FW: LP convention logo at RNC

From: Susan Hogarth <susan....@lp.org>
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From: Austin Martin <austin...@lp.org>

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Subject: Re: LP convention logo at RNC

That is a symbol of the staggering level of our monumental failures, Susan.

That is blowback.

Austin Martin

R1

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From: Austin Martin <austin...@lp.org>
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Subject: Re: LP convention logo at RNC

Maybe if we sue Angela even harder, and open 10 new SICs, and disaffiliate half the states, and pledge allegiance to the WEF, maybe that will finally teach those mean ol' republicans.

Ua mau ke ea o ka ʻāina i ka pono

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Subject: Re: LP convention logo at RNC

I agree with Susan and sincerely hope our counsel is consulted on this.

Respectfully,

Richard Longstreth

At-Large Representative

Libertarian National Committee

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From: Austin Martin <austin...@lp.org>
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Subject: Re: LP convention logo at RNC

I forget you folks need things spelled out... in case it wasn't clear:

You drove away any hope of coalition.

You are suing the person responsible for a huge victory, and gave up all leverage on Trump and the GOP to throw a factional temper tantrum and seize power, and

You are driving the legit libertarians to the GOP

Qui bono?

You folks' actions are SOLELY helping the establishment duopoly while doing active damage to the Liberty movement at a greater rate than any of our actual enemies.

Sincerely,

Austin Martin

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Subject: Re: LP convention logo at RNC

Questionable use aside, my Libertarian-partisan take is our response post was a near-complete miss and should come down.

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From: Alfa Shaw <alfa...@lp.org>
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Subject: Re: LP convention logo at RNC

Greetings.

"What's going on with this?".

My guess is that Ross probably advocated for it to symbolize what got him out of prison.

We really going to sue the guy over this?

Thank you.

In Liberty,

Alfa Shaw

Region 6

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From: Alfa Shaw <alfa...@lp.org>
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Subject: Re: LP convention logo at RNC

Greetings.

We probably should have considered how to use the exposure to our benefit.

We want MORE members.

If those members are people who leave the republicans..... THAT IS OK.

Look at the situation we are currently in.

A guy we advocated for, FOR A DECADE probably wouldn't be welcome to speak at our events right now, because of who signed his pardon, and the fact that he's thankful to that person for doing so.

The world is not all about Donald Trump.

We are the Libertarian Party.

We are Not the obsess over one guy and make everything about him party.

That orange guy will be out of office in 2 years and 4 months.

Most of us on this board probably will be as well.

We should have figured out a way to spin the exposure in our favor, instead of jumping right to "maybe we should sue somebody".

Thank you.

In Liberty,

Alfa Shaw

Region 6

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From: Susan Hogarth <susan....@lp.org>
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Subject: Re: LP convention logo at RNC

Probably best not to guess.

Evidently McArdle is boasting about it online. So ... it's certainly possible she's lying 🤷‍♀️ But I doubt it was Ross. And no, no one is advocating suing Ross. I personally am not advocating any type of suit since I'm fundamentally anti-IP.

Someone suggested to me that we simply invoice the entity (GOP?) that put on the convention for unlicensed use of our media. That seems an avenue worth exploring.

Susan Hogarth

Region 5 Representative

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Subject: Re: LP convention logo at RNC

It’s pretty clear she’s posting about getting Ross freed, not putting a backdrop up at the GOP convention. It would be best to take whatever free publicity we can from this.

Travis L. Bost

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From: Tyler Danke <tyler...@lp.org>
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Subject: Re: LP convention logo at RNC

I believe that $10,000 for use of the images would be appropriate.

Tyler Danke

Representing the Libertarian Parties of Illinois, New Jersey, New York, and Wisconsin

Do your part today. https://lp.org/danke

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From: Susan Hogarth <susan....@lp.org>
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Subject: Re: LP convention logo at RNC

I think this is nonsense. I'm sure Ross would be welcome to speak at an LP event as long as he wasn't shilling for the same establishment that locked him up. Of course he won't be invited to give a campaign speech for Trump.

You and Mr Martin are the only people here I've seen mention lawsuits, and then acting as if that's what others have advocated for. That's a disingenuous argument and not calculated to create a team environment.

Susan Hogarth

Region 5 Representative

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Subject: Re: LP convention logo at RNC

Greetings.

We probably should have considered how to use the exposure to our benefit.

We want MORE members.

If those members are people who leave the republicans..... THAT IS OK.

Look at the situation we are currently in.

A guy we advocated for, FOR A DECADE probably wouldn't be welcome to speak at our events right now, because of who signed his pardon, and the fact that he's thankful to that person for doing so.

The world is not all about Donald Trump.

We are the Libertarian Party.

We are Not the obsess over one guy and make everything about him party.

That orange guy will be out of office in 2 years and 4 months.

Most of us on this board probably will be as well.

We should have figured out a way to spin the exposure in our favor, instead of jumping right to "maybe we should sue somebody".

Thank you.

In Liberty,

Alfa Shaw

Region 6

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Subject: Re: LP convention logo at RNC

I concede that you probably understand Ms McArdle better than I have any hope of doing.

Susan Hogarth

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Subject: Re: LP convention logo at RNC

It’s pretty clear she’s posting about getting Ross freed, not putting a backdrop up at the GOP convention. It would be best to take whatever free publicity we can from this.

Travis L. Bost

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Subject: Re: LP convention logo at RNC

Probably best not to guess.

Evidently McArdle is boasting about it online. So ... it's certainly possible she's lying 🤷‍♀️ But I doubt it was Ross. And no, no one is advocating suing Ross. I personally am not advocating any type of suit since I'm fundamentally anti-IP.

Someone suggested to me that we simply invoice the entity (GOP?) that put on the convention for unlicensed use of our media. That seems an avenue worth exploring.

