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Subject: Notice Thread for June LNC Meeting
LNC Board Members,
This is the Notice Thread for the LNC Special Monthly Meeting on Sunday, June 7th, 2026 at 7:00 p.m. ET
In notice of an item you would like added to the agenda, please include a subject headline, brief description, proposed time allotment, motions in writing, and any accompanying documents.
Agenda Requests and Reports Notice deadline is 06/02/26
In Liberty,
Jonathan McGee
Secretary, Libertarian National Committee
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I will need to address the ongoing Maryland and upcoming Massachusetts petition drives and will make a request to amend the 2026 budget for them. Thanks, Bill Redpath
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Colleagues,
Subject for agenda item: EPCC Policy manual amendment
Policy manual states Epcc has Three (3) LNC members other
than the LNC Chair. I notice that we move to amend the policy manual to match the appointment we made at our last meeting.
1.03 epcc section would then read
Five (5) LNC members other
than the LNC Chair.
Requesting 5 minutes
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Greetings,
Massachusetts is quite interested in the petition drive item for their state.
Mr. Redpath, please let me know if there is any additional information, or prerequisite steps that are needed from them to facilitate this.
The time available to get this underway is quite short, and it sounds like achieving that ballot access to lay groundwork for the '28 cycle this year, rather than later is an important and worthwhile goal.
Thank you.
Alfa Shaw
Region 9
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Get the petition ready and start gathering signatures. Please call me at 703-864-2132 to talk. The person heading up the petition drive should be on the call. For me, no need to set up a time. Just call me. Thanks, Bill Redpath
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From: Jonathan McGee <jonatha...@lp.org>
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I am proposing a policy manual amendment of 1.07.8, the current wording is:
"Electronic meetings are special meetings such that only the topics listed in the call of the meeting may be considered during the meeting; however, a regular meeting may be adjourned to an electronic meeting which shall be a continuation of that regular meeting."
I am proposing that it be amended to:
"Electronic meetings can be regular or special meetings subject to the call of the chair. Regular meetings must have at least seven days notice. Special meetings must have at least five days notice."
Jonathan McGee
Secretary, Libertarian National Committee
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Motion:
I move that the Libertarian National Committee direct the Head Teller to dispose of all ballots cast at 60 days after adjourning the 2026 Libertarian National Convention.
Rationale:
During the post-convention meeting's public comment period, the Honorable Head Teller Mike Seebeck sought direction from the Libertarian National Committee regarding the disposal of the convention ballots and related paper records. As no direction was provided
at that time, he retained custody of those materials and has stored them pending guidance from the Committee.
I would also like to take this opportunity to thank every member of the teller team for their service, sacrifice, professionalism, and countless hours of work throughout the convention. Their efforts helped ensure a fair, accurate, and transparent election
process, and the Party is grateful for their dedication.
Thanks to:
Chance Haywood
Autumn Pangia
Data Logan
James St. John
Kenny Martens
Chris Ganiere
Eric Lund
Keith Laube
Robin Jones
John Seebeck
Chloe Meinshausen
Jay Gillotte
Peace 🕊️ ✌️ and Love,
Walk Worthy!
Tyler Danke
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From: Austin Martin <austin...@lp.org>
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Aloha!
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I have two Items below for which I am providing notice.
Motion 1.
Motion to Substitute Mr. Danke's Proposed Motion:
I move to substitute the following for the pending motion relating to convention ballot records.
"The Libertarian National Committee directs the Head Teller to retain all ballots cast and all related paper records from the 2026 Libertarian National Convention until both of the following have occurred:
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First, the data-security investigation referenced in the former Secretary's February 19, 2026 notice, including the cyber-insurance carrier's review, has been formally closed and reported to the Committee.
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Second, all litigation holds and records-preservation duties affecting LNC records have been released.
In no event shall these records be destroyed sooner than twenty-two months after the close of the Convention. Any destruction thereafter requires an affirmative vote of the Committee.
Rationale:
Former Secretary McMahon's February 19, 2026 notice states that data and activity-log retention procedures are in effect and that the carrier investigation remains open pending a full report. While that investigation is open, and while the Committee remains
under active or pending litigation, calendaring the destruction of primary election records is premature and inconsistent with the Committee's own stated retention obligations. Twenty-two months reflects standard election-records retention practice.
The 22-month floor mirrors the federal election-records retention period under 52 U.S.C. § 20701.
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Motion 2.
Executive Session, Pending and Anticipated Legal Matters
Description: Closed-session discussion of pending and reasonably anticipated litigation affecting the LNC, including records-preservation and litigation-hold obligations and their bearing on custody and disposition of convention records. Operative
motions, if any, will be made in open session.
