One of the experiments about lojban and some failure of Languages

[la ki'es,di'es]

coi

 

Today where I was learning of branch of philosophy called occult numbers and sacred geometry book, I faced failure of English and Arabic to convert my name to number, because you must write your name without abnormality, where spelling for our names even native speakers is not correct, then I arranged lojban letters under the numbers in chart, where I can spelling my name standardly, and obtained to correct result, but I had problem in lojban alphabet, where the letter ' order?, where I put it in the last after z and all vowels in the first.

 

In fact me be as Muslim beleive in everythings but the important see the good of it not the bad, our values availble in Science but the our reality is not legal and the right and left is suspicious and masked...

 

co'o

 

 

[Jonathan Jones]

In the booklet "What is Lojban?", the letterals are listed in this order:

' , . a b c d e f g i j k l m n o p r s t u v x y z

ref.: http://lojban.org/publications/level0/brochure/overview.html

 

 

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mu'o mi'e .aionys.

.i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o
(Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D )

[selpa'i]

.i la Jonathan Jones cu cusku di'e

> In the booklet "What is Lojban?", the letterals are listed in this order:
>
> ' , . a b c d e f g i j k l m n o p r s t u v x y z

I assume a child would learn the lojban alphabet in a different order.
Presumably, the "punctuation" characters would come last, similarly to
how e.g. the three special vowels in Swedish come last in the alphabet
(å, ä, ö). I think it'd be a little odd if a child were to go ".y'y .i
denpa bu .i .abu .i .ebu .i li'o..." :)
So perhaps there could be another "educational" order, which would then
also be used in the alphabet song (c'mon, every language needs an
alphabet song!).

mu'o mi'e la selpa'i

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doị mèlbi mlenì'u
.i do càtlu ki'u
ma fe la xàmpre ŭu
.i do tìnsa càrmi
gi je sìrji se tàrmi
.i taị bo da'i pu cìtka lo gràna ku


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[Pierre Abbat]

On Wednesday, November 28, 2012 15:03:40 Jonathan Jones wrote:
> In the booklet "What is Lojban?", the letterals are listed in this order:
>
> ' , . a b c d e f g i j k l m n o p r s t u v x y z

I think that denpa bu and slaka bu should not be letters of the alphabet.
Denpa bu occurs only at the beginning or end of a word; slaka bu is ignored
when determining if two words are the same. Y'y, on the other hand, has a
sound, occurs within words, and makes a difference to what word something is.

Pierre
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sei do'anai mi'a djuno puze'e noroi nalselganse srera

[iesk]

(irrelevant remark following, ignore at will)

I don't understand in what respect those would be considered special. Maybe 'é' (not in the alphabet) and 'w' (only recently added) are special.

römtömtömtöm

[Jonathan Jones]

On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 9:01 AM, iesk <pa....@gmx.de> wrote:

(irrelevant remark following, ignore at will)

I don't understand in what respect those would be considered special. Maybe 'é' (not in the alphabet) and 'w' (only recently added) are special.

I just assumed he called them special because they are in the English alphabet.
 

römtömtömtöm

Le mercredi 28 novembre 2012 23:10:45 UTC+1, selpa'i a écrit :

similarly to  
how e.g. the three special vowels in Swedish come last in the alphabet
(å, ä, ö).  

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[la ki'es-di'es]

coi

 

Thanks for your opinions.

 

As pierre said some special symbols are not letters such as stop sign . and so on...

 

And the y'y in fact not symbol but letter, so there is doubt about the correct order of it in alphabet.

 

May there is diffrent alphabet and the all is true as selpa'i  said.

 

But should that be one standared alphabet as aionys said.

 

But I stand initialy on based the vocabulary in this page

 

http://jbotcan.org/docs/l4b/lessvocab.html

 

is arranged such as that but the problem what is the sure position of y'y within the alphabet.

 

Thanks

mu''ymmyd-nurr byrruk

[Jonathan Jones]

I never said there was a standard.

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[la ki'es-di'es]

Yes, but I think the aionys alphabet suggestion is the standard version,an intuition be one of the ways of knowledge in psychology.

[Jonathan Jones]

On Tue, Dec 4, 2012 at 5:25 AM, la ki'es-di'es <buro...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

Yes, but I think the aionys alphabet suggestion is the standard version,an intuition be one of the ways of knowledge in psychology.

It wasn't a suggestion. It's just the order in which I found it in the only Lojban publication in which I found the Lojban alphabet listed together.

[Michael Turniansky]

On Tue, Dec 4, 2012 at 7:56 AM, Jonathan Jones <eye...@gmail.com> wrote:

On Tue, Dec 4, 2012 at 5:25 AM, la ki'es-di'es <buro...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

Yes, but I think the aionys alphabet suggestion is the standard version,an intuition be one of the ways of knowledge in psychology.

It wasn't a suggestion. It's just the order in which I found it in the only Lojban publication in which I found the Lojban alphabet listed together.

  As it says in Chapter 3 section 1 of the CLL, "The alphabetic order given above is that of the ASCII coded character set, widely used in computers. By making Lojban alphabetical order the same as ASCII, computerized sorting and searching of Lojban text is facilitated."
 

   To the extent that the CLL is official, this is THE official alphabetic order.

    --gejyspa