Hopefully a very basic sliders queery

[David Eagle]

Hi all, long time lurker, firs time emailer. I’ve recently started using Logic, having come from Reaper on Windows, which I love and will probably still use from time to time. I hope that admission doesn’t get me blacklisted. I don’t know how vehemently territorial you people are :D

Anyway, thanks Tom, AKA Orio Monster for the wonderful Youtube videos. I’m steadily going through the members only material and am finding that and Logic Magician absolutely brilliant. 

I feel like this must have been addressed somewhere, but my brain is addled from taking in lots of information, plus Googling has yielded nothing. I can’t work out how to adjust my sliders In smaller increments? I’m talking here about when I’m in an effect in a controls view table. I can’t work out how to move my sliders by a small amount, and I can’t seemingly type in a value anywhere? It feels like a very beginner question. I’ve managed to create a whole finished project without issue, but this basic sliders thing is alluding me. Thanks all. 

[Dave Leo Baker]

To move the sliders by smaller increments, add shift to your vo + arrow keys. 

Some "sliders" like for key limit (keyboard splits) or even some realsliders like transpose, use option w after you selected that parameter with the keystroke, this is specific to Logic Magician. 

hth

Dave

On Apr 11, 2026, at 6:16 AM, 'David Eagle' via Logic Accessibility <logic-acc...@googlegroups.com> wrote:



Hi all, long time lurker, firs time emailer. I’ve recently started using Logic, having come from Reaper on Windows, which I love and will probably still use from time to time. I hope that admission doesn’t get me blacklisted. I don’t know how vehemently territorial you people are :D

Anyway, thanks Tom, AKA Orio Monster for the wonderful Youtube videos. I’m steadily going through the members only material and am finding that and Logic Magician absolutely brilliant. 

I feel like this must have been addressed somewhere, but my brain is addled from taking in lots of information, plus Googling has yielded nothing. I can’t work out how to adjust my sliders In smaller increments? I’m talking here about when I’m in an effect in a controls view table. I can’t work out how to move my sliders by a small amount, and I can’t seemingly type in a value anywhere? It feels like a very beginner question. I’ve managed to create a whole finished project without issue, but this basic sliders thing is alluding me. Thanks all. 

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[David Eagle]

Aha, thanks very much. I’m sure last night I tried pressing VO shift and left and right arrow, but it was getting rather late. But at least my question prompted you to also mention the shift W shortcut, which I forgot about. So much to learn, and I’ not very methodical or patient, so I’ve started off by working on a rather complex project, but I’m getting there. I’ve noticed that Logic Magician doesn’t seem to exit when I go into the keymappings bit with Option K, and I’ve inadvertently been turning on latch automation and goodness knows what, so I must remember to press control escape before going into that. My last weird issue was that the tape delay plugin had loads of dimmed sliders, and I couldn’t work out how to change the delay note/beat value, or the free and sync button. So I gave up and am having a lot more joy with the stereo delay. Thanks very much for the help. That slider question was indeed incredibly basic and probably just needed me to take a deep breath and pause for a second, but thanks for the speedy response.

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[TheOreoMonster]

That’s odd, Option K is one of the windows that should disable Logic Magician. If you however don’t close it but say switch back to the logic main window and then turn Logic magician back on, then when you switch back to the Key commands window  Logic Magician will still be on. Just close and re-open the window  it should maintain your place till you close the window.

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[TheOreoMonster]

Interact with the group and then you can VO Space on either to  change. The free or sync buttons. If you select sync you can select a beat division. If you select free, then you will need to use the Millisecond slider to set the delay time. The Stereo Delay is one of my favorite delay plug ins overall, and a prime example of what a stock delay plug in should be, I am looking at you ReaDelay … 

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[Dewald van Deventer]

In some sliders though, in the case of changing fades and position of midi notes, what keyboard shortcut would you use there since the VO plus arrows just moves to the next slider or item in the table? 

And also if someone can properly explain how the different sliders in one slider works? 

I mean, sometimes you get a group 0, group 1, and so on with different values you could change like position, where you could change the minute and second, or bars, beats, ticks etc. 

