Is email posting to Telegram groups possible?
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Graham Saunders
Apr 24, 2017, 5:26:03 AM4/24/17
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A question for the techy-minded...
Is it possible to post to a Telegram Group via an email address? My reason for asking is that Spot locators send out a pre-written message with a map location to specified email addresses on the press of a button, which is independent of phone reception, so a quick one-button press guaranteed to instantly post on the XCRetrieve group would then be possible.
Just askin'...
Graham
Przemek Marek
Apr 24, 2017, 6:26:48 AM4/24/17
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Simple answer: yes it is, guys in England do it.
But I'm not sure how and I'm not volunteering to do this, for a backlog of other tasks to deal with at the moment. Tim Pentreath might be the guy to ask about how they do it over there.
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Graham Saunders
Apr 24, 2017, 9:41:04 AM4/24/17
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I don't know who Tim Pentreath is, Przemek.
Can you forward my email to him?
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Simple answer: yes it is, guys in England do it.But I'm not sure how and I'm not volunteering to do this, for a backlog of other tasks to deal with at the moment. Tim Pentreath might be the guy to ask about how they do it over there.P.
On 24 Apr 2017 10:26, "'Graham Saunders' via LLSC" <ll...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
A question for the techy-minded...Is it possible to post to a Telegram Group via an email address? My reason for asking is that Spot locators send out a pre-written message with a map location to specified email addresses on the press of a button, which is independent of phone reception, so a quick one-button press guaranteed to instantly post on the XCRetrieve group would then be possible.Just askin'...Graham
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Alastair P
Apr 24, 2017, 10:32:15 AM4/24/17
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Probably possible using IFTTT (no programming)
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Jamie Glendinning
Apr 24, 2017, 11:06:20 AM4/24/17
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You can write a telegram bot that can handle things for you. They are pretty straight forward to set up.
I've written one which gave me met office obs data when queried. Which worked quite well until someone got access to the api code and trashed it. Not had the time or inclination to retry it yet. You also need a https service to run your scripts behind and that puts a £60 fee on top of things for my webhost.
the technical bits - All spot devices (and inreach) have a guid that gives you access to a json (and or xml) feed.
so it should be very straight forward to query the feed and if you get a message then post a message to the group.
Stuart Yarrow had something running at one point and I have things set up so any of the wingbeat guys send a spot ok message our google group gets an email.
so yep. pretty straight forward to do but the fun part is finding the time to do it.
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Graham Saunders
Apr 24, 2017, 11:55:56 AM4/24/17
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Jamie,
Getting the Spot to send an ok message by email (with a link to a map location) to any specific email account (including the LLSC forum) or mobile phone is easy and can be instantly set up on the Spot website under your personal account, but what I am wondering is whether the Telegram XCRetrieve group has a simple "postable" email address too. I was really just thinking that this would be a way of quickly sending a location without being restricted by mobile phone reception and battery issues, which is a common problem for me...
As always with these things I guess it's not that simple. Alastair mentioned something called "IFTTT" and this website implies that Telegram is associated with it, but I have no idea what that means and have too little time to investigate right now...
Ho hum... it seemed a good idea at the time...
Graham
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You can write a telegram bot that can handle things for you. They are pretty straight forward to set up.
I've written one which gave me met office obs data when queried. Which worked quite well until someone got access to the api code and trashed it. Not had the time or inclination to retry it yet. You also need a https service to run your scripts behind and that puts a £60 fee on top of things for my webhost.
the technical bits - All spot devices (and inreach) have a guid that gives you access to a json (and or xml) feed.
so it should be very straight forward to query the feed and if you get a message then post a message to the group.
Stuart Yarrow had something running at one point and I have things set up so any of the wingbeat guys send a spot ok message our google group gets an email.
so yep. pretty straight forward to do but the fun part is finding the time to do it.
