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From: Evan McMahon <evan.m...@lp.org>
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Subject: EMAIL BALLOT 20251015-01 ICE Resolution
We have an LNC email ballot. Votes are due to the LNC List on this email thread by 11:59 pm Pacific Time on October 22nd, 2025.
Resolution:
We hold that human rights should not be denied or abridged on the basis of nationality. We condemn massive roundups of Hispanic Americans and others by the federal government in its hunt for individuals not possessing required government documents. We strongly
oppose all measures that would punish employers who hire undocumented workers. Such measures repress free enterprise, harass Workers, and systematically discourage employers from hiring Hispanics.
Undocumented non-citizens should not be denied the fundamental freedom to labor and to move about unmolested. Furthermore, immigration must not be restricted for reasons of race, religion, political creed, age, or sexual preference.
We, therefore, call for the elimination of all restrictions on immigration, the abolition of I.C.E. and the Border Patrol, and a declaration of full amnesty for all people who have entered the country illegally.
Co-Sponsors: Thompson, Bost, Knebel, Bohler
Vote Threshold Required: ¾ Majority
Secretary’s Notes: None
Vote Tracker: https://tinyurl.com/101525ICE
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Subject: Re: EMAIL BALLOT 20251015-01 ICE Resolution
Yes
Travis L. Bost
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Subject: Re: EMAIL BALLOT 20251015-01 ICE Resolution
Yes
Keith Thompson
Region 3 South Rep
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Subject: Re: EMAIL BALLOT 20251015-01 ICE Resolution
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Subject: Re: EMAIL BALLOT 20251015-01 ICE Resolution
Yes
Doug Knebel
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From: Austin Martin <austin...@lp.org>
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Subject: Re: EMAIL BALLOT 20251015-01 ICE Resolution
I am making a request to debate on the following grounds:
I absolutely support the freedom of movement, however, I think it is a mistake to frame this in the context of unlimited, global human rights, and as if present immigration enforcement actions were solely an expression of racial animus — it is misleading and
dishonest. Freedom of movement does not necessarily demand us to adopt an unreasonable and utopian open-borders policy position as a practical solution. I agree that would be philosophically noble, but at present, it would interpret a globalized "human right"
to come for free to the US and benefit from the US welfare state at the expense of the US taxpayers. This doesn't seem like a legitimate demand, except as a pretext for worldwide government. Indeed, that's what many of the lefty open-borders folks seem to
want: an end to the nation-state and a global government to forever end "nationalism". This is incompatible with Libertarianism, which favors localism and small government, not worldwide empires.
I think the winning ground here is to insist that all government and law enforcement operations must obey the 4th amendment, even when conducting immigration enforcement. This would protect individual rights, without being unreasonable and callous toward native
populations. It is right to assert that the present actions by ICE should be prohibited under the 4th amendment. It is wrong to aggrandize this principle in a way that presents it to half the US as an unlimited "right" to trespass, disrespect recognized boundaries,
or to facilitate the importation of a foreign (potentially hostile) voting bloc.
There are valid reasons why most of America is concerned about coordinated mass migration and foreign economic exploitation of the American economy, and the knowledge that their tax money being used to finance this wholesale assault on our values and culture
is intolerable. We should not just ride over their very real concerns by falsely characterizing them as being racially motivated — a disgusting display of far-left demagoguery.
The timing and tone of this resolution gives an impression to the average person that this statement is meant to side with Antifa and the far-left, rather than distinguishing our unique policy positions and principles. This is a trap.
I, like Nolan, think we need to distinguish ourselves from the bomb-throwing lefties.
We could be proposing legislation (as I have done in Hawaii) that protects states from adverse federal deployments of the national guard which would circumvent state government authorization, while also combining that with initiatives like Defend the Guard
to sell libertarian solutions to partisan problems while conditions are favorable to do so. Instead, we have this meaningless pile of steaming garbage which does nothing to advance liberty in the real world.
Freedom of movement is absolutely worth standing up for — however taxpayer funded mass migration and the economic exploitation of our own country by foreigners is just a form of parasitic colonialism and should be understood as a subversion of our values.
Now is time to be teaching the lesson of blowback, rather than making romantic overtures to Antifa.
This resolution therefore seems inadequate and irresponsible — a partisan poison pill.
We should either vote it down, or amend it to better align with our values, rather than DNC objectives.
