FW: EMAIL BALLOT 20251015-01 ICE Resolution

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From: Evan McMahon <evan.m...@lp.org>
Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2025 12:23:37 PM (UTC+00:00) Monrovia, Reykjavik
To: Entire LNC <entir...@lp.org>; lnc-public_forward <lnc-publi...@lp.org>
Subject: EMAIL BALLOT 20251015-01 ICE Resolution

We have an LNC email ballot.  Votes are due to the LNC List on this email thread by 11:59 pm Pacific Time on October 22nd, 2025.

Resolution: 

We hold that human rights should not be denied or abridged on the basis of nationality. We condemn massive roundups of Hispanic Americans and others by the federal government in its hunt for individuals not possessing required government documents. We strongly oppose all measures that would punish employers who hire undocumented workers. Such measures repress free enterprise, harass Workers, and systematically discourage employers from hiring Hispanics.

Undocumented non-citizens should not be denied the fundamental freedom to labor and to move about unmolested. Furthermore, immigration must not be restricted for reasons of race, religion, political creed, age, or sexual preference.

We, therefore, call for the elimination of all restrictions on immigration, the abolition of I.C.E. and the Border Patrol, and a declaration of full amnesty for all people who have entered the country illegally.

Co-Sponsors:  Thompson, Bost, Knebel, Bohler

 

Vote Threshold Required:  ¾ Majority

 

Secretary’s Notes: None

Vote Tracker: https://tinyurl.com/101525ICE

Evan McMahon Secretary, Libertarian National Committee ‪(317) 455-6986‬  |  evan.m...@lp.org

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From: Travis Bost <travi...@lp.org>
Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2025 3:09:48 PM (UTC+00:00) Monrovia, Reykjavik
To: Evan McMahon <evan.m...@lp.org>; Entire LNC <entir...@lp.org>; lnc-public_forward <lnc-publi...@lp.org>
Subject: Re: EMAIL BALLOT 20251015-01 ICE Resolution

Yes

Travis L. Bost

LNC At-Large

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From: Evan McMahon <evan.m...@lp.org>
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From: Keith Thompson <keith.t...@lp.org>
Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2025 3:10:12 PM (UTC+00:00) Monrovia, Reykjavik
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Subject: Re: EMAIL BALLOT 20251015-01 ICE Resolution

Yes

Keith Thompson

Region 3 South Rep

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From: Travis Bost <travi...@lp.org>
Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2025 10:09 AM

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From: Sam Bohler <samuel...@lp.org>
Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2025 3:45:50 PM (UTC+00:00) Monrovia, Reykjavik

To: Evan McMahon <evan.m...@lp.org>; Entire LNC <entir...@lp.org>; lnc-public_forward <lnc-publi...@lp.org>
Subject: Re: EMAIL BALLOT 20251015-01 ICE Resolution

Yes

Samuel Bohler At-Large, Libertarian National Committee ‪samuel...@lp.org

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From: Evan McMahon <evan.m...@lp.org>
Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2025 7:23 AM

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Subject: EMAIL BALLOT 20251015-01 ICE Resolution

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From: Doug Knebel <doug....@lp.org>
Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2025 7:39:44 PM (UTC+00:00) Monrovia, Reykjavik
To: Sam Bohler <samuel...@lp.org>; Evan McMahon <evan.m...@lp.org>; Entire LNC <entir...@lp.org>; lnc-public_forward <lnc-publi...@lp.org>

Subject: Re: EMAIL BALLOT 20251015-01 ICE Resolution

Yes

Doug Knebel

At-Large LNC

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From: Sam Bohler <samuel...@lp.org>
Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2025 11:45 AM

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From: Austin Martin <austin...@lp.org>
Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2025 8:33:56 PM (UTC+00:00) Monrovia, Reykjavik

To: Sam Bohler <samuel...@lp.org>; Evan McMahon <evan.m...@lp.org>; Entire LNC <entir...@lp.org>; lnc-public_forward <lnc-publi...@lp.org>
Subject: Re: EMAIL BALLOT 20251015-01 ICE Resolution

I am making a request to debate on the following grounds:

I absolutely support the freedom of movement, however, I think it is a mistake to frame this in the context of unlimited, global human rights, and as if present immigration enforcement actions were solely an expression of racial animus — it is misleading and dishonest. Freedom of movement does not necessarily demand us to adopt an unreasonable and utopian open-borders policy position as a practical solution. I agree that would be philosophically noble, but at present, it would interpret a globalized "human right" to come for free to the US and benefit from the US welfare state at the expense of the US taxpayers. This doesn't seem like a legitimate demand, except as a pretext for worldwide government. Indeed, that's what many of the lefty open-borders folks seem to want: an end to the nation-state and a global government to forever end "nationalism". This is incompatible with Libertarianism, which favors localism and small government, not worldwide empires. 