Susan Hogarth

Region 5 Representative

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Subject: Re: LP convention logo at RNC

Greetings.

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Subject: Re: LP convention logo at RNC

Greetings.

Mr. Longstreth mentioned something about consulting our counsel.

Mr. Danke mentioned a 10k invoice.

Ok, so ill concede that isnt exactly a call to sue, but.... It wouldn't be wild speculation to see it as the kind of initial discussion that often happens when things like that happen.

Thank you.

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Alfa Shaw

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Subject: Re: LP convention logo at RNC

Colleagues,

"A guy we advocated for, FOR A DECADE probably wouldn't be welcome to speak at our events right now, because of who signed his pardon, and the fact that he's thankful to that person for doing so. "

This is a ridiculous conclusion to jump too. If Ross, or his mom, want to speak in front of libertarians, they are welcome to do so. As a reminder, his mom was at our convention THIS YEAR.

If arguments are going to be made, please make sure that at a surface level they pass some muster.

Further, as this response followed mine, speaking to counsel does not mean suing. Perhaps a cease and desist, perhaps a bill for using our branding. Talking to counsel tells us viable options and pitfalls to avoid, both legally and otherwise.

Do not put words in my mouth or misconstrue what I say again, please. I find it exhausting dealing with this unprofessional behavior.

Respectfully,

Richard Longstreth

At-Large Representative

Libertarian National Committee

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Subject: Re: LP convention logo at RNC

After what he went through, I suggest we leave him alone and let him do what he will. He was unjustly imprisoned; we helped free him. That’s enough.

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Subject: Re: LP convention logo at RNC

Greetings.

Perhaps Mr. Seebeck's suggestion is worth considering.

Thank you.

In Liberty,

Alfa Shaw

Region 6

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From: Susan Hogarth <susan....@lp.org>
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Subject: Re: LP convention logo at RNC

... or maybe not. Here is the boast in question. It seems clear that if she's using standard English and replying directly to the post that is specifically "they put our logo on their convention screens" that the words "I did it" are a claim that she appropriated materials that did not belong to her for unauthorized use without permission. But of course it's absolutely possible she could simply be lying. Hard to tell.

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Subject: Re: LP convention logo at RNC

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Subject: Re: LP convention logo at RNC

To the public,

The idea proposed and referenced is that king the people who used our branding for advertising us.

It is not a bad idea, but not one I personally like. I could get behind it, though. We could also ignore it. Again, not something I prefer.

That said, if one is in an abusive relationship, such as the stranglehold the D's and Rs have on this country, why thank the abuser?

Respectfully,

Richard Longstreth

At-Large Representative

Libertarian National Committee

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Subject: Re: LP convention logo at RNC

Greetings.

Perhaps Mr. Seebeck's suggestion is worth considering.

Thank you.

In Liberty,

Alfa Shaw

Region 6

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Subject: Re: LP convention logo at RNC

Colleagues,

"A guy we advocated for, FOR A DECADE probably wouldn't be welcome to speak at our events right now, because of who signed his pardon, and the fact that he's thankful to that person for doing so. "

This is a ridiculous conclusion to jump too. If Ross, or his mom, want to speak in front of libertarians, they are welcome to do so. As a reminder, his mom was at our convention THIS YEAR.

If arguments are going to be made, please make sure that at a surface level they pass some muster.

Further, as this response followed mine, speaking to counsel does not mean suing. Perhaps a cease and desist, perhaps a bill for using our branding. Talking to counsel tells us viable options and pitfalls to avoid, both legally and otherwise.

Do not put words in my mouth or misconstrue what I say again, please. I find it exhausting dealing with this unprofessional behavior.

Respectfully,

Richard Longstreth

At-Large Representative

Libertarian National Committee

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Subject: Re: LP convention logo at RNC

Greetings.

Mr. Longstreth mentioned something about consulting our counsel.

Mr. Danke mentioned a 10k invoice.

Ok, so ill concede that isnt exactly a call to sue, but.... It wouldn't be wild speculation to see it as the kind of initial discussion that often happens when things like that happen.

Thank you.

In Liberty,

Alfa Shaw

Region 6

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Subject: Re: LP convention logo at RNC

This doesn't need to be and should not be a cause for sniping and assumption of bad motives among us.

Susan Hogarth

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Subject: Re: LP convention logo at RNC

Ms. Hogarth,

Going back to LP’s post: this entire scenario can’t exist in a vacuum. But for Angela McArdle being elected chair, but for Angela McArdle heading to Mar A Lago, but for the 2024 LNC Convention, but for Ross receiving a full pardon (which the Ulbrichts have given us credit for), there’s no LP branding at a once-in-50-years RNC midterm where the organizer is term limited.

It’s possible she means she sent the slides or even recommended the speech. I don’t know, you don’t know, but *I wasn’t going to introduce speculation without knowing*. To tell the truth I *set aside* whatever understanding I might have of Ms. McArlde and read what’s before me.

Perhaps she’ll elaborate.

Travis L. Bost

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From: Susan Hogarth <susan....@lp.org>
Sent: Friday, 11 September 2026 09:59:39

To: LNC Public <lnc-p...@lp.org>; lnc-public_forward <lnc-publi...@lp.org>
Subject: Re: LP convention logo at RNC

Forgot to attach the image

Susan Hogarth

Region 5 Representative

From: Susan Hogarth <susan....@lp.org>
Sent: Friday, 11 September 2026 09:59:08

To: LNC Public <lnc-p...@lp.org>; lnc-public_forward <lnc-publi...@lp.org>
Subject: Re: LP convention logo at RNC

... or maybe not. Here is the boast in question. It seems clear that if she's using standard English and replying directly to the post that is specifically "they put our logo on their convention screens" that the words "I did it" are a claim that she appropriated materials that did not belong to her for unauthorized use without permission. But of course it's absolutely possible she could simply be lying. Hard to tell.

