Can't control tab to bus with Logic Magician

[David Eagle]

Hi, using Logic magician. I’ve put two sends on a track. If I press shift 1 on the track, it announces the send volume and bus name. But if I press control tab, it takes me to the stereo out bus, and I can’t work out how to get to the send bus? It was working for my first few tries, but now it’s not, in spite of a Logic restart. Any ideas? Thanks.

[Laid Civic]

Hi

You’re very close. Usually, that secondary channel is always stereo out, except when you change a send level. Only then, send bus appear in logic’s ui and can be accessed. 

So, select a send, hit shift page up then shift page down just enough that send bus appear in logic, then use ctrl tab to select the bus. 

Cheers

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Hi, using Logic magician. I’ve put two sends on a track. If I press shift 1 on the track, it announces the send volume and bus name. But if I press control tab, it takes me to the stereo out bus, and I can’t work out how to get to the send bus? It was working for my first few tries, but now it’s not, in spite of a Logic restart. Any ideas? Thanks.

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[David Eagle]

Aha, yes, thanks, that was it. A shame you have to take those extra steps, but it may well be necessary in order to get Logic to obey Tom’s clever control tab setup. If there was some way to make it so we didn’t have to manipulate the send each time before we could control tab to it then I reckon that would be grand, but I appreciate it may not be possible.

I’m getting the hang of automation. I know how to add automation points to affect volume, pan, sends and plugins, however I’m a bit unsure as to how we go about seeing those automation points and refining them? If indeed we can. For instance, in this most recent project, I’ve got my automation point set on the delay’s send volume, but it comes in ever so slightly too late. But I’m not sure on how I could move the automation points back a little in order to fix that. I didn’t see a tutorial on that anywhere. Thanks for all the help. I’m getting there. My brain is a buzzing with the onslaught of new keyboard shortcuts I’ve given it over the last few days. 

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hello. if there is no mapping of any controller, then how can I create a mapping file in vdj myself?

вт, 20 янв. 2026 г. в 16:06, Никита Баранов <nvsv...@gmail.com>:

hello. please upload the pioneer ddj flx 2 keymap file to the repository.

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[TheOreoMonster]

Thats how the Logic interface works without Logic Magician, All LM does is let you switch your keyboard focus to that secondary channel strip  with out much hassle. 

That being said While I may have suggested taking advantage of that logic feature in Logic Magician, I don’t remember whether Lucky (aka laid) or I came up with that key command but he did the scripting to make it do what it does in Logic Magician.

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[David Eagle]

OK, thanks. I’ve now gone through the documentation, and read up on automation, but Im still a bit confused about whether it’s possible to edit automation? I notice in the inspector, there’s a disclosure triangle relating to automation lanes, but I don’t see any difference between that being open or closed, and what, if anything, one is meant to do in there? Thanks.

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[David Eagle]

Ok, here are my findings so far regarding automation editing.

Open the automation events list with Control command E. This seems to present a different events list to command 7, which doesn’t seem to show me automation.

Interact with the events table.

Press down arrow to move through events.

Unfortunately because command control 3 and 4 seemingly create automation points for volume, pan and sends, the events list becomes rather mired in events, which doesn’t put one in the lightest of moods, so do try to take some deep breaths, and remember that Macs are expensive and thus refrain from throwing it across the room.

Once you’ve found your event, you can do all the editing things like pressing semicolon to move it to playhead, pressing delete to … well, you know.

I think pressing shift E selects all the same events.

I don’t know whether there’s a way to select just those events in a a selected time frame, or between locators.

It’s taken me two hours to work out how to get a send volume change to move by an eighth of a second. So I’m not looking forward to having to correct automation edits. I suppose it just encourages me to get it right the first time.

Anyway do let me know if I’m going about this the right way, or if you have any tips for an easier workflow.

Thanks.

[TheOreoMonster]

Sometimes  it’s faster to re-do the automation than edit it. You are on the right track. You can try the various key commands to select between the locators or select all same events etc to see if they work in the Automation Event List. Yes editing Automation definately could be better, however personally y I find the process quick enough and I guess I don’t do anything complicated often enough that re-doing it has been too much of a pain. If you are doing something complicated, save often so you only have to back up a step if necessary. 