I think the winning ground here is to insist that all government and law enforcement operations must obey the 4th amendment, even when conducting immigration enforcement. This would protect individual rights, without being unreasonable and callous toward native populations. It is right to assert that the present actions by ICE should be prohibited under the 4th amendment. It is wrong to aggrandize this principle in a way that presents it to half the US as an unlimited "right" to trespass, disrespect recognized boundaries, or to facilitate the importation of a foreign (potentially hostile) voting bloc.

There are valid reasons why most of America is concerned about coordinated mass migration and foreign economic exploitation of the American economy, and the knowledge that their tax money being used to finance this wholesale assault on our values and culture is intolerable. We should not just ride over their very real concerns by falsely characterizing them as being racially motivated — a disgusting display of far-left demagoguery. 

The timing and tone of this resolution gives an impression to the average person that this statement is meant to side with Antifa and the far-left, rather than distinguishing our unique policy positions and principles. This is a trap. 

I, like Nolan, think we need to distinguish ourselves from the bomb-throwing lefties. 

We could be proposing legislation (as I have done in Hawaii) that protects states from adverse federal deployments of the national guard which would circumvent state government authorization, while also combining that with initiatives like Defend the Guard to sell libertarian solutions to partisan problems while conditions are favorable to do so. Instead, we have this meaningless pile of steaming garbage which does nothing to advance liberty in the real world. 

Freedom of movement is absolutely worth standing up for — however taxpayer funded mass migration and the economic exploitation of our own country by foreigners is just a form of parasitic colonialism and should be understood as a subversion of our values. 

Now is time to be teaching the lesson of blowback, rather than making romantic overtures to Antifa. 

This resolution therefore seems inadequate and irresponsible — a partisan poison pill. 

We should either vote it down, or amend it to better align with our values, rather than DNC objectives. 

Austin Martin 

R1

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From: Sam Bohler <samuel...@lp.org>
Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2025 5:45:50 AM

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From: Meredith Hays <meredi...@lp.org>
Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2025 8:45:19 PM (UTC+00:00) Monrovia, Reykjavik
To: Austin Martin <austin...@lp.org>; Sam Bohler <samuel...@lp.org>; Evan McMahon <evan.m...@lp.org>; Entire LNC <entir...@lp.org>; lnc-public_forward <lnc-publi...@lp.org>

Subject: Re: EMAIL BALLOT 20251015-01 ICE Resolution

After having discussed with my region chair, I do think we should debate this motion and possibly amend it. 

Mr. Secretary, I’m assuming we need a separate thread for this?

Meredith Hays

Region 4 Rep, Libertarian National Committee

lp.org | meredi...@lp.org

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From: Austin Martin <austin...@lp.org>
Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2025 1:33:56 PM

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From: Travis Bost <travi...@lp.org>
Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2025 10:53:56 PM (UTC+00:00) Monrovia, Reykjavik
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Subject: Re: EMAIL BALLOT 20251015-01 ICE Resolution

I Second (third) a motion for debate. 

Travis L. Bost

LNC At-Large

Travi...@LP.org

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From: Meredith Hays <meredi...@lp.org>
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From: Andrew Watkins <andrew....@lp.org>
Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2025 10:55:41 PM (UTC+00:00) Monrovia, Reykjavik
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Subject: Re: EMAIL BALLOT 20251015-01 ICE Resolution

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From: Travis Bost <travi...@lp.org>
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From: Evan McMahon <evan.m...@lp.org>
Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2025 11:00:31 PM (UTC+00:00) Monrovia, Reykjavik
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Subject: Re: EMAIL BALLOT 20251015-01 ICE Resolution

LNC members,

A couple of items to be noted on this thread.

1. Alts cannot make motions, objections, etc. Only the region rep can do that and there is no mechanism for a rep to defer to an alt in email.
2. It is not in order to request debate and then in the same email engage in debate.
3. Rep Hays made a request for debate. This starts the clock on objections to debate - under PM 1.02-6.1 to stop debate 1/3 of the committee must object within 48 hours. If there isn't sufficient objection, we can engage in debate within this thread.