Susan Hogarth

Region 5 Representative

From: Susan Hogarth <susan....@lp.org>
Sent: Friday, September 11, 2026 9:30 AM
To: Travis Bost <travi...@lp.org>; Alfa Shaw <alfa...@lp.org>; Austin Martin <austin...@lp.org>; Richard Longstreth <richard.l...@lp.org>; LNC Public <lnc-p...@lp.org>; lnc-public_forward <lnc-publi...@lp.org>

Subject: Re: LP convention logo at RNC

I concede that you probably understand Ms McArdle better than I have any hope of doing.

Susan Hogarth

Region 5 Representative

From: Travis Bost <travi...@lp.org>
Sent: Friday, 11 September 2026 09:24:11

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Subject: Re: LP convention logo at RNC

It’s pretty clear she’s posting about getting Ross freed, not putting a backdrop up at the GOP convention. It would be best to take whatever free publicity we can from this.

Travis L. Bost

LNC Region 5 Alternate

Travi...@LP.org

From: Susan Hogarth <susan....@lp.org>

Sent: Friday, 11 September 2026 09:21:07

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Subject: Re: LP convention logo at RNC

Probably best not to guess.

Evidently McArdle is boasting about it online. So ... it's certainly possible she's lying 🤷‍♀️ But I doubt it was Ross. And no, no one is advocating suing Ross. I personally am not advocating any type of suit since I'm fundamentally anti-IP.

Someone suggested to me that we simply invoice the entity (GOP?) that put on the convention for unlicensed use of our media. That seems an avenue worth exploring.

Susan Hogarth

Region 5 Representative

From: Alfa Shaw <alfa...@lp.org>
Sent: Friday, September 11, 2026 7:49 AM

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Subject: Re: LP convention logo at RNC

Greetings.

"What's going on with this?".

My guess is that Ross probably advocated for it to symbolize what got him out of prison.

We really going to sue the guy over this?

Thank you.

In Liberty,

Alfa Shaw

Region 6

"Relationships begin with Understanding"

From: Travis Bost <travi...@lp.org>
Sent: Friday, 11 September 2026 02:43:40

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Subject: Re: LP convention logo at RNC

Questionable use aside, my Libertarian-partisan take is our response post was a near-complete miss and should come down.

Travis L. Bost

LNC Region 5 Alternate

Travi...@LP.org

From: Austin Martin <austin...@lp.org>
Sent: Thursday, 10 September 2026 22:09:17

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Subject: Re: LP convention logo at RNC

I forget you folks need things spelled out... in case it wasn't clear:

You drove away any hope of coalition.

You are suing the person responsible for a huge victory, and gave up all leverage on Trump and the GOP to throw a factional temper tantrum and seize power, and

You are driving the legit libertarians to the GOP

Qui bono?

You folks' actions are SOLELY helping the establishment duopoly while doing active damage to the Liberty movement at a greater rate than any of our actual enemies.

Sincerely,

Austin Martin

R1

Ua mau ke ea o ka ʻāina i ka pono

From: Austin Martin <austin...@lp.org>
Sent: Thursday, 10 September 2026 16:01:32

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Subject: Re: LP convention logo at RNC

Maybe if we sue Angela even harder, and open 10 new SICs, and disaffiliate half the states, and pledge allegiance to the WEF, maybe that will finally teach those mean ol' republicans.

Ua mau ke ea o ka ʻāina i ka pono

From: Richard Longstreth <richard.l...@lp.org>
Sent: Thursday, 10 September 2026 15:54:34

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Subject: Re: LP convention logo at RNC

I agree with Susan and sincerely hope our counsel is consulted on this.

Respectfully,

Richard Longstreth

At-Large Representative

Libertarian National Committee

From: Susan Hogarth <susan....@lp.org>

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Subject: LP convention logo at RNC

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From: Susan Hogarth <susan....@lp.org>
Sent: Friday, September 11, 2026 3:00:03 PM (UTC+00:00) Monrovia, Reykjavik
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Subject: Re: LP convention logo at RNC

I'm mostly astonished that you think "LP branding at a ... RNC" convention is a good thing.

We certainly want to attract disaffected libertarian-leaning Republicans *and* Democrats to the LP. But associating ourselves with the GOP at a 'convention' full of the sycophantic faithful in the increasingly bizarre Trump cult is not the best way to accomplish this in my opinion.

And certainly I think we can all agree that having it done behind our backs with zero consultation or consideration is not a practice we should accept with a simple shrug and "I guess they meant well ". The GOP as an entity does NOT mean well with regards to the LP because we are their opposition, not their farm team.

Susan Hogarth

Region 5 Representative

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From: Alfa Shaw <alfa...@lp.org>
Sent: Friday, September 11, 2026 4:00:13 PM (UTC+00:00) Monrovia, Reykjavik
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Subject: Re: LP convention logo at RNC

Greetings.

Has anyone here considered reaching out to Ross himself to get his take on the situation?

Thank you.

In Liberty,

Alfa Shaw

Region 6

"Relationships begin with Understanding"

From: Susan Hogarth <susan....@lp.org>
Sent: Friday, 11 September 2026 11:00:03

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From: Susan Hogarth <susan....@lp.org>
Sent: Friday, September 11, 2026 4:07:12 PM (UTC+00:00) Monrovia, Reykjavik
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Subject: Re: LP convention logo at RNC

I think any 'reaching out' ought to be from our Chair or ED under advice of counsel. And it seems that it would be directed at the event organizer, not the speaker.

Susan Hogarth

Region 5 Representative

From: Alfa Shaw <alfa...@lp.org>
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From: Richard Longstreth <richard.l...@lp.org>
Sent: Friday, September 11, 2026 4:13:04 PM (UTC+00:00) Monrovia, Reykjavik
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Subject: Re: LP convention logo at RNC

Colleagues,

To answer Mr. Shaw's inquiry, no I have not considered and will not reach out to Mr. Ross on this. I also do not think that is needed. He wasn't the host of the event. The RNC was and allowed the use of our logo and property to be displayed in their hall, quite prominently.