Austin Martin
R1
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From: Meredith Hays <meredi...@lp.org>
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Subject: Re: EMAIL BALLOT 20251015-01 ICE Resolution
After having discussed with my region chair, I do think we should debate this motion and possibly amend it.
Mr. Secretary, I’m assuming we need a separate thread for this?
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Subject: Re: EMAIL BALLOT 20251015-01 ICE Resolution
I Second (third) a motion for debate.
Travis L. Bost
LNC At-Large
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From: Evan McMahon <evan.m...@lp.org>
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Subject: Re: EMAIL BALLOT 20251015-01 ICE Resolution
LNC members,
A couple of items to be noted on this thread.
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Alts cannot make motions, objections, etc. Only the region rep can do that and there is no mechanism for a rep to defer to an alt in email.
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It is not in order to request debate and then in the same email engage in debate.
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Rep Hays made a request for debate. This starts the clock on objections to debate - under PM 1.02-6.1 to stop debate 1/3 of the committee must object within 48 hours. If there isn't sufficient objection, we can engage in debate within this thread.
In Liberty,
Evan
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From: Austin Martin <austin...@lp.org>
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Subject: Re: EMAIL BALLOT 20251015-01 ICE Resolution
No disrespect intended, but I still intend to challenge point number one.
Without a default/deferral mechanism, this restriction could necessarily prove to violate member rights and potentially implicate terms from regional agreements, violating representation rights. Therefore, in the absence of good cause, alts should be allowed
some level of participation in email meetings.
Therefore, if you are raising a point of order, I would request that we allow the chair to rule on the matter before negating my contributions to the meeting.
Mahalo!
Austin Martin
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From: Evan McMahon <evan.m...@lp.org>
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Subject: Re: EMAIL BALLOT 20251015-01 ICE Resolution
Mr. Martin you continually violate the PM by engaging in debate and discussion in voting threads. Please take this to another thread.
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From: Austin Martin <austin...@lp.org>
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Subject: Re: EMAIL BALLOT 20251015-01 ICE Resolution
Point of order, Mr. Chair,
The Secretary may not make impromptu rulings, mute members, nor violate member rights of alts to participate in email proceedings.
Please call the member to order.
Austin Martin.
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From: Andrew Chadderdon <andrew.c...@lp.org>
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Subject: Re: EMAIL BALLOT 20251015-01 ICE Resolution
I have a point of order.
The secretary is not the chair.
Further, it is appropriate for a member of the LNC to request a ruling from the chair.
Andrew Chadderdon
Region 1 Rep | Libertarian National Committee
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Subject: Re: EMAIL BALLOT 20251015-01 ICE Resolution
Hello All,
There has been a number of things stated, and I believe some clarification is needed on several fronts.
First off, I appreciate the Secretary’s interpretation of the PM. The Secretary may point out procedure especially in relation to recording ballots and ensuring process, however the Chair makes rulings.
Under Policy Manual §6.1, debate can happen if a member requests it and fewer than one-third of the committee object within 48 hours. If that time passes without enough objections, discussion is allowed.
The call for debate from Ms. Hays is proper and will start the clock. Until that window closes, members should refrain from substantive discussion to preserve order and compliance with our adopted procedure.
Alternates may not make motions nor points of order in an electronic ballot. I ask those participating in debate to please cease until the 48hr window closes without requisite objections.
Sincerely,
Steven Nekhaila
Chairman, LNC
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From: Austin Martin <austin...@lp.org>
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Subject: Re: EMAIL BALLOT 20251015-01 ICE Resolution
I rise to an additional point of order, Mr. Chair,
The previous ruling(s) are out of order because they violate LNC member rights, the bylaws, and the Code of Conduct in the Policy Manual since both the present application of the rules and the patterns of practice is clearly unreasonable. This ongoing, unbroken
pattern of errors and omissions which exclusively inure to the benefit of the parties working in concert can only explained by intent.
Such actions serve no legitimate purpose other than retaliation, and therefore undermines, rather than maintains, order and decorum.
In a meeting, I would be allowed the right of participation. Your ruling violates these rights and contradicts recent JC decisions. The rules of order should never be enforced as a facially neutral pretext to constructively deny the rights of members of the
LNC.
Consequently, to exhaust remedy in the LNC, I also appeal the previous ruling of the chair.
