I can't find the legacy instruments in Logic Pro 12

[Dave Leo Baker]

So the other day I said I like what they’ve done to a lot of the synths and atmospheres.
But yesterday for funzies I was in a stream with someone, and went to pull up the classical pipe organ patch, used to be under orchestra, just to show them what’s meant by “Takata And Fugue in D Minor,” that’s not a flex btw but I have used elements from that piece in a lot of different contexts before. That organ’s gone. The whole legacy thing is gone. I went into the new sound pacs and did update on each and every one since I couldn’t find the update all sounds or reinstall all sounds.

If they had given us a new pipe organ I wouldn’t be disappointed, or probably not since I’m not an actual organist and don’t have a full organ midi console, just the typical 80s style 2-tier stack. But that organ had controls to change all the registrations and was its own instrument, not just a sample patch. Kind of like how the clonewheel will let you control the internal elements.

I’d like to get the legacy stuff exposed especially since I went thorugh and told each pack to update that had an update button. But no legacy item in the library. it used to be below the World category. Speaking of which some of the legacy world flutes were mixed a bit better for my purposes, but that’s fixable.

Still very happy with the new Mac studio and overall happy with Logic Pro 12, but throwing away the whole pipe organ instrument or making it hard to find seems excessive. It’s not under the sofware instruments plugins either. I’m one of those that doing command option s brings an empty channel strip and I pick what I want from the instruments. Gemini said to go into AU instruments / Apple and I would find it, no dice. I get this was just for funzies and me playing around, I have a couple old patches that use the flute registration of that instrument so I can save myself a patch for the full organ if / when I want, but if someone doesn’t or didn’t have that, they’re out of luck unless there’s a place to expose all those legacy patches.

At least they could have kept Pipe Organ under orchestral / keyboard. I’m not organist enough to go buy Organteq, much as I do love Pianoteq.

Peace,

Dave

[TheOreoMonster]

If you used it in an old project open that and save it as a patch. Then it will show up under user patches. If you remember what instrument it is, load that instrument on a software instrument track and that preset should still be in the instrument.
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[Dave Leo Baker]

Thanks. The instrument was called Church Org, but it was real pipes not grammy’s Lowry hymns organ. There are or were a few software instruments like hybrid bas that never showed up in the instruments list. Great time to go through my projects and save / pull some patches. I guess people who didn’t know about them enough to use those instruments won’t miss them.

Thanks,

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[Kevin Gibbs]

If you never used an instrument in a project, and can’t remember what it is, where would you find it? In other words, where is the pie Borgen now?
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> On Feb 4, 2026, at 3:02 PM, TheOreoMonster <theoreo...@logic.band> wrote:
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> If you used it in an old project open that and save it as a patch. Then it will show up under user patches. If you remember what instrument it is, load that instrument on a software instrument track and that preset should still be in the instrument.

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[Dave Leo Baker]

Unfortunately I have no way of telling you that. I pulled a patch from a project, set it to full organ and saved it as Pipe Organ. All the registrations still work, but you can’t find it in the instrument slots, I even tried searching for organ and even church in the search field from the instrument drop down push 1 and then type in that search field, and use down arrow, if your instrument slot is empty.

Dave

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[TheOreoMonster]

When you pull up the patch what’s the name of the instrument in the instrument slot on the software instrument track?

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[Dave Leo Baker]

Church Org

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[TheOreoMonster]

The old patches are there, just hidden from being shown in the library. So they are preserved for compatibility, but if you didn’t know about them and didn’t use them you won’t know about them now. My guess is they are attempting to de-emphasize the older sounds that are dated and or not very good by today’s standard to put focus on the newer higher quality sounds included.
On one hand I get it, it slows you down to have to scroll through all these outdated sounds you will probably never use to find a sound you want to use. On the other hand if you found an old outdated sound that you like and use a lot or made your own in some way, it’s now a pain to use that sound if you don’t have it saved as a user patch.
From the standpoint of legacy plug ins and or virtual instruments themselves, they appear to still be there as always, but the legacy category when loading a plug in or virtual instrument has always been hidden, you have to Option click the drop down menu to select a plug in or virtual instrument to see the Legacy category towards the bottom of the list.