Hypothetically, let's infer that Mr. Ross supplied his own background, and the one that supplied the graphics and IP to the RNC to display. The RNC could have and should have denied the use of that property, just as they would have if DNC graphics and branding were submitted.

This is a slap in the face to libertarians all over and only helps to advance the notion that we are a feeder org for Republicans when, in actuality, we are not.

We are a unique and independent political party with our own platform and cannot stand the DNC not the RNC. We condemn their tactics to silence independent voters in this country by blocking ballot access and exercising as a duopoly to keep other opinions and philosophies off the ballot.

All of that said, if anyone reaches out at this point, it should be the Chair, under advice of counsel. Staff should not be having political conversations with other organizations. Their job is to manage our org, not to get in the middle of political disputes.

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From: Evan McMahon <evan.m...@lp.org>
Sent: Friday, September 11, 2026 4:27:20 PM (UTC+00:00) Monrovia, Reykjavik

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Subject: Re: LP convention logo at RNC

All,

This has nothing to do with Mr. Ulbricht. He has no blame here for anything. I actually feel bad for him being used as a prop for a party that would still happily put him in a cage and cheer his liberty being taken away for the rest of his life... just so they can try to convince some libertarians to vote for their repeated lies.

This is an issue with the event organizers either using or authorizing the use of our branding during their event.

There are several options that will both defend our IP from dilution and confusion by an unauthorized user and for the continued demonstration of protecting our IP from unauthorized use.

As a note, the 2024 LP convention branding was created by staff, used by the LP in commerce, and is the property of the LNC. No one, outside the LNC, has the authority to authorize its use.

Contrary to some comments... that doesn't require us to commit the LNC coffers towards a protracted legal fight that we would be seriously out matched. There are options prior to that and that is a discussion I am having with counsel.

In Liberty,

Evan McMahon

Chair - Libertarian National Committee

From: Susan Hogarth <susan....@lp.org>
Sent: Friday, 11 September 2026 12:07:12

To: LNC Public <lnc-p...@lp.org>; lnc-public_forward <lnc-publi...@lp.org>
Subject: Re: LP convention logo at RNC

I think any 'reaching out' ought to be from our Chair or ED under advice of counsel. And it seems that it would be directed at the event organizer, not the speaker.

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From: Keith Thompson <keith.t...@lp.org>
Sent: Friday, September 11, 2026 4:32:41 PM (UTC+00:00) Monrovia, Reykjavik
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Subject: Re: LP convention logo at RNC

I am curious as to how the Republican Party came to have high resolution copies of our convention logo and graphics.

Keith Thompson

At-Large Representative

Libertarian National Committee

Keith.Thompson@LP.org

LP.org/ThompsonDonor

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Sent: Friday, September 11, 2026 11:27 AM

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From: Susan Hogarth <susan....@lp.org>
Sent: Friday, September 11, 2026 4:40:57 PM (UTC+00:00) Monrovia, Reykjavik
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Subject: Re: LP convention logo at RNC

Indeed. This does raise an important line of inquiry about LP assets that may have been retained by Ms McArdle at her departure from her leadership role, and the uses those assets may have been put to.

Obviously this is a line of inquiry best left to the legal team and executive committee, but I think it may be important to look into (perhaps this is already happening). If she was willing to sell or give this LP asset to the GOP, perhaps mailing lists and other salable assets have been similarly treated by her.

Susan Hogarth

Region 5 Representative

From: Keith Thompson <keith.t...@lp.org>

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From: Susan Hogarth <susan....@lp.org>
Sent: Friday, September 11, 2026 4:48:13 PM (UTC+00:00) Monrovia, Reykjavik

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Subject: Re: LP convention logo at RNC

One does have to admire the cheek of someone who abruptly leaves a leadership position within the LP under serious and credible allegations of misconduct, and yet who has the presence of mind to take assets that can later be repurposed in support of our opposition, and who then brags about it publicly.

Well, 'admire' is the wrong word I suppose.

Susan Hogarth

Region 5 Representative

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Sent: Friday, 11 September 2026 12:40:57

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From: Austin Martin <austin...@lp.org>
Sent: Friday, September 11, 2026 6:04:54 PM (UTC+00:00) Monrovia, Reykjavik
To: Susan Hogarth <susan....@lp.org>; LNC Public <lnc-p...@lp.org>; lnc-public_forward <lnc-publi...@lp.org>

Subject: Re: LP convention logo at RNC

The person we freed from prison is not welcome in this party at all because of the coordinated hate and social engineering from you folks.

Not welcome at all. He would have been persecuted and shouted down by the degenerate mob of power-drunk socialist losers at grand rapids the minute he expressed respect or gratitude for his pardon.

You are all more like Nazis than libertarians.

If Ross were on the LNC, you guys would hold a fake trial to punish his dissent and agreement with me — you would do the same thing that the government did to him, which is the same thing you are about to do to me.

Sincerely

Ua mau ke ea o ka ʻāina i ka pono

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Sent: Friday, 11 September 2026 06:48:13

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From: Tyler Danke <tyler...@lp.org>
Sent: Friday, September 11, 2026 6:17:39 PM (UTC+00:00) Monrovia, Reykjavik
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Subject: Re: LP convention logo at RNC

Mr. Chair, I asked you to call Mr. Martin to order.

