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Subject: DRAFT AUGUST MINUTES

Per the below Policy Manual policy, these minutes are submitted for the auto-approval process. Corrections must be submitted by October 2, 2024. They are too large to be attached and can be found here: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1GIWQGX7HeJkQHnCKny505IGu_eDHxdj1/edit?usp=sharing&ouid=104636191705631799215&rtpof=true&sd=true

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• Corrections, clarifications, and changes to the draft minutes may be submitted for the Secretary's consideration for a period of fifteen (15) days following the distribution of the draft minutes. The Secretary shall distribute an updated version of the draft minutes not later than seven (7) days following the end of that submission period. If no changes are distributed during that period, the minutes shall be promoted from draft to final.

• The updated version shall be deemed official if no LNC Member challenges the content to the Secretary within seven (7) days of the distribution of the updated version. Only Executive Committee members can present challenges to Executive Committee minutes. Any additional changes will be made by the Secretary within two (2) days and distributed for an additional seven (7) day review period. This process shall repeat until there are no challenges or the next regular LNC meeting, whichever comes first.

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Subject: Re: DRAFT AUGUST MINUTES

I don’t believe the hyperbole or editorializing is appropriate for official meeting minutes.

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Subject: Re: DRAFT AUGUST MINUTES

Since I do not agree to changes which were integral part of record, I give notice for review and ordered changes or approval for our 10/6 meeting.

Are there nonsubstantive changes to dispense with?

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Subject: Re: DRAFT AUGUST MINUTES

This file is 1.3G large. Everyone please review it. I'm waiting for it download.

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Subject: Re: DRAFT AUGUST MINUTES

It would not let me attach as sometimes happens.

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Subject: Re: DRAFT AUGUST MINUTES

Well, if the Chair or another voting member wants to “order changes” before the minutes are adopted (particularly from page 22 on) to accurately reflect the events that took place without the generous editorializing, I would welcome that. If it doesn’t happen, it’s honestly whatever. I just want to make it clear that I don’t believe certain sections are accurate or appropriate.

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RONR citation for "ordering changes"? That requires a vote. I will honor any vote.

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Subject: Re: DRAFT AUGUST MINUTES

I believe Mr. Malagon was just referencing your previous email, not trying to order changes.

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Subject: Re: DRAFT AUGUST MINUTES

I easily could have misunderstood. What I mean by “ordered changes” is by vote of the assembly which is handled as a motion (see RONR 41:10). Thank you for that Mr. Bost.

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Subject: Re: DRAFT AUGUST MINUTES

I reviewed and since Mr. Malagon was non-specific I had to guess. I don’t want to waste agenda time so here are my comments and what I can agree to amend.

Pg. 22: the part about personal attacks was literally part of the motion. Mr. Malagon should have objected and had it struck then. I do not agree to voluntarily remove but will of course obey the will of the body.

Pg. 24: I am willing to change if the change is to strike the entire paragraph under “Colorado” is changed to “Chair McArdle led a discussion on the topic.” That is a reasonable change.

If Mr. Malagon can agree to those we can continue with the auto-approval process and not have agenda time. I am going to make the change to page 24 voluntarily in any event as I think that is a valid point. It is not editorializing on page 22 when that is what I literally said in the motion. It would be editorializing if I included other LNC members comments about how the specific example I gave of just one insult was somehow not an insult.

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Subject: Re: DRAFT AUGUST MINUTES

Here is a new V2 link with the change to page 24.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1FnZJtA5U0EyGg_6aW3s-I60sitCR8YCD/edit?usp=sharing&ouid=104636191705631799215&rtpof=true&sd=true

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My Regional Chair does not consider those changes sufficient and as such, Region Four objects to the adoption of the minutes as they stand and will be voting against.

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Subject: Re: DRAFT AUGUST MINUTES

Mr. Malagon so that we do not have to play the game where you tell the Region 4 Representative (who is the only one who can object) that you are sitting in as alternative for Ms. Hays since you are her chair, let’s just say that all already happened, and I will remove these from auto-approval and notice them for our 10/6 meeting.

Please note in a motion that specific changes need to be moved so if you can write those out for me, it would be greatly appreciated.

Also I still welcome any grammatical nonsubstantive changes.

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Subject: Re: DRAFT AUGUST MINUTES

On page 25 I believe it should say "... set a time limit for one (1) week..."

Currently it says "... set a time limit for (1)..."

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It does- a member wrote to tell me. Maybe redownload?

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Subject: Re: DRAFT AUGUST MINUTES

A member wrote to note a missing word that I said I would include in V3 in case LNC members found any other grammatical errors. Since we are not doing auto-approval, I will send V3 next week on my return.

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Here is link for V3

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1qzCm_4iHgOriVXsiNZQ29PKhmNHShYxR/view?usp=sharing

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Subject: Re: DRAFT AUGUST MINUTES

A member sent in some minor corrections but giving it time for more.

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