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[TheOreoMonster]

Could you send me a copy of the patch, I'd like to check something.

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[Dave Leo Baker]

Thanks. So neither Church Org nor Hybrid Bas were there. In my case I have both saved in patches. I get dropping legacy instruments where new ones exist, the new tonewheel organ’s better. But they never replaced the pipes. I guess anyone actually serious about pipes is using Organtech anyway. And all the Hybrid Bas stuff is available in newer better synths. But some of us remember when the Mellotron and Arp machines, even Rhodes pianos, were seen as “old instruments” and the DX7 / D50 “better”, and I guess I see it as a both and. Anyway I’ve beat that horse to death. I was just surprised the whole pipe organ emulator was gone, is all, without a replacement. But I’m hardly the market without a organ midi console and folks like Organteq solve the issue much better.

Dave

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[Dave Leo Baker]

Just sent it to you privately. It’s only a few k so clearly the instrument settings are all there.

Dave

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[Ramy Moustafa Saber]

Please tell us the results,

because i love the legacy patches in some situations.

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[TheOreoMonster]

Right now it appears the easiest thing to do is to probably save a patch from an old project. Then it will be in the user patches in your new projects.

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[Kevin Gibbs]

I never created any large projects in logic using any of these instruments. It appears that you are suggesting that I should go through all these old instruments and save the ones  I like before I update the program. That seems entirely impractical. Have I got this right?

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On Feb 4, 2026, at 5:31 PM, TheOreoMonster <theoreo...@logic.band> wrote:

Right now it appears the easiest thing to do is to probably save a patch from an old project. Then it will be in the user patches in your new projects.

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[Dave Leo Baker]

Save the ones you care about, or think you might care about. I only threw a fit over the pipe organ because it’s not replaceable through other means, not even samples, because that instrument has registrations. Both Alchemy and SAlchemy (sampled alchemy) and even Sampler have some great analog patches if you’re into the retro thing, some Jupy/Prophet/even Juno / Akai type stuff. If you’ve used Logic for awhile and you haven’t used some of the really old synths you prob won’t miss them. To be fair the pipes are pretty rare and I’d be as likely to use it in a industrial / horror context as anything cinematic, meaning not at all like the purists would have it. 

Dave 

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[TheOreoMonster]

If you open an old project in v12 the patch will load fine. If you don’t plan on using them going forward you won’t loose anything. Its not all the old patches that are gone just some really old and relatively dated sounding ones If there is something you want to use that you can’t find in the library that you used previously, then you can open an old project to get access to it and save it as a user patch.

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[Kevin Gibbs]

It. Happens by accident of fait that I did hear a pipe organ in Logic that I thought was okay.  I have a ton of pipe organs and don’t need this one.  I only asked because there’s no way I could go through all the instruments in Logic to find the ones that might be lost with the move.  Fact is, I’m basically a Reaper person who bought Logic when I bought the new Mac and follow its progress out of the corner of my mind’s eye, not much more.

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[Kevin Gibbs]

What are the exact verbatim names of these patches as they were? A friend of mine and Apple wants to know. Please be precise to the letter.
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> On Feb 4, 2026, at 3:52 PM, Dave Leo Baker <davele...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> Thanks. So neither Church Org nor Hybrid Bas were there. In my case I have both saved in patches. I get dropping legacy instruments where new ones exist, the new tonewheel organ’s better. But they never replaced the pipes. I guess anyone actually serious about pipes is using Organtech anyway. And all the Hybrid Bas stuff is available in newer better synths. But some of us remember when the Mellotron and Arp machines, even Rhodes pianos, were seen as “old instruments” and the DX7 / D50 “better”, and I guess I see it as a both and. Anyway I’ve beat that horse to death. I was just surprised the whole pipe organ emulator was gone, is all, without a replacement. But I’m hardly the market without a organ midi console and folks like Organteq solve the issue much better.

