Making echo while speeching

[buro...@yahoo.co.uk]

coi

you can by pronounce the lerfu 't' like 'ts' usually, where s here
pronounced but not writen.

this seem easy but discover it is never not easy, only I want to feel
'sanji' with its value but not hurt never.

I ask to collect discovered principles in one page by lojban team
because I am not have any free time to read all letters.

ki'e

ki'es,di'es

[la .lindar.]

I have no idea what you're saying.

Nobody understands you.

Stop posting in English.

[Jonathan Jones]

On Thu, Jun 28, 2012 at 1:05 PM, buro...@yahoo.co.uk <buro...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

coi

you can by pronounce the lerfu 't' like 'ts' usually, where s here
pronounced but not writen.

No you can't. The rest of what you said I can't understand.
 

this seem easy but discover it is never not easy, only I want to feel
'sanji' with its value but not hurt never.

I ask to collect discovered principles in one page by lojban team
because I am not have any free time to read all letters.

ki'e

ki'es,di'es

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[buro...@yahoo.co.uk]

may this true for d lerfu...

the pronounciaton 'ts' be pronounounced in one letter duration time not in two or more so we can distinguished by ts two letters or more such as ts in "tsani" will soken in two letters duration time, and so on...

note: when prosody do with lojban will appear principles like this, at that time should persuade our selves by logic rules.

[Jonathan Jones]

No, it is true for NO lerfu. And PLEASE STOP POSTING IN ENGLISH BECAUSE WE CAN'T UNDERSTAND YOU.

I've /literally/ seen spam bot messages that are more comprehensible.

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[la .lindar.]

Can we ban him now? We've tried in Arabic, English, and Lojban. Ey refuses to speak anything other than shitty English that nobody understands and everybody is sick of it.

[Robin Lee Powell]

I'm not sick of it at all; I think it's hilarious.

-Robin

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[rden...@gmail.com]

Il giorno , "la .lindar." <lindar...@gmail.com> ha scritto:

> Can we ban him now?

I think this was discussed in another thread too. Whoever feels disturbed by his emails can just ignore them, I don't see why he should be banned.

I feel for him because he clearly is trying to tell something to us, I just hope he'll get better (either in English or Lojban) just trying over and over again.

remod

[iesk]

http://tatoeba.org/nds/sentences/show/1130843 -> any, we'll find someone

I *think* you are trying to tell us that the /t/ phoneme will become an affricate [ts] that will still be audibly different from /t/ + /s/. *wild guessing*

I don't know how you get that idea (if I did guess correctly). Maybe you live in Denmark? But those people can't talk anyway, so we shouldn't model Lojban on their speech. ;-p

iesk

[gleki]

ki'acai ?????????? 

[Pierre Abbat]

There is no "ts" phoneme in Lojban (as there is in Hebrew). "ts" in Lojban is
always two phonemes, /t/ and /s/, even if pronounced together as an
affricate.

Pierre

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[MorphemeAddict]

On Fri, Jun 29, 2012 at 4:38 AM, la .lindar. <lindar...@gmail.com> wrote:

Can we ban him now? We've tried in Arabic, English, and Lojban. Ey refuses to speak anything other than shitty English that nobody understands and everybody is sick of it.

Ban him? He's an enthusiastic supporter of Lojban, and you want to ban him? 

He's a particularly slow learner is all. If you don't want to help him or even read his posts, fine; ignore him. But he harms no-one, and he's TRYING!

stevo

[gleki]

i'a.

I wish he learnt Lojban first, not English. Unfortunately, its not possible now. But who knows, may be one day well see his translation of the CLL and vlaste to Arabic.

[MorphemeAddict]

On Fri, Jun 29, 2012 at 1:18 PM, gleki <gleki.is...@gmail.com> wrote:

On Friday, June 29, 2012 8:53:18 PM UTC+4, stevo wrote:

On Fri, Jun 29, 2012 at 4:38 AM, la .lindar. <lindar...@gmail.com> wrote:

Can we ban him now? We've tried in Arabic, English, and Lojban. Ey refuses to speak anything other than shitty English that nobody understands and everybody is sick of it.

