Should {nai} be copied by {go'i}

[Gleki Arxokuna]

In a dialogue.

Alice: - .i nai mi nelci lo plise

Bob: - .i go'i

does Bob state that Alice doesn't like apples?

Definitely {xu} is not copied by {go'i} so what about other UI, NAI and CAI?

There is an opinion that {po'o} is copied by {go'i}.

[Jorge Llambías]

go'i repeats meaning, not words. I think more specifically go'i repeats the propositional content of the preceding bridi, so it should include whatever meaning UIs contribute to the propositional content of the bridi, and "nai" sometimes does contribute: 

- .i mi nelci lo plise .e nai lo badna

- .i go'i ra'o

As a sumti attachment, "ko'a po'o" is shorthand for "ko'a .e no na'e bo ko'a", which is purely propositional content, so it should be included in go'i. 

Most UI don't affect the propositional content of a bridi, so they would not be contained in "go'i". But if speaker A expresses an attitude towards something, and speaker B repeats the content without expressing any attitude themselves, then I would say B is being uncooperative. 

mu'o mi'e xorxes

[la gleki]

Do you have any rules in mind of how to determine whether UI/NAI/COI is copied or not?

Do you think it's possible to do that in terms of pure syntax without analyzing the semantics every time?

I'm asking this because without the answer the prospect in AI field will become obscure.

I hope this can be done within the syntax only.

[Jorge Llambías]

On Fri, May 2, 2014 at 10:44 AM, la gleki <gleki.is...@gmail.com> wrote:

Do you have any rules in mind of how to determine whether UI/NAI/COI is copied or not?

The one I stated: look into their contribution to propositional content.

 

Do you think it's possible to do that in terms of pure syntax without analyzing the semantics every time?

"Every time" is a small number of times, since there is a finite number of UIs. 

 

I'm asking this because without the answer the prospect in AI field will become obscure.

I hope this can be done within the syntax only.

"xu" and "po'o" share the same syntax, but behave differently with respect to "go'i". And so do "mi" and "lo plise". So I don't think that syntax alone will do it.

[Gleki Arxokuna]

2014-05-02 18:05 GMT+04:00 Jorge Llambías <jjlla...@gmail.com>:

On Fri, May 2, 2014 at 10:44 AM, la gleki <gleki.is...@gmail.com> wrote:

Do you have any rules in mind of how to determine whether UI/NAI/COI is copied or not?

The one I stated: look into their contribution to propositional content.

 

Do you think it's possible to do that in terms of pure syntax without analyzing the semantics every time?

"Every time" is a small number of times, since there is a finite number of UIs. 

Yes, but what {sei}  clauses? What's the difference between 

{sei natfe se'u broda}

{fi'o natfe fe'u broda} and

{na broda}

?

Is {sei} clause copied by {go'i} just like {fi'o} clause?

 

I'm asking this because without the answer the prospect in AI field will become obscure.

I hope this can be done within the syntax only.

"xu" and "po'o" share the same syntax, but behave differently with respect to "go'i". And so do "mi" and "lo plise". So I don't think that syntax alone will do it.

mu'o mi'e xorxes

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[Jorge Llambías]

On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 9:05 AM, Gleki Arxokuna <gleki.is...@gmail.com> wrote:

Yes, but what {sei}  clauses? What's the difference between 

{sei natfe se'u broda}

{fi'o natfe fe'u broda} and

{na broda}

?

The first one perhaps could mean something like "on the contrary, ..."? It says that something (presumably the broda bridi) is a negation of something else (the preceding bridi maybe, or some other salient bridi). 

The second one adds a place to broda, for something that is the negation of something else, probably of the original broda bridi minus the new argument, although I can't imagine what this could be used for, or whether it makes any sense even.

"na broda" is the negation of "broda".

Is {sei} clause copied by {go'i} just like {fi'o} clause?

I'd say no, since it's not part of the bridi.