Tyler Danke

Representing the Libertarian Parties of Illinois, New Jersey, New York and Wisconsin

Do your part today. https://lp.org/danke

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From: Travis Bost <travi...@lp.org>
Sent: Friday, September 11, 2026 6:19:15 PM (UTC+00:00) Monrovia, Reykjavik
To: Susan Hogarth <susan....@lp.org>; LNC Public <lnc-p...@lp.org>; lnc-public_forward <lnc-publi...@lp.org>

Subject: Re: LP convention logo at RNC

“I'm mostly astonished that you think ‘LP branding at a ... RNC’ convention is a good thing.”

Was this directed at me? At no point did I suggest this was a good thing. You isolated one line out of a list of historical items used to illustrate a point and applied your own slant to my words, completely out of context. This is why we can't understand each other. This is why "I did that" can have such a staggering breadth of meaning, but far worse, because my neutral, measured response was unequivocal.

Pick, distort, pick, distort, pick, distort. This isn't helpful discourse for a national committee, any more than calling everyone Nazis.

This is also why I generally stay out of these squabbles after I’ve shared my piece. But when you misrepresent me directly I'm not sure silence is the best response.

In Liberty,

Travis L. Bost

LNC At-Large

Travi...@LP.org

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From: Travis Bost <travi...@lp.org>
Sent: Friday, September 11, 2026 6:22:29 PM (UTC+00:00) Monrovia, Reykjavik

To: Susan Hogarth <susan....@lp.org>; LNC Public <lnc-p...@lp.org>; lnc-public_forward <lnc-publi...@lp.org>
Subject: Re: LP convention logo at RNC

And apologies to the actual At-Large reps for my signature line, I’m on a different device.

Travis L. Bost

LNC Region 5 Alternate

Travi...@LP.org

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From: Austin Martin <austin...@lp.org>
Sent: Friday, September 11, 2026 6:31:28 PM (UTC+00:00) Monrovia, Reykjavik
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Subject: Re: LP convention logo at RNC

I call them nazis because it is an accurate, factual, and well-documented description of their behavior, not as a mere blanket statement.

We should not have a double standard.

Danke proves his Nazism by demanding my speech and writings be silenced every time I irritate his delicate feelings, as if the rules provided for the total control of someone else's speech.

It would be less offensive if he called me the whole book of slurs; violating someone's rights is much worse than saying something offensive, to Libertarians, at least. But the rules on the LNC are opposite; here it is okay to commit institutional acts of aggression, but criticisms about those acts are banned.

Same argument that punching someone is much worse violation of rights than inaccurately criticizing them.

This is why I mean it as a genuine description, and not just a slur.

Austin Martin

Ua mau ke ea o ka ʻāina i ka pono

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From: Steven Nekhaila <steven....@lp.org>
Sent: Friday, September 11, 2026 6:35:50 PM (UTC+00:00) Monrovia, Reykjavik
To: Austin Martin <austin...@lp.org>; Travis Bost <travi...@lp.org>; Susan Hogarth <susan....@lp.org>; LNC Public <lnc-p...@lp.org>; lnc-public_forward <lnc-publi...@lp.org>

Subject: Re: LP convention logo at RNC

Austin,

You’re just missing the blue hair.

I haven’t been called a nazi since 2015.

Sincerely,

Steven Nekhaila

At-Large, LNC

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From: Evan McMahon <evan.m...@lp.org>
Sent: Friday, September 11, 2026 6:40:36 PM (UTC+00:00) Monrovia, Reykjavik
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Subject: Re: LP convention logo at RNC

Mr. Martin,

Come to order. Your messages calling board members nazis, calling delegates degenerates and socialists, and making false claims as fact to how the LNC and convention would treat Mr. Ulbricht is out of order and an abuse of the LNC Public List asset.

Refrain from making any future statements and derogatory comments about the other members of this board. Refrain from making any future derogatory statements about the members of the LP. Practice decorum in compliance with the LNC Policy Manual and professional board standards.

Evan McMahon

Chair

Libertarian National Committee

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From: Austin Martin <austin...@lp.org>
Sent: Friday, September 11, 2026 6:42:59 PM (UTC+00:00) Monrovia, Reykjavik
To: Steven Nekhaila <steven....@lp.org>; Travis Bost <travi...@lp.org>; Susan Hogarth <susan....@lp.org>; LNC Public <lnc-p...@lp.org>; lnc-public_forward <lnc-publi...@lp.org>

Subject: Re: LP convention logo at RNC

The affiliates are not your franchisees.

They are autonomous and independent.

You are illegally breaching contract and punishing all dissenting opinions. I have seen the writing on the wall — in fact, you may remember this is why I joined the LNC.

I saw what you folks intended to do — that my state was in danger — and the only way to stop it was to enter the viper's den.

I am here to keep bad actors from taking over and destroying the work of our real activists — who, unlike you lazy parasites, actually carry the burden of the work.

My states sent me to say this to you in no uncertain terms:

"Fuck off".

It is my solemn duty.

Mr. Chair, kindly STFU with your threats to silence my written speech and the discharge of my duties.

Mahalo!

Austin Martin

R1

Ua mau ke ea o ka ʻāina i ka pono

From: Steven Nekhaila <steven....@lp.org>
Sent: Friday, 11 September 2026 08:35:50
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Subject: Re: LP convention logo at RNC

Austin,

You’re just missing the blue hair.

I haven’t been called a nazi since 2015.

Sincerely,

Steven Nekhaila

At-Large, LNC

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From: Susan Hogarth <susan....@lp.org>
Sent: Friday, September 11, 2026 6:43:01 PM (UTC+00:00) Monrovia, Reykjavik
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Subject: Re: LP convention logo at RNC

Fair enough. I think this practice of speaking to an image of the other person in our heads is something we all have to struggle against. I can certainly do better.

But in my defense I was responding to this:

"But for Angela McArdle ... there’s no LP branding at a once-in-50-years RNC midterm where the organizer is term limited."

I possibly have completely missed the point (I honestly don't even get the 'organizer is term limited' thing). But aren't you saying here that without McArdle and some subsequent things there'd be no 'LP branding' at a RNC convention?