Ban him? He's an enthusiastic supporter of Lojban, and you want to ban him? 

He's a particularly slow learner is all. If you don't want to help him or even read his posts, fine; ignore him. But he harms no-one, and he's TRYING!

stevo

i'a.

I wish he learnt Lojban first, not English.

Obviously, he hasn't learned English. That's the whole problem.

stevo

Unfortunately, its not possible now. But who knows, may be one day well see his translation of the CLL and vlaste to Arabic.

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[Jonathan Jones]

On Fri, Jun 29, 2012 at 11:28 AM, MorphemeAddict <lyt...@gmail.com> wrote:

On Fri, Jun 29, 2012 at 1:18 PM, gleki <gleki.is...@gmail.com> wrote:

On Friday, June 29, 2012 8:53:18 PM UTC+4, stevo wrote:

On Fri, Jun 29, 2012 at 4:38 AM, la .lindar. <lindar...@gmail.com> wrote:

Can we ban him now? We've tried in Arabic, English, and Lojban. Ey refuses to speak anything other than shitty English that nobody understands and everybody is sick of it.

Ban him? He's an enthusiastic supporter of Lojban, and you want to ban him? 

He's a particularly slow learner is all. If you don't want to help him or even read his posts, fine; ignore him. But he harms no-one, and he's TRYING!

stevo

i'a.

I wish he learnt Lojban first, not English.

Obviously, he hasn't learned English. That's the whole problem.

Exactly. If a spam bot can be mre understandable, he obviously hasn't learned English. And apparently whatever automatic translator he's using is worse than the norm, as well.
 

stevo

Unfortunately, its not possible now. But who knows, may be one day well see his translation of the CLL and vlaste to Arabic.

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[Muhammad Na'el]

Maybe this's true for the lerfu.
The phoneme "ts" is usually pronounced in the duration of one normal consonant (as in most approximants).
So, the phoneme "ts" should be pronounced longer (?) to help distinguish between its 2 parts; the same applies for other similar letters.
When "prosody (?) is eventually integrated (or worked with) in Lojban, logic will be our judge.

---The (?)'s are mine.

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[MorphemeAddict]

On Fri, Jun 29, 2012 at 4:12 AM, Muhammad Na'el <muhamm...@gmail.com> wrote:

Maybe this's true for the lerfu.
The phoneme "ts" is usually pronounced in the duration of one normal consonant (as in most approximants).
So, the phoneme "ts" should be pronounced longer (?) to help distinguish between its 2 parts; the same applies for other similar letters.

As someone has already remarked, "ts" is not a phoneme, it's a composition of two phonemes: "t" and "s". 

stevo

[iesk]

Even if nothing else came of it (and I'm not convinced that it doesn't), these kind of discussions are a reminder of the fact that this (in my perception: important) 'lojban' list functions primarily in a random natlang, ie English, and that people (me included) (legitimately or not) feel uncomfortable contributing in other random (nat)langs. I think that such a reminder is in itself valuable. ;)

Med vendlig hilsen,
iesk

[Jonathan Jones]

The simple reason for that is most of us are native English speakers, or are at least competent speakers of same. At least at one point, whether or not true today, this was not merely true of the members on this list, but of Lojban speakers in total. Nowadays we have Lojban groups in various natlangs- I am aware of at least Spanish, Russian, and Japanese, and expect there's an Arabic one as well- so it may no longer be true of all jbopre.

I'll admit I have no idea how much cross-polination there is among the various natlang groups, but I do know one thing- the in-Lojban Lojban list gets the /least/ amount of activity, which is exactly the reverse of how things should be.

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[Sid]

A bit late here, but unemphatic /t/ is pronouced [ts] in some
varieties of Arabic, like Moroccan.

mi'e cntr

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