Austin Martin
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From: Steven Nekhaila <steven....@lp.org>
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Subject: Re: EMAIL BALLOT 20251015-01 ICE Resolution
Mr. Martin,
Your appeal and point of order are ruled dilatory.
In an in-person meeting, regional representatives and alternates may indeed alternate who is seated and recognized at the pleasure of the region. However, under Policy Manual §6.1, email ballots are a distinct process from meetings. There is no mechanism to
“re-seat” alternates electronically. Primaries are seated by default for the duration of the ballot.
As such, you may not make points of order or appeals.
Sincerely,
Steven Nekhaila
Chairman, LNC
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Subject: Re: EMAIL BALLOT 20251015-01 ICE Resolution
Mr. Chair, point of clarification,
If I disregard your ruling and participate in debate, what will you do to me?
As a member of the LNC at a meeting, I would have a right to participate in discussions.
The present situation is one in which I genuinely believe I have a right and a duty to respond to overreach, as a colleague and a fellow director of the organization.
I ask for clarity — if I choose to participate in discussion anyway and ignore your ruling, what would you do to me?
Austin Martin
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Mr. Martin,
You are free to debate after the 48hr period for objections is over, just like everyone else.
What you may not do is make points of order or appeals.
I believe this is fair and also in line with our operating procedures.
Sincerely,
Steven Nekhaila
Steven Nekhaila
Chairman, LNC
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Hello All,
We are beyond 48hrs with no objections to debate. Debate is in order on this item.
Sincerely,
Steven Nekhaila
Chairman, LNC
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Subject: Re: EMAIL BALLOT 20251015-01 ICE Resolution
Resolutions should be limited in scope with a call to action and plan to execute some change in policy. And the last line is problematic because it implies full amnesty for violent criminals that came in illegally.
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Subject: Re: EMAIL BALLOT 20251015-01 ICE Resolution
Aloha from the CCP Border!
I want to start by pointing out that large-scale Hispanic immigration is rather new to Hawaii,
being only recently financed by taxpayer dollars to replace the countless displaced local families now living in economic exile from their island homes — to work on the mainland. The wording of the resolution would be, consequently, highly insulting to Hawaiians.
Additionally, most of the substantial immigration to and through Hawaii is from Asia, so I suspect it would also offend non-Hispanic immigrants, on the unlikely chance they heard or cared.
Second, nothing seems especially unprecedented about the current deportation operations, other
than the far-left's extreme and violent reaction, which seems largely driven by propaganda and social engineering. A resolution to restore Smith-Mundt prohibitions on the use of propaganda on Americans would be more appropriate here, but I digress.
The correct resolution for this moment is the one that actually has a chance of resulting in
real positive outcomes for liberty and addressing the problem — not merely regurgitating prior ineffectual affirmations of idealism.
For instance, our government has long ignored the 4th amendment safeguard; yet if it were applied
to today's immigration crisis. Upholding the 4th amendment would prevent the worst ICE abuses entirely, ensuring apprehended individuals would also be afforded more due process rights, and would generally lower the level of indiscriminate force being used.
We should be fighting to enforce the 4th amendment protections against unwarranted searches and seizures, and to uphold the right of freedom of movement. This is the best way to stop the madness, and to meaningfully restrain the government. In contrast, carelessly
selling utopianism in meaningless political gestures of utterly ineffectual virtue-signaling against other libertarians is cringe. We might be able to effectively restrain the government via the 4th amendment — Republicans and Democrats could get behind that.
We could be proposing legislation, requesting Executive Orders, or getting joint statements,
along with a common sense resolution. We could be LEADING.
I would love to see a resolution like this:
"The Libertarian Party calls on the Federal Government to honor and uphold the constitutional
limitations of the 4th amendment in all law enforcement operations, including during border and immigration enforcement.
The Libertarian Party further calls on all state governments to take all reasonably necessary
actions to uphold and enforce the 4th amendment limitations on the Federal Government where the safeguards are being disregarded, pursuant to the Constitution of the United States of America.
Be it further resolved that the Libertarian Party will oppose any politician who does not
join us in our resolve to uphold the constitutional protections on freedom of movement within the US, and the restriction on unreasonable searches and seizures by the government."
I would propose this as a substitute.
Austin Martin
R1
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I vote yes.
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From: Andrew Watkins <andrew....@lp.org>
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Subject: Re: EMAIL BALLOT 20251015-01 ICE Resolution
No
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Subject: Re: EMAIL BALLOT 20251015-01 ICE Resolution
I agree with Mr. Watkins and vote no.