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On 12 Apr 2026, at 00:07, 'David Eagle' via Logic Accessibility <logic-acc...@googlegroups.com> wrote:

Aha, thanks very much. I’m sure last night I tried pressing VO shift and left and right arrow, but it was getting rather late. But at least my question prompted you to also mention the shift W shortcut, which I forgot about. So much to learn, and I’ not very methodical or patient, so I’ve started off by working on a rather complex project, but I’m getting there. I’ve noticed that Logic Magician doesn’t seem to exit when I go into the keymappings bit with Option K, and I’ve inadvertently been turning on latch automation and goodness knows what, so I must remember to press control escape before going into that. My last weird issue was that the tape delay plugin had loads of dimmed sliders, and I couldn’t work out how to change the delay note/beat value, or the free and sync button. So I gave up and am having a lot more joy with the stereo delay. Thanks very much for the help. That slider question was indeed incredibly basic and probably just needed me to take a deep breath and pause for a second, but thanks for the speedy response.

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[David Eagle]

Hi, surely it won’t move to the next item in the table if you first interact with the slider with VO shift and down arrow? I notice that in effects you seemingly have to interact with the parameter in the table, then VO right arrow to the slider and then interact with that. Coming from Windows, Apple seem to like their key presses. Why have one key stroke when you can have sixteen? I’m obviously exaggerating there for very mild comedic effect.

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[TheOreoMonster]

If you are using Logic Magician, fades are left or right arrow to select the appropriate fade and then control up/down or control shift up/down to move in smaller increments.

Regarding MIDI it sounds like you are using the event list. You can double click on the slider group and type in the value you’d like to use. VO Shift Space Twice quickly. (Hold down VO and shift and hit space bar twice  quickly) and type in the value with a space for each section bar 1 beat 2 would just be one space 2 then return. Bar 1 would just be 1 return. This will work for the length and or position group. Otherwise  if you interact with the group you will need to interact with each slider group individually before adjusting them.

That being said, key commands like semi colon to move the selected event to the playhead, or command Right bracket to set the end of the select event to the playhead are handy ways to not have to bother with typing in a value or interacting with the sliders and comes in handy if you use the piano roll instead of the event list.

The Event List and Piano Roll Playlist covers this  sort of stuff 

And the working with regions playlist is worth a watch as well as a lot of things that relate to selecting, editing, copy, repeat, etc with regions apply to the events in the event list or piano roll.

Watch, Have a demo project to try stuff, and ask questions as always when you get stuck. Of course if you’d like some personal 1 on 1 assistance, I’d love to work with you as well.

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[David Eagle]

Hi again, I’m trying to do a fade in on a region, but I can’t work out how to move in smaller increments. I press VO shift and right arrow on the fade in slider, but it moves me from no fade at all, to a fade of about 2 seconds. Pressing VO and right arrows moves me in even larger increments? Thanks.

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Double click and type in a value … or use Logic Magician.

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On Apr 13, 2026, at 7:27 AM, 'David Eagle' via Logic Accessibility <logic-acc...@googlegroups.com> wrote:

Hi again, I’m trying to do a fade in on a region, but I can’t work out how to move in smaller increments. I press VO shift and right arrow on the fade in slider, but it moves me from no fade at all, to a fade of about 2 seconds. Pressing VO and right arrows moves me in even larger increments? Thanks.

On Sun, 12 Apr 2026 at 16:57, TheOreoMonster <theoreo...@logic.band> wrote:

If you are using Logic Magician, fades are left or right arrow to select the appropriate fade and then control up/down or control shift up/down to move in smaller increments.

Regarding MIDI it sounds like you are using the event list. You can double click on the slider group and type in the value you’d like to use. VO Shift Space Twice quickly. (Hold down VO and shift and hit space bar twice  quickly) and type in the value with a space for each section bar 1 beat 2 would just be one space 2 then return. Bar 1 would just be 1 return. This will work for the length and or position group. Otherwise  if you interact with the group you will need to interact with each slider group individually before adjusting them.