Time requested: 30 minutes
Motion: "I move that the Libertarian National Committee enter executive session to discuss pending and reasonably anticipated legal matters, including existing litigation-hold and records-preservation obligations and their effect on the custody and disposition
of convention ballots and related paper records. Any operative motion arising from this discussion will be made in open session."
Mahalo for your kokua to these important items.
Austin Martin
Region 1
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I am proposing a policy manual amendment of 1.01.1 to clarify the responsibilities and privileges of Regional Representatives and Alternates.
The current wording of 1.01.1 is:
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Participation by LNC Alternates at Meetings
Free substitution of Alternates for Regional Representatives at LNC meetings is permitted.
I propose that it be amended to:
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Participation by LNC Alternates at Meetings
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Free substitution of Alternates for Regional Representatives at LNC meetings is permitted. When a Regional Representative is absent or explicitly cedes their seat, the designated Alternate shall assume all rights and duties of the Representative for the duration of the absence or specific item of business.
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Except when acting in place of a Representative under Section 1, an Alternate shall not vote, make or second motions, cosponsor items, or speak in debate.
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An Alternate may cast an email ballot. If their corresponding Regional Representative also votes on that ballot, or explicitly abstains before the voting period closes, the Representative's action shall supersede the Alternate's vote, and the Alternate's ballot shall not be counted.
In Liberty,
Amanda Griffiths
Vice Chair, Libertarian National Committee
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From: Travis Bost <travi...@lp.org>
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Madame Vice Chair,
Notice has passed, but would you be willing to workshop this offline prior to the July meeting?
In Liberty,
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I would be fine with that. I was informed by the Chair that the notice deadline was in fact today, so I will defer to his ruling.
Amanda
Vice Chair, Libertarian National Committee
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From: Alfa Shaw <alfa...@lp.org>
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I would be interested in participating in the workshopping that Mr. Bost proposed.
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From: Austin Martin <austin...@lp.org>
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Aloha!
I would be interested in work-shopping this as well, though I admit I am skeptical about why some feel we need to improperly restrict the rights of alternates; my driving concern is that this proposal would violate regional autonomy and the bylaws. I am keen
to be involved in the process to uphold member rights. Count me in.
Mahalo!
Austin Martin
R1
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From: Richard Longstreth <richard.l...@lp.org>
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I would be happy to help with this proposal, as well.
Respectfully,
Richard Longstreth
At-Large Representative
Libertarian National Committee
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Hey Amanda, thanks for bringing this proposal, I also would be interested in work shopping this with you.
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Thanks to everyone for the offers to workshop. Originally the idea had been to codify the typical process (from which the last LNC somewhat sporadically deviated), but one deviation I would like to see from that process is that alternates
should be able to speak in debate, so I hope we can agree on that change.
Otherwise, it seems like a simple matter of clarifying (with some elaboration) that Reps vote when Reps are seated; and Alts vote when they are not.
Appreciate again the offers to help,
Amanda
Vice Chair, Libertarian National Committee
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Amanda,
I appreciate the spirit of codification but wonder if that step is entirely necessary, and what prompts the need now?
Policy Manual, Section 1.01-1 Participation by LNC Representatives at Meetings
states: "Free substitution of Alternates for Regional Representatives at LNC meetings is permitted."
That policy seems pretty simple to me, but maybe I am missing some historical evidence of this system not working or creating conflict I am unaware of; I am open to being informed if I am incorrect on this matter.
As far as I can see, the Policy Manual lays it out plainly, and the proposed amendment seems a bit redundant. As long as inner friction between Alts and Reps doesn't translate into voting authority confusion, I don't see the need to fix what isn't already broken.
Appreciate your time on this,
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Greetings,
My thoughts on the matter are that Alts are LNC members but without voting privileges.
The removal of the ability for Alts to:
Bring motions, (although require second from a voting member)
Motion to- Call Question, Amend, Divide, Table, Postpone, Extend or limit time, and participate in debate.
Seems to be in opposition to traditions of the LNC.
As Ex Officio members of the body, with specific limitations as to when they can vote, the removal of the ability for Alts to do all if the above things doesn't seem to gel with their status as LNC members.
According to RONR, if something is not addressed specifically in bylaws it defaults to RONR, abd in the absence of specific guidance there, defaults to the traditions of the organization.
Under Robert’s Rules of Order Newly Revised (RONR, the LNC’s parliamentary authority), established custom has significant authority.
Even a chair cannot arbitrarily restrict recognized rights without clear authority in the bylaws, special rules, or standing rules.