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[TheOreoMonster]

It’s possible there is an option I am not thinking of, but short of the logic team publishing a list or someone going through the library folders in 11.2.2 and 12 comparing notes I am not sure there is an easy way to find out. This coupled with the Logic Pro 12 library being re-arranged and now including categories that were previously only available as channel strip settings as patches, the two libraries look different enough that it would take time to comb through and compare.
I don’t think this is a bug as much as. It is a decision to keep the focus on newer sounds without breaking backwards compatibility for old projects. I am sure myself like a a lot of others will experience the frustration of having to go find an old project to bring back a patch I like, so yes I hope they decide in a future version to make all the hidden patches and instruments visible in the legacy category, but I don’t know of an easy way to provide what’s missing short of comparing two different versions of Logic.
I seem to remember in the past hearing of DAW’s dropping old instrument/libraries completely thus breaking backwards compatibility with old projects, so if there is a bright side, at least the backwards compatibility is maintained here.

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[Dave Leo Baker]

Pipe Organ was in Orchestral category, the instrument name is Church Org.

The other instrument I can think of that’s missing is Hybrid Bas, and neither of these instruments ever showed up in the list of instruments, you had to get to them via patches. Smooth Morph and Another World are a couple instruments that used the Hybrid Bas instrument but I can’t remember their categories, like Steve said this stuff’s been moved. They used to be searchable in the library though.

Dave

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[Dave Leo Baker]

Agreed. I just wish they had a way to see the old instruments, that option click is a boon from the gods for sure but doesn’t show these instruments. And where new instruments do better, I get that. But hiding an entire emulator seemed a bit much. Many Hybrid Bas patches if not needed in a project can be somewhat duplicated using Alchemy, like using a Korg to emulate a Roland, only a few would know.

Dave

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[Kevin Gibbs]

it has been suggested to me that you might want to look in the sampler library, as opposed to the patch library. Could someone please do that and get back to me?

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> On Feb 5, 2026, at 7:20 PM, Dave Leo Baker <davele...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> Agreed. I just wish they had a way to see the old instruments, that option click is a boon from the gods for sure but doesn’t show these instruments. And where new instruments do better, I get that. But hiding an entire emulator seemed a bit much. Many Hybrid Bas patches if not needed in a project can be somewhat duplicated using Alchemy, like using a Korg to emulate a Roland, only a few would know.

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[Dave Leo Baker]

Church Org is not a Sampler instrument not directly. Not sure how to get into the sampler library. Hybrid Bas is its own instrument with unique if limited settings options. Sounds like they don’t know. We have the old patches if we have them I guess. 

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[TheOreoMonster]

Any patch that used the sampler as the instrument in the patch still has that particular Sampler instrument you can load as a preset in the sampler. However, unless they used auto sampler to convert all the old instruments into sampler instruments or sample libraries they wouldn’t be in the sampler now. I looked through the sampler and didn’t’ see church org in any of the preset folders you would expect to see it in, and given that the sampler preset folder seems to follow a similar folder structure to the library, I assumed it would be in a similar location to where it would of been in the library. However much like the library, there is a lot of presets categories to comb through in the Sampler so I didn’t check them all.
Also, if they did auto sample them into the sampler, as dLB said, there is probably some control that would be lost that made those instruments work as well as they did.
As I stated earlier this is less of a bug that needs to be fixed and more feedback that it would be a happy medium if these instruments and patches were visible in their respective Legacy category or similar in a future update.
For someone like you who isn’t an active Logic user and may not have ever used any of these sounds, and wouldn’t. Miss them if you were to start using Logic tomorrow, this seems a bit of an odd thing to get hyper focused on. Please help me understand what I am missing here? I am not down playing the frustrating moments of having to go dig up an old sound you took a liking to when you realized it’s hidden, but I’d argue there is bigger fish to fry if your contact at apple has a empathetic ear and is willing to try and bat for us on the inside.

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