That being said, key commands like semi colon to move the selected event to the playhead, or command Right bracket to set the end of the select event to the playhead are handy ways to not have to bother with typing in a value or interacting with the sliders and comes in handy if you use the piano roll instead of the event list.

The Event List and Piano Roll Playlist covers this  sort of stuff 

And the working with regions playlist is worth a watch as well as a lot of things that relate to selecting, editing, copy, repeat, etc with regions apply to the events in the event list or piano roll.

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[Daniel Contreras]

Hello, 

I’m not sure if this  interrupts any LM functions, but once you move the slider once, you can use hyphen and equals to change those sliders as well. Those keys alone will move by increments of 1, and adding the shift key moves by 10s. Hope this helps 

Daniel  

On Apr 13, 2026, at 9:27 AM, 'David Eagle' via Logic Accessibility <logic-acc...@googlegroups.com> wrote:

Hi again, I’m trying to do a fade in on a region, but I can’t work out how to move in smaller increments. I press VO shift and right arrow on the fade in slider, but it moves me from no fade at all, to a fade of about 2 seconds. Pressing VO and right arrows moves me in even larger increments? Thanks.

On Sun, 12 Apr 2026 at 16:57, TheOreoMonster <theoreo...@logic.band> wrote:

If you are using Logic Magician, fades are left or right arrow to select the appropriate fade and then control up/down or control shift up/down to move in smaller increments.

Regarding MIDI it sounds like you are using the event list. You can double click on the slider group and type in the value you’d like to use. VO Shift Space Twice quickly. (Hold down VO and shift and hit space bar twice  quickly) and type in the value with a space for each section bar 1 beat 2 would just be one space 2 then return. Bar 1 would just be 1 return. This will work for the length and or position group. Otherwise  if you interact with the group you will need to interact with each slider group individually before adjusting them.

That being said, key commands like semi colon to move the selected event to the playhead, or command Right bracket to set the end of the select event to the playhead are handy ways to not have to bother with typing in a value or interacting with the sliders and comes in handy if you use the piano roll instead of the event list.

The Event List and Piano Roll Playlist covers this  sort of stuff 

And the working with regions playlist is worth a watch as well as a lot of things that relate to selecting, editing, copy, repeat, etc with regions apply to the events in the event list or piano roll.

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[Dave Leo Baker]

Ooh that’s very nice. I had used to only type in the values, and recently use LM after learning about it. But these additional keys are really helpful thanks.

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[David Eagle]

Hiya, I am using Logic Magician. I’ve tried reading the documentation, but seemingly Apple Books on the Mac is an infuriatingly belligerent untameable beast that has sent me reeling into a pit of existential despair. I managed to read a bit of a chapter about the region inspector, before I got kicked out of the content window and then couldn’t get back to that particular bit. I feel very stupid writing this because surely it can’t be difficult to use Apple Books, but It’s tested my abilities to the limit. The problem is that I try to work out how to do something in Logic, and then I try to research how to do something by reading the documentation, and I end up trying to fathom out how to use Apple Books. A text only version would be a warm and comforting embrace, if possible. Anyway, what I managed to glean about region fading before Apple Books destroyed my soul, was you press control and 5 on a region. Then you press control up arrow to change the curve. The documentation seemed to suggest that with fades you pressed control left and right arrow, but control up and down seem to change things, whereas control left and right don’t announce anything. I notice though in the fades bit of the region inspector that there are two sliders for fade. One for curve, and one for something else? So that confused me somewhat too. Thanks very much for any help you can give on this. And if you have a text only version of the documentation, or know any tricks to mollify Apple Books into not being a bastard, that would be greatly appreciated also. 

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[David Eagle]

HI, just tried that and when I go to documentation, it just takes me to the window where I can save the EPub file?

I’ve airdropped the documentation to my iPhone and that’s a lot easier to follow. And now I’ve read the bit about fades, and it has confused me a bit. It says that you press control left and right to change fade, but it’s control up and down that seems to change things. 