The policy manual amendment that is being proposed, I suspect is being brought due to the necessity to have such a written rule, because without such a rule, the authority of custom of the body cannot properly be overridden.
I invite discussion on this matter, with the hope that a reasonable compromise can be made that addresses the concerns (which have yet to be stated) that are driving the introduction of this amendment.
Thank you.
Alfa Shaw
Region 6
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Subject: Re: Notice Thread for June LNC Meeting
In re-reading what you wrote, I realize that I may have misunderstood.
Are you saying you would like to amend the manual to only clarify the process of voting by Rep/Alts instead of taking the step of codifying the typical process? My original points still stand, just realizing my first question may not be as relevant if I misread
your intent.
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Subject: Re: Notice Thread for June LNC Meeting
Hi Sonja, Alfa, and others:
To Sonja's question (and a bit to Alfa's as well), there is a history of Reps and Alts swapping out mid-item, since "free substitution" is not thoroughly defined in the present manual. In the past, when this occurred, it had been difficult to keep track of
who was serving as the rep at any given time, owing to a lack of proper notice as to whether a Rep had ceded their seat. The idea of this amendment is, essentially, to say that Reps (1) need to make clear that they are ceding, or (2) need to not be seated,
in order for Alts to assume the role of Rep. Otherwise, we effectively have two Reps per region operating at all times.
I don't regard that as a problem from a numbers standpoint (I have heard others express such concerns, however), but seeing as Alts are not covered under the LNC's insurance policy, it creates some legal questions if there is one group of representatives who
are insured and another who are not, even if they enjoy the same privileges at the same times. I invite those who have raised such concerns to elaborate on these, either here or offline.
From those who have been on the LNC longer than I have, it also appears that the traditional method was indeed to have Alts "seen and not heard", although I break from this preference in that I would appreciate having alts capable of debating as long as it
is in order, and (perhaps) if they are recognized by their Rep. The earlier practice would not have allowed for this, so that might be a point of contention during workshopping.
In sum: There has been a break from the way of "traditionally" doing things, which I don't regard as an issue in and of itself; but because that break was somewhat arbitrary, it resulted in unintended consequences that made it challenging to determine when
a Rep vs. an Alt was seated. There are also certain privileges that apply to seated members; and there remains question as to what those privileges are—which is, again, a topic for workshopping.
Amanda
Vice Chair, Libertarian National Committee
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Aloha,
I noticed an issue:
About your statement: "to say that Reps (1) need to make clear that they are ceding, or (2) need to not be seated, in order for Alts to assume the role of Rep" — would this not completely violate and invert the meaning of the phrase "free substitution"?
Former JC decisions consistently ruled in favor of broad alternate participation, and suppression of their rights as members as illegitimate uses of power. There's no confusion over this issue at all. There is resentment over my expression of unauthorized opinions
in my capacity as an alternate, and my attempts to use my rights as a director to obtain documents and records, as was my right.
I am no longer an alt, so this seems like a solution in search of problem.
For instance: if I were in a car accident during an electronic meeting and could not vote, "Free Substitution" prevents my region's rights from being impacted through my alt. Your proposed policy would require specific advanced notice of said car accident,
or else my region rights could be diminished or nullified. To me, it makes this seem like a Machiavellian power play, offering apparent reasons to suspect bad faith and foul play, without any legitimate problem to actually solve. Let me elaborate:
The Hegelian dialectic demands the Machiavellian operators create a problem to fix, with solution always being to give the bastards who created the problem even more power; could you try to convince me this is not the case here?
For example, you raise a false argument that "The earlier practice would not have allowed for this" (an outright lie). This is severely misleading — this practice you reference violated the bylaws and policy manual when it was performed. It was never legitimate.
The alts are directors, no matter how much some folks try to diminish their standing with ultra vires acts like this proposed amendment.
Speaking frankly, based on what you said, this entire policy manual amendment seems like a scripted controversy. It is a naked attempt to unlawfully target member rights in direct violation of the bylaws, DC Law, and our existing policy manual, Amanda.
Was there an actual reason for your proposal other than sheer contempt for rules that protect fair and open democratic processes, or is this basically the same principal as Mr. Danke's motion to cover up election fraud?
Mahalo for your careful consideration!
Austin Martin
R1
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Aloha!
You are going to need to debrief me on Mr. Danke's motion to cover up election fraud.
Apart from that, I am ignoring the gross mischaracterization of both myself and Machiavelli as Hegelians (who merely sought to fix Plato, and ended up making him so much worse, whereas Machiavelli's treatment of opposition is more Heraclitan but let's not waste
time); and instead commending you for your astute illustration of precisely how "free substitution" needs to be clarified, since different individuals have taken it to mean plenty of different things.
