some questions
Pierre Abbat
a. rirxe
b. zbani
c. tcadu
d. snanu
e. xrabo
lo xabju be la .tiblis. cu _____
a. kartuli
b. kernauke
c. gombesa
d. sperlanu
e. nargile
lo xanto _____ lo nazbi cu clani
a. nai
b. zo'u
c. cu
d. co
e. bo'u
la .rampal. zgipli lo _____
a. sfani
b. drani
c. xrani
d. flani
e. zbani
mu'omi'e .pier.
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li fi'u vu'u fi'u fi'u du li pa
.arpis.
la .ka'irat. _____ la .misr.
a. rirxe
b. zbani
c. tcadu
d. snanu
e. xrabo
cy
lo xabju be la .tiblis. cu _____
a. kartuli
b. kernauke
c. gombesa
d. sperlanu
e. nargile
lo xanto _____ lo nazbi cu clani
a. nai
b. zo'u
c. cu
d. co
e. bo'u
by
la .rampal. zgipli lo _____
a. sfani
b. drani
c. xrani
d. flani
e. zbani
dy
mu'omi'e .pier.
--
li fi'u vu'u fi'u fi'u du li pa
ki'e sai la .gugl. .e ji'a la .vlasisku
--
mu'o mi'e .arpis.
Pierre Abbat
> > lo xabju be la .tiblis. cu _____
> > a. kartuli
> > b. kernauke
> > c. gombesa
> > d. sperlanu
> > e. nargile
> >
> > ju'o cu'i abu
drani .i la .tiblis. raltca la .sakartulos .i lo kernauke cu xabju lo nanstici
be la .gligug .i lo gombesa .e lo sperlanu cu finpe
I had some trouble with that name. The native form is "Tbilisi" and the
Russian is "Tiflis" (in different alphabets), and I mashed them together,
since a word can't contain "tb" in Lojban. Also the Georgian name of the
country contains "tve", which I changed to "tu", as the name of the people
and language occurs in the forms "kartveli" and "kartuli".
> > lo xanto _____ lo nazbi cu clani
> > a. nai
> > b. zo'u
> > c. cu
> > d. co
> > e. bo'u
>
> by
Would this question be any easier for a Japanese?
How would you categorize these questions and rate their difficulty?
Pierre
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The Black Garden on the Mountain is not on the Black Mountain.
.arpis.
la .ka'irat. _____ la .misr.
a. rirxe
b. zbani
c. tcadu
d. snanu
e. xrabo
Made more difficult in that it requires knowledge of geography and lojbanized names; other than that, basic gismu and place structure question.
Difficulty: average
lo xabju be la .tiblis. cu _____
a. kartuli
b. kernauke
c. gombesa
d. sperlanu
e. nargile
Same caveat as above; requires knowledge of {xabju} and several fu'ivla
Difficulty: above average
lo xanto _____ lo nazbi cu clani
a. nai
b. zo'u
c. cu
d. co
e. bo'u
Grammar question. I can't guess whether or not it would be easier for someone Japanese, but I eliminated 3 of the 5 choices by the fact that they clearly don't fit, and looked up bo'u to check that it wasn't some important cmavo I didn't know.
Difficulty: easy
la .rampal. zgipli lo _____
a. sfani
b. drani
c. xrani
d. flani
e. zbani
Knowledge of who the heck Rampal is helps. {zgipli} is not in jbovlaste. Requires basic gismu knowledge.
Difficulty: average
mu'omi'e .pier.
--
li fi'u vu'u fi'u fi'u du li pa
Pierre Abbat
> Grammar question. I can't guess whether or not it would be easier for
> someone Japanese, but I eliminated 3 of the 5 choices by the fact that they
> clearly don't fit, and looked up bo'u to check that it wasn't some
> important cmavo I didn't know.
Would it be fair to include a cmavo, such as "be", which produces a
grammatical, but nonsensical, sentence?
Can you come up with some questions for the rest of us to try?
Pierre
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I believe in Yellow when I'm in Sweden and in Black when I'm in Wales.
.arpis.
On Sunday 05 June 2011 22:54:18 .arpis. wrote:Would it be fair to include a cmavo, such as "be", which produces a
> Grammar question. I can't guess whether or not it would be easier for
> someone Japanese, but I eliminated 3 of the 5 choices by the fact that they
> clearly don't fit, and looked up bo'u to check that it wasn't some
> important cmavo I didn't know.
grammatical, but nonsensical, sentence?
Yes; I think it would be a good idea.
Can you come up with some questions for the rest of us to try?
I'm not really sure what to ask... Is there a resource these questions are expected to be based on?
Pierre
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I believe in Yellow when I'm in Sweden and in Black when I'm in Wales.
Pierre Abbat
> On Sun, Jun 5, 2011 at 11:18 PM, Pierre Abbat <ph...@phma.optus.nu> wrote:
> > On Sunday 05 June 2011 22:54:18 .arpis. wrote:
> > > Grammar question. I can't guess whether or not it would be easier for
> > > someone Japanese, but I eliminated 3 of the 5 choices by the fact that
> >
> > they
> >
> > > clearly don't fit, and looked up bo'u to check that it wasn't some
> > > important cmavo I didn't know.
"Zou wa hana ga nagai" is a well-known example of the Japanese topic-comment
structure. Except for the article, which Japanese lacks, it is word-for-word
the same as the Lojban.
> > Can you come up with some questions for the rest of us to try?
>
> I'm not really sure what to ask... Is there a resource these questions are
> expected to be based on?
See http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-lbck/topics for previous
discussions.
http://www.transparent.com/language-resources/tests.html has links to some
tests of a similar form. Xorxes posted links to two of them, but they have
moved.
Here are some previous questions:
"lo _cipnrkuku_ cu _punji_ le ri _sodva_ le zdani be lo _drata_ cipni"
A. cipnrkuku
B. punji
C. sodva
D. drata
E. _no se srera_ (written for example in some other font)
ti<u> </u>zbasu <u>be</u> lo takybli <u>bei</u> lo kliti<u> </u>minji
A. <u> </u>
B. <u>be</u>
C. <u>bei</u>
D. <u> </u>
E. <i>no se srera</i>
zo ci'onrai ma dunli lo ka valsi
A. zo cikrai
B. zo cimrai
C. zo cinrai
D. zo citrai
ma na taidra fu'ivla
A. zoi ly .ai'erne .ly
B. zoi ly .urartu .ly
C. zoi ly. kartuli .ly
D. zoi ly. kafkaso .ly
E. zoi ly. tirkce .ly
ro _____ cu smani
A. cimpanzi
B. tcimpanzi
C. tcimpazi
D. timpanzi
E. ctimpanzi
mi cpacu _____ jaspu le jansu
A. lo
B. pu
C. goi
D. do
E. na
The questions will be in groups, of which some will be selected randomly, and
for some questions (the ci'onrai one, but not the cuckoo one) the answers
will be permuted randomly. An answer key will be printed separately. I have a
partly written database schema for this.
There will be at least four levels of proficiency: gismu, lujvo, fu'ivla up to
type 3, and type-4 fu'ivla. There may be other levels between or above those.
Pierre
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sei do'anai mi'a djuno puze'e noroi nalselganse srera