In Liberty,

Evan

Evan McMahon Secretary, Libertarian National Committee ‪(317) 455-6986  |  evan.m...@lp.org

 

 

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From: Meredith Hays <meredi...@lp.org>
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From: Austin Martin <austin...@lp.org>
Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2025 11:08:46 PM (UTC+00:00) Monrovia, Reykjavik
To: Evan McMahon <evan.m...@lp.org>; Entire LNC <entir...@lp.org>; lnc-public_forward <lnc-publi...@lp.org>

Subject: Re: EMAIL BALLOT 20251015-01 ICE Resolution

No disrespect intended, but I still intend to challenge point number one. 

Without a default/deferral mechanism, this restriction could necessarily prove to violate member rights and potentially implicate terms from regional agreements, violating representation rights. Therefore, in the absence of good cause, alts should be allowed some level of participation in email meetings. 

Therefore, if you are raising a point of order, I would request that we allow the chair to rule on the matter before negating my contributions to the meeting. 

Mahalo! 

Austin Martin 

R1

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From: Evan McMahon <evan.m...@lp.org>
Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2025 1:00:31 PM

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From: Evan McMahon <evan.m...@lp.org>
Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2025 11:11:09 PM (UTC+00:00) Monrovia, Reykjavik
To: Austin Martin <austin...@lp.org>; Entire LNC <entir...@lp.org>; lnc-public_forward <lnc-publi...@lp.org>

Subject: Re: EMAIL BALLOT 20251015-01 ICE Resolution

Mr. Martin you continually violate the PM by engaging in debate and discussion in voting threads. Please take this to another thread.

Evan McMahon Secretary, Libertarian National Committee ‪(317) 455-6986‬  |  evan.m...@lp.org

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From: Austin Martin <austin...@lp.org>
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From: Austin Martin <austin...@lp.org>
Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2025 11:12:33 PM (UTC+00:00) Monrovia, Reykjavik

To: Evan McMahon <evan.m...@lp.org>; Entire LNC <entir...@lp.org>; lnc-public_forward <lnc-publi...@lp.org>
Subject: Re: EMAIL BALLOT 20251015-01 ICE Resolution

Point of order, Mr. Chair, 

The Secretary may not make impromptu rulings, mute members, nor violate member rights of alts to participate in email proceedings. 

Please call the member to order.  

Austin Martin. 

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From: Evan McMahon <evan.m...@lp.org>
Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2025 1:11:09 PM

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From: Andrew Chadderdon <andrew.c...@lp.org>
Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2025 11:13:17 PM (UTC+00:00) Monrovia, Reykjavik
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Subject: Re: EMAIL BALLOT 20251015-01 ICE Resolution

I have a point of order. 

The secretary is not the chair. 

Further, it is appropriate for a member of the LNC to request a ruling from the chair. 

Andrew Chadderdon

Region 1 Rep | Libertarian National Committee

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From: Evan McMahon <evan.m...@lp.org>
Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2025 7:11:09 PM

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From: Steven Nekhaila <steven....@lp.org>
Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2025 11:53:50 PM (UTC+00:00) Monrovia, Reykjavik
To: Andrew Chadderdon <andrew.c...@lp.org>; Evan McMahon <evan.m...@lp.org>; Austin Martin <austin...@lp.org>; Entire LNC <entir...@lp.org>; lnc-public_forward <lnc-publi...@lp.org>

Subject: Re: EMAIL BALLOT 20251015-01 ICE Resolution

Hello All,

There has been a number of things stated, and I believe some clarification is needed on several fronts.

First off, I appreciate the Secretary’s interpretation of the PM. The Secretary may point out procedure especially in relation to recording ballots and ensuring process, however the Chair makes rulings.

Under Policy Manual §6.1, debate can happen if a member requests it and fewer than one-third of the committee object within 48 hours. If that time passes without enough objections, discussion is allowed.

The call for debate from Ms. Hays is proper and will start the clock. Until that window closes, members should refrain from substantive discussion to preserve order and compliance with our adopted procedure.

Alternates may not make motions nor points of order in an electronic ballot. I ask those participating in debate to please cease until the 48hr window closes without requisite objections.