And if you are, it's either a good thing, a bad thing, or a neutral thing that there was 'LP branding'. Was I mistaken in assuming you were treating it as a good thing?

Susan Hogarth

Region 5 Representative

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From: Evan McMahon <evan.m...@lp.org>
Sent: Friday, September 11, 2026 6:49:09 PM (UTC+00:00) Monrovia, Reykjavik
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Subject: Re: LP convention logo at RNC

Mr. Martin,

I again call you to order.

Making statements calling other board members nazis and delegates you don't like degenerates and socialists is not a discharge of your duty. It is aggressive and destructive behavior that the majority of this board is sick of dealing with.

Evan McMahon

Chair

Libertarian National Committee

From: Austin Martin <austin...@lp.org>
Sent: Friday, September 11, 2026 2:42 PM
To: Steven Nekhaila <steven....@lp.org>; Travis Bost <travi...@lp.org>; Susan Hogarth <susan....@lp.org>; LNC Public <lnc-p...@lp.org>; lnc-public_forward <lnc-publi...@lp.org>

Subject: Re: LP convention logo at RNC

The affiliates are not your franchisees.

They are autonomous and independent.

You are illegally breaching contract and punishing all dissenting opinions. I have seen the writing on the wall — in fact, you may remember this is why I joined the LNC.

I saw what you folks intended to do — that my state was in danger — and the only way to stop it was to enter the viper's den.

I am here to keep bad actors from taking over and destroying the work of our real activists — who, unlike you lazy parasites, actually carry the burden of the work.

My states sent me to say this to you in no uncertain terms:

"Fuck off".

It is my solemn duty.

Mr. Chair, kindly STFU with your threats to silence my written speech and the discharge of my duties.

Mahalo!

Austin Martin

R1

Ua mau ke ea o ka ʻāina i ka pono

From: Steven Nekhaila <steven....@lp.org>
Sent: Friday, 11 September 2026 08:35:50

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Subject: Re: LP convention logo at RNC

Austin,

You’re just missing the blue hair.

I haven’t been called a nazi since 2015.

Sincerely,

Steven Nekhaila

At-Large, LNC

From: Austin Martin <austin...@lp.org>

Sent: Friday, 11 September 2026 14:31:28

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Subject: Re: LP convention logo at RNC

I call them nazis because it is an accurate, factual, and well-documented description of their behavior, not as a mere blanket statement.

We should not have a double standard.

Danke proves his Nazism by demanding my speech and writings be silenced every time I irritate his delicate feelings, as if the rules provided for the total control of someone else's speech.

It would be less offensive if he called me the whole book of slurs; violating someone's rights is much worse than saying something offensive, to Libertarians, at least. But the rules on the LNC are opposite; here it is okay to commit institutional acts of aggression, but criticisms about those acts are banned.

Same argument that punching someone is much worse violation of rights than inaccurately criticizing them.

This is why I mean it as a genuine description, and not just a slur.

Austin Martin

Ua mau ke ea o ka ʻāina i ka pono

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From: Austin Martin <austin...@lp.org>
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Subject: Re: LP convention logo at RNC

What are you going to do?

Prove what "not-Nazis" you all are with more rigged SICs, wrongful exclusions, and censorship?

You going to open double SIC's on me for expressing unauthorized opinions? The way you folks treat me is precisely why Ross is not welcome in this party, and why we are having this conversation.

And what am I supposed to do?

Be silent?

Offer no objections when my rights and my region's rights are being pissed on?

You want me to deal with your delicate ego with soft gloves, obsequious groveling and scraping?

This is your fault.

Ua mau ke ea o ka ʻāina i ka pono

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From: Dustin Coffell <dustin....@lp.org>
Sent: Friday, September 11, 2026 6:53:10 PM (UTC+00:00) Monrovia, Reykjavik

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Subject: Re: LP convention logo at RNC

You've pushed too far, Mr. Martin. The goodwill I extended in Grand Rapids has been fully exhausted - I'll not make that mistake a second time.

I join in the request to call the member to order. Enough is enough.

Dustin Coffell

Region 3 North Representative, Libertarian National Committee

dustin....@lp.org

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From: Austin Martin <austin...@lp.org>
Sent: Friday, September 11, 2026 6:53:37 PM (UTC+00:00) Monrovia, Reykjavik
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Subject: Re: LP convention logo at RNC

We aren't in a meeting, you pompous prick.

Ua mau ke ea o ka ʻāina i ka pono

From: Austin Martin <austin...@lp.org>
Sent: Friday, 11 September 2026 08:52:03
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Subject: Re: LP convention logo at RNC

What are you going to do?

Prove what "not-Nazis" you all are with more rigged SICs, wrongful exclusions, and censorship?

You going to open double SIC's on me for expressing unauthorized opinions? The way you folks treat me is precisely why Ross is not welcome in this party, and why we are having this conversation.

And what am I supposed to do?

Be silent?

Offer no objections when my rights and my region's rights are being pissed on?

You want me to deal with your delicate ego with soft gloves, obsequious groveling and scraping?

This is your fault.

Ua mau ke ea o ka ʻāina i ka pono

From: Evan McMahon <evan.m...@lp.org>

Sent: Friday, 11 September 2026 08:49:09

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Subject: Re: LP convention logo at RNC

Mr. Martin,

I again call you to order.

Making statements calling other board members nazis and delegates you don't like degenerates and socialists is not a discharge of your duty. It is aggressive and destructive behavior that the majority of this board is sick of dealing with.

Evan McMahon

Chair

Libertarian National Committee

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From: Austin Martin <austin...@lp.org>
Sent: Friday, September 11, 2026 6:56:48 PM (UTC+00:00) Monrovia, Reykjavik

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Subject: Re: LP convention logo at RNC

Every time someone calls for my censorship under false pretenses, it is worse than all the ugly names ever used on the LNC.

