"me too" in Lojban
gleki
Michael Eaton
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ianek
- ti pluka mi
- go'ira'o ji'a
mu'o mi'e ianek
On 5 Mar, 15:39, "Michael Eaton" <michael.ea...@blackpool.gov.uk>
wrote:
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> -di'ai melbi nicte
> -di'ai melbi nicte
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> From: lojban-b...@googlegroups.com [mailto:lojban-b...@googlegroups.com]On Behalf Of gleki
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> Subject: [lojban-beginners] "me too" in Lojban
>
> - It pleases me
> - Me too
>
> How to express the reply compactly in Lojban ?
> or
>
> - Good night !
> - [Good night to] you too !
>
> - di'ai melbi nicte
> - ???
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Pierre Abbat
> - It pleases me
> - Me too
>
> How to express the reply compactly in Lojban ?
—pluka mi
—go'i ra'o
which is no shorter than this short utterance, but than longer ones it is.
> or
>
> - Good night !
> - [Good night to] you too !
>
> - di'ai melbi nicte
> - ???
"go'i ra'o" doesn't work with "di'ai" (which I had to look up), but it does
work with "lo xamgu ko li'i".
Pierre
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ianek
the correct form of saying "good night" is {di'ai do melbi nicte} or
{di'ai do'u melbi nicte} and then you can reply {di'ai do'u go'i}.
{ra'o} is not needed, because there are no pro-assignments in the
bridi part.
mu'o mi'e ianek
selpa'i
familiar with and that I use are:
{lo pluka ko li'i nicte} (used a lot on IRC)
and
{ko nicte zanfri}
For "too/also", you use ji'a/si'a/mi'u, depending on the situation.
mu'o mi'e la selpa'i
Am 05.03.2012 21:37, schrieb ianek:
> Well, I thought di'ai is UI, but it's COI. In this case I think that
> the correct form of saying "good night" is {di'ai do melbi nicte} or
> {di'ai do'u melbi nicte} and then you can reply {di'ai do'u go'i}.
> {ra'o} is not needed, because there are no pro-assignments in the
> bridi part.
>
> mu'o mi'e ianek
>
> On 5 Mar, 21:11, Pierre Abbat<p...@phma.optus.nu> wrote:
>> On Monday, March 05, 2012 09:35:58 gleki wrote:
>>> - It pleases me
>>> - Me too
>>> How to express the reply compactly in Lojban ?
>> �pluka mi
>> �go'i ra'o
>> which is no shorter than this short utterance, but than longer ones it is.
>>
>>> or
>>> - Good night !
>>> - [Good night to] you too !
>>> - di'ai melbi nicte
>>> - ???
>> "go'i ra'o" doesn't work with "di'ai" (which I had to look up), but it does
>> work with "lo xamgu ko li'i".
>>
>> Pierre
>>
>> --
>> La sal en el mar es m�s que en la sangre.
>> Le sel dans la mer est plus que dans le sang.
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.i lo vajrai cu nonselji'u lo kanla
Sebastian Fröjd
mu'omi'e seb
Den måndagen den 5:e mars 2012 skrev selpa'i<m...@plasmatix.com>:
> For what it's worth, the two standard ways to say "good night" I'm familiar with and that I use are:
> {lo pluka ko li'i nicte} (used a lot on IRC)
> and
> {ko nicte zanfri}
>
> For "too/also", you use ji'a/si'a/mi'u, depending on the situation.
>
> mu'o mi'e la selpa'i
>
> Am 05.03.2012 21:37, schrieb ianek:
>>
>> Well, I thought di'ai is UI, but it's COI. In this case I think that
>> the correct form of saying "good night" is {di'ai do melbi nicte} or
>> {di'ai do'u melbi nicte} and then you can reply {di'ai do'u go'i}.
>> {ra'o} is not needed, because there are no pro-assignments in the
>> bridi part.
>>
>> mu'o mi'e ianek
>>
>> On 5 Mar, 21:11, Pierre Abbat<p...@phma.optus.nu> wrote:
>>>
>>> On Monday, March 05, 2012 09:35:58 gleki wrote:
>>>>
>>>> - It pleases me
>>>> - Me too
>>>> How to express the reply compactly in Lojban ?
>>>
>>> —go'i ra'o
>>> which is no shorter than this short utterance, but than longer ones it is.
>>>
>>>> or
>>>> - Good night !
>>>> - [Good night to] you too !
>>>> - di'ai melbi nicte
>>>> - ???
>>>
>>> "go'i ra'o" doesn't work with "di'ai" (which I had to look up), but it does
>>> work with "lo xamgu ko li'i".
>>>
>>> Pierre
>>>
>>> --
>>> Le sel dans la mer est plus que dans le sang.
>
>
> --
> .i da xamgu ganse fi no na'ebo lo risna
> .i lo vajrai cu nonselji'u lo kanla
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Jonathan Jones
- It pleases me- Me tooHow to express the reply compactly in Lojban ?
Depending on what is being "me too"ed, you can use ji'a:
abu: mi nelci ti
by: ji'a go'i
or- Good night !- [Good night to] you too !
abu: ko lifri lonu xamgu nicte
by: ji'a go'i
- di'ai melbi nicte- ???