[David Eagle]

Aha! Solved the problem. I went back to the Youtube video about Mac settings to change and realised that I’d not turned off the options in Mission Control that use control left and right arrow. Now I’ve turned that off, fading in and out is working. Thanks again Tom for these videos. It’s a great help. 

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HI, just tried that and when I go to documentation, it just takes me to the window where I can save the EPub file?

I’ve airdropped the documentation to my iPhone and that’s a lot easier to follow. And now I’ve read the bit about fades, and it has confused me a bit. It says that you press control left and right to change fade, but it’s control up and down that seems to change things. 

[TheOreoMonster]

If you are using Logic Magician, fades are control left or right arrow to select the appropriate fade and then control up/down or control shift up/down to move in smaller increments.

For example Control left selects fade in. Then you can use control up/down or control shift up/down to adjust the value.

Control 5 or 6 lets you select the fade in or out curve and then you can adjust that with control up/down after selecting it as well.

Double press of Control 5 or 6 or 7 gives the options you would get if you VO space on the  fade in or out or type pop up buttons in the inspector, like switching to slow down, speed up or cross fading.

For example you will double press control 7 to change the type from out to x fade , then press control right to select fade out which is now the crossfade fader and then use control up/down or control shift up/down to adjust the fade out amount.

If you double press Control 5 you can change it from fade in curve to Speed up , and now when you press control left   in stead of being fade in it will adjust the speed up amount.

You can double press control 6 and switch the fade out curve to slow down (tape stop effect) and then when you press Control right instead of it being fade out it’s now  the slow down  thats selected. Then you can use control up/down or control shift up/down to adjust the slow down amount.

Anyone familiar with fade in Logic probably recognizes the functionality,  Logic Magician provides key commands so you don’t have to navigate into the inspector to do this. You can select a region, and manipulate it with key commands. 

In general  Control plus number are parameters in the region inspector. Fade in and Fade out is on Control left or right  so they are quickly available as it’s probably one thing you may want to do frequently.

Track inspector is Control Shift numbers. 

Plug ins are just numbers with x dropping down the menu to change a plug in and dash opening the plug in and Shift numbers for send.

I’ll update the Logic Magician Documentation with some more details on the fade behavior as explained above.

Regarding the documentation, maintaining and editing a large text file is a pain. Managing a document with chapters is a lot smoother and easier. It’s also more beneficial as you can quickly jump to the appropriate chapter and click a link to jump to a different chapter from the one you are currently reading to see more details about something referenced in that previous chapter. 

I can understand why if one isn’t familiar or comfortable  with the apple books process especially on Mac OS why they may not agree with this assessment. I am not saying Apple Books is without its flaws but I believe learning to use it or similar book reading apps like Thorium has its benefits. You can of course always convert to text or another format of your choosing. I am looking into other formats that it can be converted and distributed into that maintain the chapter and bookmarking functionality that I believe can be valuable for a document you will be referencing from time to time. 

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On Apr 13, 2026, at 11:15 AM, 'David Eagle' via Logic Accessibility <logic-acc...@googlegroups.com> wrote:

HI, just tried that and when I go to documentation, it just takes me to the window where I can save the EPub file?

I’ve airdropped the documentation to my iPhone and that’s a lot easier to follow. And now I’ve read the bit about fades, and it has confused me a bit. It says that you press control left and right to change fade, but it’s control up and down that seems to change things. 

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[TheOreoMonster]

I forgot about the plus and minus thing, probably because I rarely used it even before Logic Magician. The big advantage to Logic Magician is you don’t have to actually go into the inspector to find the slider you can adjust all the region and track inspector parameters with a key command to select and control up/down or control shift up/down. Or press Shift W to reset or Option W to type in a value.

However for the most part logic functionality shouldn’t be disturbed by Logic Magician except in a few rare pop over windows  that Logic Magician can’t track like the Virtual typing keyboard, and some of the ones in the session player for selecting patterns and the like. 

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[David Eagle]

Ah that's wonderful. Thanks for the comprehensive response. That's a great help. Thanks Tom.

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