Speech is not violence.

Censorship is

Ua mau ke ea o ka ʻāina i ka pono

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From: Susan Hogarth <susan....@lp.org>
Sent: Friday, September 11, 2026 6:59:28 PM (UTC+00:00) Monrovia, Reykjavik
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Subject: Re: LP convention logo at RNC

It's fortunate that Region 1 has an alternate who can step in to represent the R1 states in the event that their Representative is unable to function without serious and continuous breeches of civility and decorum during a meeting.

Susan Hogarth

Region 5 Representative

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From: Austin Martin <austin...@lp.org>
Sent: Friday, September 11, 2026 7:05:24 PM (UTC+00:00) Monrovia, Reykjavik
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Subject: Re: LP convention logo at RNC

It is unfortunate that you folks cannot endure criticism and must attempt the use of force to silence unauthorized opinions.

I am not behaving any different from you folks, except that I am using speech instead of censorship and aggression.

If you think my speech is a problem, you could deal with it properly. It doesn't kill you. At worst, it is a mere annoyance.

But I call you "Nazis" because you cannot abide playing by fair rules. You folks are "calling to order" outside of a meeting to force me to be silent.

I am not coming at anyone unprovoked. You folks are the aggressors here.

I do not think I am violating decorum. I think you folks are doing that by censoring dissent.

Ua mau ke ea o ka ʻāina i ka pono

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From: Joe Hannoush <joe.ha...@lp.org>
Sent: Friday, September 11, 2026 7:07:59 PM (UTC+00:00) Monrovia, Reykjavik
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Subject: Re: LP convention logo at RNC

Chair, I request Mr. Martin be called to order for abusing the public list in violation of Policy Manual Section 1.07 (4)

Joe Hannoush

Libertarian National Committee

Candidate Support Committee

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From: Evan McMahon <evan.m...@lp.org>
Sent: Friday, September 11, 2026 7:12:51 PM (UTC+00:00) Monrovia, Reykjavik
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Subject: Re: LP convention logo at RNC

Mr. Martin,

Defending members of this board from your libelous and defamatory statements about them is the role of the Chair. Stopping your unhinged antics, theatrics, victimhood, messiah complex, and outlandish conspiracy theories from getting in the way of a functioning board doing its job is not censorship - it is the discharge of our duties.

If you cannot state and advocate for your opposition to policies and practices of this organization in a professional manner... if you despise the rest of the board so much (the board elected by majority of the delegates)... then maybe you should find some other place where you vast fundraising and volunteer efforts can truly be appreciated.

Evan McMahon

Chair - Libertarian National Committee

From: Austin Martin <austin...@lp.org>

Sent: Friday, September 11, 2026 2:56:50 PM

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Subject: Re: LP convention logo at RNC

Every time someone calls for my censorship under false pretenses, it is worse than all the ugly names ever used on the LNC.

Speech is not violence.

Censorship is

Ua mau ke ea o ka ʻāina i ka pono

From: Austin Martin <austin...@lp.org>

Sent: Friday, 11 September 2026 08:53:37

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Subject: Re: LP convention logo at RNC

We aren't in a meeting, you pompous prick.

Ua mau ke ea o ka ʻāina i ka pono

From: Austin Martin <austin...@lp.org>

Sent: Friday, 11 September 2026 08:52:03

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Subject: Re: LP convention logo at RNC

What are you going to do?

Prove what "not-Nazis" you all are with more rigged SICs, wrongful exclusions, and censorship?

You going to open double SIC's on me for expressing unauthorized opinions? The way you folks treat me is precisely why Ross is not welcome in this party, and why we are having this conversation.

And what am I supposed to do?

Be silent?

Offer no objections when my rights and my region's rights are being pissed on?

You want me to deal with your delicate ego with soft gloves, obsequious groveling and scraping?

This is your fault.

Ua mau ke ea o ka ʻāina i ka pono

From: Evan McMahon <evan.m...@lp.org>

Sent: Friday, 11 September 2026 08:49:09

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Subject: Re: LP convention logo at RNC

Mr. Martin,

I again call you to order.

Making statements calling other board members nazis and delegates you don't like degenerates and socialists is not a discharge of your duty. It is aggressive and destructive behavior that the majority of this board is sick of dealing with.

Evan McMahon

Chair

Libertarian National Committee

From: Austin Martin <austin...@lp.org>

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From: Steven Nekhaila <steven....@lp.org>
Sent: Friday, September 11, 2026 7:22:35 PM (UTC+00:00) Monrovia, Reykjavik
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Subject: Re: LP convention logo at RNC

“I do not think I am violating decorum. I think you folks are doing that by censoring dissent.”

Lol.

Last month you said colleagues were subhuman terrorists fit for Guantanamo bay.

You may excuse yourself by stating that is your objective opinion.

I have quite a few objective opinions myself.

Mr. Chair, I ask that the member be called to order.

Sincerely,

Steven Nekhaila

At-Large, LNC

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From: Rose Leatherman <rose.le...@lp.org>
Sent: Friday, September 11, 2026 7:46:42 PM (UTC+00:00) Monrovia, Reykjavik
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Subject: Re: LP convention logo at RNC

Mr. Chair,

While I may not be able to officially request that Mr. Martin be called to order since Mr. Danke already made a request, I would like to echo the sentiments expressed by several other members here by stating that I agree this has gone far enough. I think we're all tired of the constant stream of unhinged accusations, defamatory comments about other party members, and general inability to engage most of this board in good faith. Being voted in by a region does NOT grant a representative the right to be abusive towards rest of the LNC. I will also add that the rights of every other region (including my own) are violated when this board is effectively held hostage and prevented from focusing its time and energy on actual productive party business, due to one representative‘s disruptive behavior.