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[Dave Leo Baker]

I’ve used automation for years but this automation events list sounded very promising. I brought it up after having done automation on a midi piano region and that list shows me only midi events. If I filter what’s shown by unchecking the boxes for notes and controller (sustain pedal in this case) all I see is the empty table, because the only midi data recorded to the track is now gone. I verified that the keystroke exists and is assigned to midi events list, by going into the keyboard assignments list dialog and typing automation in the search field. 

As I use midi events a ton, I’d love to see us be able to edit automation data, it’s not hard to check your work with your ears or now Logic Magician keystrokes, which also Braille btw, but the little edits my sighted peers do without redoing the whole automation would be brilliant. 

Thanks for bringing up the automation list and I will go research how to make it work right.

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[David Eagle]

Hi, thanks. I have had a bit of a breakthrough. I’ve just discovered a wonderful feature in the mix menu called automation quick access. This is enabled and disabled with command control option A. It allows you to control automation with a nob, fader or wheel on your controller keyboard, and you can very quickly select the parameter you want that to influence. I’m now flying through automation. Here are the steps to get it working.

Make sure you’re showing automation on your track. Press A to show or hide automation.

1. Turn on automation quick access in the mix menu or with command control option A.

2. This took me into automation settings, where I had to specify what I wanted to affect my automation with. I chose the mod wheel. I can’t remember what the button was called that you need to click on, as now it’s showing a button called learn, because I’ve already set it up. However, it’s very easy to find, as it’s right at the bottom of the automation settings.

3. Move your nob, fader or wheel.

4. Find your parameter you want to manipulate. Go into the track header on your track or bus and VO right arrow to where it will likely say, volume, automation parameter. It’s basically the button to the right of automation mode. Mine currently announces, read, automation mode. So it’s to the right of that.

5. Press on that automation parameter button to enter a menu, where you a change what the active parameter is. This includes all your track and sends parameters and plugin parameters. Press enter on the one you want,.

6. Set your automation mode to latch or touch or write, whichever tickles your fancy.

7. Now you can slide, turn or wiggle your way to victory, depending on what thing on your controller you’ve assigned to automation quick access.

8. Enjoy the endorphin rush.

9. You can turn off automation quick access when you’re done, which let’s me use my mod wheel for more traditional mod wheel based things when playing an instrument.

If you have the option, auto select automation parameter in read mode enabled, you can move between some parameters with command Y, but to change parameters for plugins you’ll need to go into that automation parameter list.

Hope this helps. I’m really enjoying manipulating plugins in realtime. I used to use automation points all the time in reaper, but then it was a lot easier seemingly. However, there’s a lot to be said for being encouraged to use a control surface.

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[Dave Leo Baker]

I have to confess that like TOM, I don’t do so much automating as to need the precision that I do in midi event lists. In fact I’m not afraid to use actual midi CC’s to do things like pan and volume, midi pan is not the balance knob pan of the stereo track but literally pans the instrument itself so a bit different. But when I do automation it is the final step before the end of mixing, since automation isn’t relative, it’s absolute to whatever your levels are.

Second to that I use aux tracks like a reverb or chorus track to automate either as a send, or focus on it in the mixer and do automation there, so if I need to touch up volume levels on my main tracks it doesn’t kill my automation. My sighted peers don’t struggle with that as they can just grab and move the automation to match what they changed. I sort of got interested in the event list though, but have had no real succes. The most I can do is see the start point of the automation for the volume, and can’t even see its end point let alone how it was moving. But we can actually see that by playthrough and push the logic magician keys, better than moving off of and back on to the parameter we’re automating just to hear changes. I’ve just gotten used to the fact I can’t edit automation, I just think we work out the quirks of how to do it to match our relative workflows. I suspect it’s also different depending on your instrument and more accurately the genre of music you’re laying down.

  

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[David Eagle]

Hmm. Control Command E works for me. As in, I can se the automation; it certainly doens't work for me as a concept, or at least not yet. I unselect everything in that list, and the only thing that remains is my automation data. Right at the bottom it tells you how many events there are, and you an interact with the table. Is that not happening for you? 

