metric system prefixes:
xecto, centi, decti, picti, gocti. On the other hand, deca- is dekto
(possibly because otherwise long rafsi would clash with decti). ta'o,
for national reasons I especially like xecto with rafsi cto, which is
very similar to the Polish word "sto" ('one hundred') (it's similar in
most or all other slavic languages, like Russian or Czech).

mu'o mi'e ianek

>
> iesk