Rose Leatherman

Region 8 Alternate

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From: Sonja Feintech <sonja.f...@lp.org>
Sent: Friday, September 11, 2026 8:39:42 PM (UTC+00:00) Monrovia, Reykjavik
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Subject: Re: LP convention logo at RNC

That's kind of you Ms. Hogarth that you recognized me as an alternative to Mr. Martin however I do believe you will be displeased with the result.

I will take this moment to yet again, remind everyone that words are still not violence and that calling members to order when not in regular/special meetings is not a viable mechanism to control speech, as parliamentary procedure does not exist outside of LNC meetings.

Also - I catch up on the stuff here a couple times a day, anyone complaining about how unfair it is to have to read emails all day and that it's inconvenient either have way too much time on their hands or are way in over their heads with the time commitment required and should probably reassess their position in this organization.

Thank you for your attention to this matter.

Sonja Feintech

LNC Region 1 Alt

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From: Susan Hogarth <susan....@lp.org>
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Subject: Re: LP convention logo at RNC

I don't recall anyone claiming that words were violent. As Mr Bost pointed out, maybe it would be best if we stuck to responding to what people actually say instead of what we imagine they are thinking.

Setting parliamentary niceties aside, common decency and a desire to work together productively would dictate that Mr Martin treat his fellow board members with respect. Saying "it's not against the rules for him to be an asshole!" is certainly not the flex you might think it is.

Susan Hogarth

Region 5 Representative

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From: Austin Martin <austin...@lp.org>
Sent: Friday, September 11, 2026 10:18:54 PM (UTC+00:00) Monrovia, Reykjavik
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Subject: Re: LP convention logo at RNC

Respect cuts both ways.

I am constantly assaulted by improper attempts and calls to violate my member rights and the rights of my states.

Then my reaction is framed as the problem.

Words like "Nazi" have real and politically useful meaning, especially when describing unreasonable draconians.

Can anyone describe the difference between calling someone a "Nazi" and calling someone a "nigger"?

Calling someone a "Nazi" is characterizing someone's choices and behavior — generally describing tyranny, aggressive manipulation, unfair prejudice, abuses of authority, repression, control, or other draconian acts. Therefore the word "Nazi" represents a critical opinion which is to be protected, regardless of whether it causes offense in the person or action being described.

The other word, "nigger" is an offensive pejorative slur against an immutable personal characteristic, namely, disparagement toward race or skin color, and cannot in any way be characterized as a substantive critique of choices, actions, or character.

Only one of the two above examples would actually create an actionable policy violation. I would condemn someone using abusive racial slurs against a colleague — but calling them a "Nazi" or a "socialist" or a "nihilist" or even words like "prick" are perfectly acceptable polemical descriptive terms aimed at unfair actions.

Ironically, the State of Hawaii also tried to prosecute me for using the word "Nazi" to describe the enforcers covid mandates. They behaved the same way as the Nazi-LNC is behaving today in nearly every way.

They too characterized it as "disorderly conduct" and "violating the governor's emergency powers".

So I ask — in what way are you not behaving like "Nazis" right now?

Mahalo!

Austin Martin

Ua mau ke ea o ka ʻāina i ka pono

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From: Sonja Feintech <sonja.f...@lp.org>
Sent: Friday, September 11, 2026 10:35:27 PM (UTC+00:00) Monrovia, Reykjavik
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Subject: Re: LP convention logo at RNC

In response to Ms. Hogarth,

Calling attention to what people actually DO and what their actions tell you is far more valuable than whatever words come out of their mouth. Calling that out is not disrespectful when calling a spade a spade.

Policing speech because the subject matter is uncomfortable is not cause to censure nor invoke parliamentary procedure outside of meetings (cause that's silly and impossible.)

It's akin to being in public and calling the police whenever someone hurts your feelings by saying something mean. Their authority is not to police speech and invoking their authority is just a way to avoid dealing with your own problems by crying to daddy.

It's not against the rules for him to be an asshole if that's what you think he is, nor is it against the rules for you yourself to be an asshole if I think you are. Being an "asshole" is subjective and in the eye, or sensitivities, of the beholder. My feelings being hurt is my problem, not anyone else's. I thought adults understood that but alas, here we are.

At the end of the day I was pushing back on the invoking of "Call the member to order!" constantly on the email thread vs any other methods of discourse and debate being used. I was also remarking on some members inability to control their time usage on this email server and complaining about the tedium of having to read the opinions of those who don't agree with them. The horror!

Give me a break.

Sonja Feintech

LNC Region 1 Alt

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From: Susan Hogarth <susan....@lp.org>
Sent: Friday, September 11, 2026 10:53:30 PM (UTC+00:00) Monrovia, Reykjavik
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Subject: Re: LP convention logo at RNC

Not sure why you're talking about my feelings or comfort level. Those are not the issue.

Susan Hogarth

Region 5 Representative

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From: Travis Bost <travi...@lp.org>
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Subject: Re: LP convention logo at RNC

Susan,

The unfortunate topic of discussion was contemplating whether “I did it” was boasting about a specific recent act or something more general. I illustrated how it could easily be the latter, by laying out a timeline where the conditions for last night's spectacle don’t happen without YEARS of involvement by Ms. McArdle (benign or otherwise).

Last night might be “good”, it might be “not good”. That wasn’t the question before us. My thoughts? It’s complicated, and it depends on where you focus the lens. It’s bad for all the reasons the Chair laid out. Some might find a silver lining or see an opportunity.

The fact of Ross being free and welcomed to tell his story before divers groups is good. But that's not license to celebrate Trump & the RNC taking advantage of the situation to further their own interests--which are undoubtedly contrary to ours--and not what we were talking about when I presented my response.

P.S. --"divers" is spelled intentionally

In Liberty,

Travis L. Bost

LNC Region 5 Alternate

Travi...@LP.org