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[Daniel Contreras]

yea I definitely prefer using automation points for visible parameter instead of volume pan sends as it will produce much less points to have to dig through in that events list. 

Daniel Contreras 

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[TheOreoMonster]

If you have auto select parameter for automation you should be able to just adjust the parameter in the plug in window. Since this selects it in the menu in the track header, you should be then ready for the automation quick access.

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[Dave Leo Baker]

It only shows midi events, and after using shift+D I have to uncheck midi notes and controller and see only one entry for the first automation point, the fade at value 0 but I can’t see the remaining points including the last one. Gemini was no help and just went round and round. Again I can work without this but events lists are all good if we can use them. 

Automation is on with letter A and when I inspect the track automation is set to track not region, and the parameter is set correctly to volume. 

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[David Eagle]

Hi Dave, I’d suggest that it’s because you have your selection set to only a portion of your project, but it doesn’t seem to make a difference where your locators are, I just see all the automation events. It would actually be very useful if I could get it to only show events between my locators, as that would speed automation editing up quite a bit. 

Have you tried creating a new project and adding some automation points, and then trying control command E, and seeing what happens? At leas then we know whether it’s project specific.

I’m sure we can get this sorted for you. I’m making quite a few little breakthroughs with automation editing. I’m going to wait until I’ve fully got to grips with it, and then in a few days I’ll write up my findings, but my main discovery is using command control 5 and 6, as otherwise you’re just dropping loads of automation points around the place, with reckless abandon.

I’m starting to get a handle on editing automation in the event list. IN the mix and edit menu, there doesn’t seem to be an option to just delete visible automation between locators. If that existed then that would certainly make automation editing a lot easier. But I can only find the option to delete the visible automation on the entire track.

Interesting that you’re also using Gemini to try and figure some of this stuff out. I’ve found that to be a bit of a slog, as it seems to make up a lot of commands and menu items that don’t seem to exist. However there are quite a few times when it really has proved brilliantly helpful in working stuff out.

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[TheOreoMonster]

Are you in the Automation event list with Command Control E, and not the MIDI event list with Command 7?

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[Dave Leo Baker]

Yup, command control e. And I had done shift d before first. When it did show automation it only showed the first point at the beginning of the automation, as Fader value 0 at bar 11, and it didn’t show the fade down to bar 12 where there was a second automation point where I’d set the value to 0. I’ll try again with a different project and see. I will have to try another project.    

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[Dave Leo Baker]

I stand corrected. New project, Command control E shows my 2 automation points. And it all looks very editable to me, from the standpoint of me having used the midi event list since I began with Logic in 2018, only made easier due to what it announces now, be it Logic Magician or Logic itself. 

By all the old gods, you guys, I’ve been ok with automation before, but now with this automation list I can move things around without deleting.

If you are using Midi volume = 7 and pan = 10 and that is how it shows up, even though it says fater. 

Before with audio tracks / birds, beach scenes, etc., I have used the fade in / fade out parameters and the curve sliders for each, or even crossfade for loops of waves / surf etc. 

So if any of you have ever used the control option o key to fade out the stereo track, then had to delete tat automation and start it at a different bar, this is one way it would be editable. Because it only shows the 2 points, you can’t adjust the curve so far as I can see, but since I do a lot with midi, I very often record a specific volume fade using my pedal for certain tracks.

If you haven’t done a fade out on stereo before here’s the short version:

You first need to move the project end marker to the end of your track. If you’re using LM it’s easier than it used to be: 

 Push f4 then option w and type the ending bar and press enter. If not using Logic Magician use Item Chooser and search for End Marker, focus that and interact, then move back to where you want it to go, that’s slower LM is a nice improvement here.

Now move the playhead to where you want the fade to start, then push control option o and your stereo output track will also appear in the tracks header if it wasn’t there already.

Now, later on, if you find that you needed to change the length of the fade or the position, you can use command control e to change it. 

This will help me a lot since we do use fades a lot in new age music, especially now where stores / spas / hospitals prefer songs that fade out of and into each other smoothly. 

HTH,

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[TheOreoMonster]

Visible parameters it is going forward for me as well! Thanks for the heads up on this. 

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