As ever, I look forward to workshopping this with you.
Amanda
Vice Chair, Libertarian National Committee
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Likewise.
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Interesting email chain. Informative. Thanks to all who shared.
Best,
Barbara Engelhardt
Reg 4 Alt Rep
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Aloha, Amanda!
Due to my aesthetic allergy toward sloppy, half-baked, institutional philosophy, I feel obliged to offer you a formal critique to your critique of my invocation of Hegel.
Premise 1: Hegel famously stated that "there is no proposition of Heraclitus which I have not adopted in my Logic," viewing Heraclitus’s doctrine of flux as the transition from the abstract categories of Being and Nothing to the concrete reality of Becoming.
Premise 2: Heraclitus emphasized the identity in difference and the creative role of conflict (polemos) in nature, whereas Hegel systematized this into a structured dialectical process involving self-differentiation and the overcoming of finite contradictions
to reach absolute unity.
Conclusion: Therefore, for one to suggest error of my reference of the Hegelian dialectic as being a persuasive mode of Machiavellians, (which you correctly attributed toward Heraclitus' paradigm) is a meaningless distinction and an irrational argument.
I said what I meant and am happy to defend it academically.
Austin Martin
R1
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As an engineer, my instinct is to look at this through the lens of physics rather than philosophy.
Think about Newton and Einstein. Einstein was heavily influenced by Newton and built directly on his concepts. But if someone argued, "Einstein borrowed from Newton, so distinguishing between Newtonian mechanics and relativity is meaningless," nobody would
buy it.
The same applies here. Just because Hegel was influenced by Heraclitus doesn't mean the differences between their ideas don't matter. Historical lineage is not the same thing as conceptual equivalence.
That said, I suspect we’ve now spent way more time debating philosophy and history than this Policy Manual amendment actually warrants. I’m happy to leave the seminar behind and get back to the practical question: Does this amendment solve a real problem, or
does it create new ones? I think the idea of actual workshopping solves that problem.
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Mimi, Amanda, Austin,
My concern, although I hate interrupting all these delightful philosophical ponderings, is that this amendment being discussed (Section 1.01-01) is for something that doesn't even need to be amended in the first place. Is the process broken? At what exact point
did it break? Adding more rules, more laws, more bureaucracy just feels so...un-libertarian to me. Reps vote. Alts don't unless their Reps cannot. Simple. All can engage in debate. It's already in the manual. Why are we re-inventing the wheel here? Theres
a lot of accomplished, smart and creative people on this LNC, why are we bothering with this minutia?
If we are digging into the nitty-gritty, can we talk about how special meetings (aka electronic meetings) need to have a stated agenda and purpose upon calling the meeting in the first place? Sure it sounds boring but if we are going to argue the tedious details
of what is already clearly stated in the policy manual. I would be remiss in not stating that the calling of our meeting on 6/7 is
already out of order as a special meeting was not called with a specific and stated purpose and is being treated as a regular meeting instead. This proper meeting procedure is written clearly in Section 1.07-08
Electronic Meetings of the policy manual.
That being said, I am not opposed to the process already in place and the meeting that is already set forth in the record but if we are to be absolutely diligent, as the VC suggested, in interpreting the policy manual, there is already much amiss as far as
procedural duty goes.
For the record I am against any change to the policy manual regarding 1.07-08
Electronic Meetings and 1.01-01 Participation by LNC Alternates at Meetings
due to major concerns regarding already violated procedure and the LNC as a whole operating outside of its own policy manual beginning 5/25.
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Aloha!
That's super interesting. Anyway, I hereby
move the following resolution of censure:
"WHEREAS Region 4 is comprised entirely of Californians,
THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED that the LNC hereby censures Region 4 for being Californian."
Respectfully submitted this June 4th, 2026
Austin Martin
Region 1
Join the fight and support the war on California by donating at the link below:
Lp.org/martindonor
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Aloha, Austin,
Mimi has put things well. I am also happy to discuss this literal chapter of my dissertation in greater depth offline.
In Liberty,
Amanda
Vice Chair, Libertarian National Committee
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I am still awaiting an opportunity to apply the substance of my completed dissertation to the workings of this body. As soon as there is a sense that “teamwork” is the overall goal here, that time will have arrived.
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As a matter of clerical correction, I previously proposed and amendment to Policy Manual Section
1.07.8, That should have been Section 1.02.7.
In Liberty,
Jonathan McGee
Secretary, Libertarian National Committee
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