Thank you,
Aron Lam
Region 1 Rep-LNC
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Subject: Re: EMAIL BALLOT 20251015-01 ICE Resolution
I vote no. Hippity Hoppity Get Off My Property.
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RV
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Subject: Re: EMAIL BALLOT 20251015-01 ICE Resolution
I am tentatively withdrawing my "yes" until there is consideration of an amendment or substitution condemning violence and a consideration for removing language insinuating racism.
Travis L. Bost
LNC At-Large
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Subject: Re: EMAIL BALLOT 20251015-01 ICE Resolution
Mr. Watkins commentary on scope & call to action is well taken.
Travis L. Bost
LNC At-Large
Travi...@LP.org
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Subject: Re: EMAIL BALLOT 20251015-01 ICE Resolution
I would be interested in seeing some additional calls for deregulation of the market that would disincentivize either employers from needing to hire undocumented workers, OR disincentivize the government from penalizing those who do.
I'm also somewhat uncomfortable with the specific calling out of Hispanic immigrants - not that they aren't the most obviously targeted, but it seems to me that perhaps the language shouldn't specify one group, since presumably all undocumented are at risk?
I'd also support additional language regarding unreasonable search & seizure.
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Subject: Re: EMAIL BALLOT 20251015-01 ICE Resolution
I vote no
Andrew Chadderdon
Region 1 Rep | Libertarian National Committee
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Subject: Re: EMAIL BALLOT 20251015-01 ICE Resolution
I agree with just about everything in the resolution.
But, as a candidate in the past, I have stated that as long as someone does not have a criminal background, cannot reasonably be deemed a security threat and does not have a serious communicable disease, that person should be able to legally immigrate to the
United States, with a short path to citizenship.
I cannot go along with eliminating all immigration restrictions, and I don't think such a position is politically salable, even to a lot of people who generally agree with us on this issue.
I will honor Mr. Thompson's request to not vote "No" on this resolution, so I will Abstain.
Bill Redpath
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Subject: Re: EMAIL BALLOT 20251015-01 ICE Resolution
I recognize that the resolution is unlikely to pass in its current form, but I will still be voting “yes” to signal my strong support for pursuing a resolution in the future. I would welcome revisions that are worded in a way that could gain broader buy in
from the rest of the LNC. In addition, I think it’s important that we plan for wider communication around such a resolution, so that it reaches beyond our own echo chamber and engages the public more effectively.
Respectfully,
Paul Darr
Vice Chair, Libertarian National Committee
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Subject: Re: EMAIL BALLOT 20251015-01 ICE Resolution
No.
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Subject: Re: EMAIL BALLOT 20251015-01 ICE Resolution
Yes
Travis L. Bost
LNC At-Large
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Subject: Re: EMAIL BALLOT 20251015-01 ICE Resolution
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Subject: Re: EMAIL BALLOT 20251015-01 ICE Resolution
Abstain
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Subject: Re: EMAIL BALLOT 20251015-01 ICE Resolution
I vote no.
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From: Pat Ford <pat....@lp.org>
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Subject: Re: EMAIL BALLOT 20251015-01 ICE Resolution
Over the last few days, I have struggled to find a kind way to communicate my frustration with our approach to "resolutions".
A great deal of effort was expended to create this resolution. And the subject matter is certainly worthy of debate.
However,
There are no plans for any coordinated media release and promotion of this resolution, upon passage.
There are no plans for a press conference, announcing the passage of this resolution.
There are no direct actions ... protests ... Informational picket lines ... panel discussions ... of any sort planned in support of this resolution, upon passage.
There are no calls to fundraise off of this document.
There exists little discussion surrounding the political impact and strategies of this resolution
In short, if issues with the wording of the resolution were resolved ... and the Board approved? That would be the end of it.
In my opinion, statements simply thrown to the wind? Are not projects worthy of this Board's time and energy, given the exigent challenges facing the Libertarian Party.
Finally, the Board's efforts should always include components of increased membership, fundraising and/or political strategy.
Accordingly, I will abstain.
Regards
Pat Ford
Libertarian National Committee
Chair Convention Oversight Commitee
617.835.1899
Pat....@LP.org
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Pat Ford
Libertarian National Committee
Chair Convention Oversight Commitee
617.835.1899
Pat....@LP.org
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