the day after tomorrow and the day before yesterday

[Andrew Dibble]

Is there a simple Lojban word for these phrases?

[Jacob Errington]

Well, considering {bavlamdei = d1=b1=l1 is tomorrow; d1=b1=l1 is the day following b2=l2, day standard d3,}

{lo bavlamdei be lo bavlamdei (be lo cabdei)} does it, but that's long.

You could say {lo bavlamdei bavlamdei} but that's almost as long.

I personally have used the PA rafsi to pull this off: {lo relbavlamdei} or {lo bavrelylamdei}; however, I don't know if this is acceptable.

On 26 May 2012 15:54, Andrew Dibble <acdi...@gmail.com> wrote:

Is there a simple Lojban word for these phrases?

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[Alex Rozenshteyn]

Is there something wrong with {bavbavlamdei} and {pruprulamdei}?

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[Jonathan Jones]

Yes. "bavlamdei" is "future-adjacent-day". "bavbavlamdei" is therefore "future-future-adjacent-day". "bavlamlamdei" would be better, but it has issues of its own.

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(Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D )

[Jacob Errington]

Yes, there is. The gismu deep structure is wrong:

lo ka bavbavlamdei cu ka ce'u djedi gi'e lamji ce'u noi balvi *lo balvi be ce'u*

where the added on "lo balvi" is the result of tacking on the extra -bav-.

So "a day that is adjacent to an event that is in the future of the future of an event" i.e. BAD.

In fact, the GDS for bavlamdei is really messy:

lo ka bavlamdei cu ka ce'u djedi gi'e lamji ce'u noi balvi ce'u

You might as well just use {ba za re lo djedi}

My ramblings:

{lo se detri be li za'u} is an interesting solution, where the number of "tomorrows" can be indicated after the za'u:

{lo se detri be li za'ure} -> "the day after tomorrow" and {lo se detri be li za'uci} "the day after that".

If {za'u} had a lujvo, which is sadly does not, I'd propose: {za'u zei seldetri} = x1 is the event occurring on date x2 days after x3 at location x4 by caldendar x5.

Unfortunately {za'u zei seldetri} suffers from karcykla syndrome: is it days, months, weeks, years? *shrug* we can't know. Even with {lo se detri be li za'u} we can't really know to what the za'u is adding.

[Oleksii Melnyk]

I like «de'i li su'i re/de'i li vu'u re»
That's also give us easy «this day N weeks/month/whatewer earlier/later», by adding a few «pi'e»s.

On 26 May 2012 22:54, Andrew Dibble <acdi...@gmail.com> wrote:

Is there a simple Lojban word for these phrases?

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[la gleki]

On May 29, 7:43 am, Jacob Errington <nicty...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Yes, there is. The gismu deep structure is wrong:
> lo ka bavbavlamdei cu ka ce'u djedi gi'e lamji ce'u noi balvi *lo balvi be
> ce'u*
> where the added on "lo balvi" is the result of tacking on the extra -bav-.
> So "a day that is adjacent to an event that is in the future of the future
> of an event" i.e. BAD.
>
> In fact, the GDS for bavlamdei is really messy:
> lo ka bavlamdei cu ka ce'u djedi gi'e lamji ce'u noi balvi ce'u
>
> You might as well just use {ba za re lo djedi}
>
> My ramblings:
> {lo se detri be li za'u} is an interesting solution, where the number of
> "tomorrows" can be indicated after the za'u:
> {lo se detri be li za'ure} -> "the day after tomorrow" and {lo se detri be
> li za'uci} "the day after that".
> If {za'u} had a lujvo, which is sadly does not, I'd propose: {za'u zei
> seldetri} = x1 is the event occurring on date x2 days after x3 at location
> x4 by caldendar x5.
> Unfortunately {za'u zei seldetri} suffers from karcykla syndrome: is it
> days, months, weeks, years? *shrug* we can't know

Shouldn't we add {pi'e} to point to week/month/year?

> Even with {lo se detri
> be li za'u} we can't really know to what the za'u is adding.
>

> On 28 May 2012 22:50, Alex Rozenshteyn <rpglove...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > Is there something wrong with {bavbavlamdei} and {pruprulamdei}?
>

> > On Mon, May 28, 2012 at 8:40 PM, Jacob Errington <nicty...@gmail.com>

> > wrote:
> > > Well, considering {bavlamdei = d1=b1=l1 is tomorrow; d1=b1=l1 is the day
> > > following b2=l2, day standard d3,}
> > > {lo bavlamdei be lo bavlamdei (be lo cabdei)} does it, but that's long.
> > > You could say {lo bavlamdei bavlamdei} but that's almost as long.
> > > I personally have used the PA rafsi to pull this off: {lo relbavlamdei}
> > or
> > > {lo bavrelylamdei}; however, I don't know if this is acceptable.
>

[Jacob Errington]

On 14 July 2012 05:36, la gleki <gleki.is...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> On May 29, 7:43 am, Jacob Errington <nicty...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Yes, there is. The gismu deep structure is wrong:
>> lo ka bavbavlamdei cu ka ce'u djedi gi'e lamji ce'u noi balvi *lo balvi be
>> ce'u*
>> where the added on "lo balvi" is the result of tacking on the extra -bav-.
>> So "a day that is adjacent to an event that is in the future of the future
>> of an event" i.e. BAD.
>>
>> In fact, the GDS for bavlamdei is really messy:
>> lo ka bavlamdei cu ka ce'u djedi gi'e lamji ce'u noi balvi ce'u
>>
>> You might as well just use {ba za re lo djedi}
>>
>> My ramblings:
>> {lo se detri be li za'u} is an interesting solution, where the number of
>> "tomorrows" can be indicated after the za'u:
>> {lo se detri be li za'ure} -> "the day after tomorrow" and {lo se detri be
>> li za'uci} "the day after that".
>> If {za'u} had a lujvo, which is sadly does not, I'd propose: {za'u zei
>> seldetri} = x1 is the event occurring on date x2 days after x3 at location
>> x4 by caldendar x5.
>> Unfortunately {za'u zei seldetri} suffers from karcykla syndrome: is it
>> days, months, weeks, years? *shrug* we can't know
> Shouldn't we add {pi'e} to point to week/month/year?

We can presumably use pi'e in the x2 number to do that, sure, but I
have no idea what you mean by "add {pi'e}". We can't add it to the
lujvo, especially because the lujvo doesn't even exist.

[Gleki Arxokuna]

Well, how would you say "tomorrow morning" and "tonight"?

1. {de'i li pa ca lo cerni} {de'i li no ca lo nicte}

2. ...?

By the way, what is "this night"? Is it current djedi or not?

When djedi begins? I heard in some countries it starts after the sundown.

So "tonight" in English may be "next night" in other cultures.

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