Sincerely,

Steven Nekhaila

Chairman, LNC

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From: Andrew Chadderdon <andrew.c...@lp.org>
Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2025 7:13:17 PM

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From: Austin Martin <austin...@lp.org>
Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2025 12:30:54 AM (UTC+00:00) Monrovia, Reykjavik
To: Steven Nekhaila <steven....@lp.org>; Andrew Chadderdon <andrew.c...@lp.org>; Evan McMahon <evan.m...@lp.org>; Entire LNC <entir...@lp.org>; lnc-public_forward <lnc-publi...@lp.org>

Subject: Re: EMAIL BALLOT 20251015-01 ICE Resolution

I rise to an additional point of order, Mr. Chair,

The previous ruling(s) are out of order because they violate LNC member rights, the bylaws, and the Code of Conduct in the Policy Manual since both the present application of the rules and the patterns of practice is clearly unreasonable. This ongoing, unbroken pattern of errors and omissions which exclusively inure to the benefit of the parties working in concert can only explained by intent. 

Such actions serve no legitimate purpose other than retaliation, and therefore undermines, rather than maintains, order and decorum. 

In a meeting, I would be allowed the right of participation. Your ruling violates these rights and contradicts recent JC decisions. The rules of order should never be enforced as a facially neutral pretext to constructively deny the rights of members of the LNC. 

Consequently, to exhaust remedy in the LNC, I also appeal the previous ruling of the chair. 

Austin Martin 

R1

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From: Steven Nekhaila <steven....@lp.org>
Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2025 1:53:57 PM

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From: Steven Nekhaila <steven....@lp.org>
Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2025 12:41:16 AM (UTC+00:00) Monrovia, Reykjavik
To: Austin Martin <austin...@lp.org>; Andrew Chadderdon <andrew.c...@lp.org>; Evan McMahon <evan.m...@lp.org>; Entire LNC <entir...@lp.org>; lnc-public_forward <lnc-publi...@lp.org>

Subject: Re: EMAIL BALLOT 20251015-01 ICE Resolution

Mr. Martin,

Your appeal and point of order are ruled dilatory. 

In an in-person meeting, regional representatives and alternates may indeed alternate who is seated and recognized at the pleasure of the region. However, under Policy Manual §6.1, email ballots are a distinct process from meetings. There is no mechanism to “re-seat” alternates electronically. Primaries are seated by default for the duration of the ballot.

As such, you may not make points of order or appeals. 

Sincerely,

Steven Nekhaila

Chairman, LNC

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From: Austin Martin <austin...@lp.org>
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From: Austin Martin <austin...@lp.org>
Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2025 1:08:18 AM (UTC+00:00) Monrovia, Reykjavik

To: Steven Nekhaila <steven....@lp.org>; Andrew Chadderdon <andrew.c...@lp.org>; Evan McMahon <evan.m...@lp.org>; Entire LNC <entir...@lp.org>; lnc-public_forward <lnc-publi...@lp.org>
Subject: Re: EMAIL BALLOT 20251015-01 ICE Resolution

Mr. Chair, point of clarification,

If I disregard your ruling and participate in debate, what will you do to me? 

As a member of the LNC at a meeting, I would have a right to participate in discussions.  

The present situation is one in which I genuinely believe I have a right and a duty to respond to overreach, as a colleague and a fellow director of the organization. 

I ask for clarity — if I choose to participate in discussion anyway and ignore your ruling, what would you do to me?

Austin Martin

R1 

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From: Steven Nekhaila <steven....@lp.org>
Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2025 2:41:19 PM
To: Austin Martin <austin...@lp.org>; Andrew Chadderdon <andrew.c...@lp.org>; Evan McMahon <evan.m...@lp.org>; Entire LNC <entir...@lp.org>; lnc-public_forward <lnc-publi...@lp.org>

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From: Steven Nekhaila <steven....@lp.org>
Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2025 1:10:11 AM (UTC+00:00) Monrovia, Reykjavik
To: Austin Martin <austin...@lp.org>; Andrew Chadderdon <andrew.c...@lp.org>; Evan McMahon <evan.m...@lp.org>; Entire LNC <entir...@lp.org>; lnc-public_forward <lnc-publi...@lp.org>

Subject: Re: EMAIL BALLOT 20251015-01 ICE Resolution

Mr. Martin,

You are free to debate after the 48hr period for objections is over, just like everyone else.

What you may not do is make points of order or appeals.

I believe this is fair and also in line with our operating procedures.

Sincerely,
Steven Nekhaila

Chairman, LNC

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From: Austin Martin <austin...@lp.org>
Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2025 9:08 PM