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Janek
> On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 7:35 AM, gleki <gleki.is...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> - It pleases me
>> - Me too
>>
>> How to express the reply compactly in Lojban ?
>
>
> Depending on what is being "me too"ed, you can use ji'a:
>
> abu: mi nelci ti
> by: ji'a go'i
{go'ira'o}, not {go'i}
>
>>
>> or
>>
>> - Good night !
>> - [Good night to] you too !
>
>
> abu: ko lifri lonu xamgu nicte
> by: ji'a go'i
I'm not sure, but I think this also requires {ra'o}
mu'o mi'e ianek
>>
>>
Jonathan Jones
On 6 March 2012 02:38, Jonathan Jones <eye...@gmail.com> wrote:{go'ira'o}, not {go'i}
> On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 7:35 AM, gleki <gleki.is...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> - It pleases me
>> - Me too
>>
>> How to express the reply compactly in Lojban ?
>
>
> Depending on what is being "me too"ed, you can use ji'a:
>
> abu: mi nelci ti
> by: ji'a go'i
No. It's just go'i.
The expansion on the above is not
abu: mi nelci ti
by: ji'a do nelci ti
It is
abu: mi nelci ti
by: ji'a mi nelci ti
ra'o is needed to distinguish between
A: mi lumci le mi karce
B: mi go'i
A: I wash my car.
B: I wash A’s car.
and
A: mi lumci le mi karce
B: mi go'i ra'o
A: I wash my car.
B: I wash B’s car.
CLL 7.6 CLL 20
I'm not sure, but I think this also requires {ra'o}
>
>>
>> or
>>
>> - Good night !
>> - [Good night to] you too !
>
>
> abu: ko lifri lonu xamgu nicte
> by: ji'a go'i
No. It doesn't.
Pierre Abbat
> On Tue, Mar 6, 2012 at 12:22 AM, Janek <j-...@o2.pl> wrote:
> > On 6 March 2012 02:38, Jonathan Jones <eye...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > abu: mi nelci ti
> > > by: ji'a go'i
> >
> > {go'ira'o}, not {go'i}
>
> No. It's just go'i.
>
> The expansion on the above is not
>
> abu: mi nelci ti
> by: ji'a do nelci ti
>
> It is
>
> abu: mi nelci ti
> by: ji'a mi nelci ti
Since "mi" is not explicit in the sentence with "go'i", it still refers to A.
With "ra'o", the implicit "mi" would refer to B.
If A pointed to something close to A but far from B and said "mi nelci ti",
and B said "ji'a go'i ra'o", would B be stating that he likes something close
to B and far from A?
> ra'o is needed to distinguish between
>
> A: mi lumci le mi karce
> B: mi go'i
>
> A: I wash my car.
> B: I wash A’s car.
"go'i" with no subject would mean "A washes A's car".
> and
>
> A: mi lumci le mi karce
> B: mi go'i ra'o
>
> A: I wash my car.
> B: I wash B’s car.
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ianek
On 6 Mar, 20:26, Jonathan Jones <eyeo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 6, 2012 at 12:22 AM, Janek <j...@o2.pl> wrote:
> > On 6 March 2012 02:38, Jonathan Jones <eyeo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 7:35 AM, gleki <gleki.is.my.n...@gmail.com>
Yes. But the {mi} in {le mi karce} isn't more special than {mi} in {mi
nelci ti}. You can say
abu: mi nelci ti
by: ji'a mi go'i
to parallel the CLL example. The example in CLL 20 also uses {mi
go'i}.
>
>
> > >> or
>
> > >> - Good night !
> > >> - [Good night to] you too !
>
> > > abu: ko lifri lonu xamgu nicte
> > > by: ji'a go'i
>
> > I'm not sure, but I think this also requires {ra'o}
>
> No. It doesn't.
interacts with {ko}.
Jonathan Jones
My mistake. I was under the impression that go'i kept the referents the same, such that
abu: xu do klama lo zarci
by: go'i
means
abu: xu do klama lo zarci
by: mi klama lo zarci
not
abu: xu do klama lo zarci
by: do klama lo zarci
whereas ra'o causes the sumti to be re-evaluated from the speaker's perspective, such that
abu: xu do klama lo zarci
by: go'ira'o
means
abu: xu do klama lo zarci
by: do klama lo zarci
not
abu: xu do klama lo zarci
by: mi klama lo zarci
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> and
>
> A: mi lumci le mi karce
> B: mi go'i ra'o
>
> A: I wash my car.
> B: I wash B’s car.
lo ponse be lo mruli po'o cu ga'ezga roda lo ka dinko
Felipe Gonçalves Assis
Pierre Abbat
"go'i" without "ra'o" does keep the referents the same, of whatever pronouns
are carried over from the referent of "go'i". I don't see what mistake you
think you made. If B explicitly says "mi", the referent of "mi" is B, but if
"mi" is carried over from the referent of "go'i" when A said it, the referent
of "mi" is A. "go'i ra'o" updates the referents of the pronouns that are
carried over.
Pierre
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