in Cyrillic

[Pierre Abbat]

"This is written in Russian" is "ciska ti bau lo rusko". How would you say
"This is written in Cyrillic"?

Pierre
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[selpa'i]

Am 12.09.2012 21:03, schrieb Pierre Abbat:
> "This is written in Russian" is "ciska ti bau lo rusko". How would you say
> "This is written in Cyrillic"?
>
> Pierre

"ti se ciska se pi'o lo rusko lerfu"?

mu'o mi'e la selpa'i

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pilno zo le xu .i lo dei bangu cu se cmene zo lojbo .e nai zo lejbo

doị mèlbi mlenì'u
.i do càtlu ki'u
ma fe la xàmpre ŭu
.i do tìnsa càrmi
gi'e sìrji se tàrmi
.i taị bo pu cìtka lo gràna ku

[.arpis.]

That feels like a cop-out, even more so than {ti se ciska se pi'o lo me la KIril lerfu}

Would {ciska ti fi'o se lerfu la KIril} do?

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[vitci'i]

I think {fi'o se lerfu} is the right approach. {KIril} probably doesn't
need the capitals, as stressing the penultimate symbol is the default.

On 09/12/2012 02:57 PM, .arpis. wrote:
> That feels like a cop-out, even more so than {ti se ciska se pi'o lo me la
> KIril lerfu}
>
> Would {ciska ti fi'o se lerfu la KIril} do?
>
> On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 3:20 PM, selpa'i <sel...@gmx.de> wrote:
>
>> Am 12.09.2012 21:03, schrieb Pierre Abbat:
>>
>> "This is written in Russian" is "ciska ti bau lo rusko". How would you say
>>> "This is written in Cyrillic"?
>>>
>>> Pierre
>>>
>>
>> "ti se ciska se pi'o lo rusko lerfu"?
>>
>> mu'o mi'e la selpa'i
>>
>> --
>> pilno zo le xu .i lo dei bangu cu se cmene zo lojbo .e nai zo lejbo
>>
>> doị mèlbi mlenì'u
>> .i do càtlu ki'u
>> ma fe la xàmpre ŭu
>> .i do tìnsa càrmi
>> gi'e sìrji se tàrmi
>> .i taị bo pu cìtka lo gràna ku
>>
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[.arpis.]

I'd argue against {sofle'u}, because the Cyrillic alphabet predates the Soviet union (and against {rukle'u} because the Cyrillic alphabet is not limited to the Russian language). {lerfrkirili} seems good, though.

On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 6:46 PM, iesk <pa....@gmx.de> wrote:

{ciska fi'o [se] za'e lerfrkirili/sofle'u}?

-iesk

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[Michael Turniansky]

  WARNING:  Non-PC humor.  No brickbats, please!

  How about cizyfa'e zei ry zei selyle'u?

  *ducks*

       --gejyspa

[Jacob Errington]

xe'e'e

.i zo'onaibu'o .i lu ciska zoi ry some cyrillic here I'm too lazy to get any ry ne ta'o fi'o lerfrkirili

.i pei

.i mi'e la tsani mu'o

[iesk]

I take {softo} to correspond to something like 'pertaining to the "Russosphere"', not (just) 'Soviet'. Since I don't know of any serious usage of that word, I'm not sure what to do with it, however.

Obviously the Cyrillic alphabet is not limited to that culture/area/whatever. On the other hand, the Latin alphabet is not limited to Latin -- is it {latmo} though? I don't know.

(Even more off topic: I don't get {lo'a}. How can it (or could it, if it were used) shift to the Lojban *slash* Latin alphabet? Do we not pretend that they are not necessarily the same thing? Does {lo'a} shift to Cyrillic in a Cyrillic Lojban text?)

-iesk

[.arpis.]

It is my perception that even if {softo} refers to "Soviet", it would not be technically incorrect to refer to Cyrillic as {softo selyle'u} or {rusko selyle'u} (a la in English calling it "the Russian alphabet"), but it would be imprecise.

-iesk

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[Michael Turniansky]

   No.  It's simply that the default orthography for lojban is the one that I am using RIGHT NOW to type this letter, so it's convenient to refer to it as the lojban orthography or the Latin/romanji/Spanish/English/German, etc. orthography.  If we were using tegwar, larlermorna, srilermorna, etc., we would need a different shift, with zai or ce'a.... ru'o is the shift for Cyrillic.

    --gejyspa

On Thu, Sep 13, 2012 at 12:23 PM, iesk <pa....@gmx.de> wrote:

-iesk

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[Jacob Errington]

hm. These letter-shifts... aren't they used to get at extra BY ? I mean, in speech, saying "oh ho! suddenly I'm speaking the *same language* but in a different alphabet, tee hee" has no real effect.

In other words {me'o ge'o by} refers to beta. These BY are pronouns just like the rest, and don't just indicate a change in the writing system of the text representing the lojban.

.i mi'a la tsani mu'o

[Michael Turniansky]

  Precisely.  For example, this week I received an email message for my job at the hospital to configure a slide protocol for the stain "Aβ", which is an abbreviation Beta-amyloid.  But if I was reading that email aloud (or if a grossing physician was dictating to a transcriptionist, as they do), I/they would say "tau .abu ge'o by" cumbersome, but it is what it is (and still three syllables shorter than "la'o xy.beta-amyloid xy." ;-) )

                          --gejyspa