Jamie
On 2017-04-24 11:26, Przemek Marek wrote:
Simple answer: yes it is, guys in England do it.But I'm not sure how and I'm not volunteering to do this, for a backlog of other tasks to deal with at the moment. Tim Pentreath might be the guy to ask about how they do it over there.P.
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A question for the techy-minded...Is it possible to post to a Telegram Group via an email address? My reason for asking is that Spot locators send out a pre-written message with a map location to specified email addresses on the press of a button, which is independent of phone reception, so a quick one-button press guaranteed to instantly post on the XCRetrieve group would then be possible.Just askin'...Graham--
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Jamie Glendinning
Apr 24, 2017, 12:04:40 PM4/24/17
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Hi Graham,
I think I came at it from the angle of getting a spot generated email posting on a google group. Which is hard to do because you have to have a validated address and noreply@spot (or whatever the address is) is kind of hard to verify!
Telegram is all about not sending emails so you need to set up a telegram bot to do it. As soon as you need to do that then it's just as easy to query the info directly rather than write an email gateway. It also ends up being a tad dodgy to publish an email address that you can send to that publishes to a service directly as then spammers can gain access to the address and spam the group.
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Apr 24, 2017, 4:16:52 PM4/24/17
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Hi Graham,
IFTTT - just to expand - is an app with IOS/Android/browser based versions that let you set up combinations of triggers and actions, it all runs on the internet and connects with just about anything running there. In your case an email would be the trigger and forwarding to a telegram group the action - you can either use the job linked below directly or use it as a starting point and set the correct parameters (it send gmails to telegram) https://ifttt.com/applets/UwPY3BUC-send-incoming-gmail-emails-to-telegram.
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Przemek Marek
Apr 24, 2017, 4:42:22 PM4/24/17
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Graham, I messaged Tim about this - will let you know when I hear back from him.
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Hi Graham,IFTTT - just to expand - is an app with IOS/Android/browser based versions that let you set up combinations of triggers and actions, it all runs on the internet and connects with just about anything running there. In your case an email would be the trigger and forwarding to a telegram group the action - you can either use the job linked below directly or use it as a starting point and set the correct parameters (it send gmails to telegram) https://ifttt.com/applets/UwPY3BUC-send-incoming-gmail-emails-to-telegram.Cheers...Alastair P
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Jamie,Getting the Spot to send an ok message by email (with a link to a map location) to any specific email account (including the LLSC forum) or mobile phone is easy and can be instantly set up on the Spot website under your personal account, but what I am wondering is whether the Telegram XCRetrieve group has a simple "postable" email address too. I was really just thinking that this would be a way of quickly sending a location without being restricted by mobile phone reception and battery issues, which is a common problem for me...As always with these things I guess it's not that simple. Alastair mentioned something called "IFTTT" and this website implies that Telegram is associated with it, but I have no idea what that means and have too little time to investigate right now...Ho hum... it seemed a good idea at the time...Graham
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Przemek Marek
Apr 24, 2017, 5:30:19 PM4/24/17
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OK, had a chat with Tim and basically, what you want to achieve Graham (i.e. SPOT OK message going into our Telegram XC Retrieve group) is not possible. Despite what I said earlier. I was wrong...
What they do down south is they collate Telegram messages/locations as well as SPOT and Delorme locations on a web page and coordinate retrieves through this. But this would be a pain to load up when on the move in Scotland since the reception often tends to be patchy so that's not ideal. A bit more detail here: https://flyaszent.wordpress.com/xc-retrieve/
Tim mentioned however that this issue has been brought up in the past, and someone is looking into this. IMHO for Scottish retrieves getting an additional layer like the webpage isn't ideal, getting everything organised through one telegram group seems to work just fine. If we can add the functionality you are thinking about through IFTTT or something similar, and still keep everything within one Telegram group, this would be ace!
Przemek
On 24 April 2017 at 21:41, Przemek Marek <przeme...@gmail.com> wrote:
Graham, I messaged Tim about this - will let you know when I hear back from him.
On 24 April 2017 at 21:16, Alastair P <goo...@pandelus.net> wrote:
Hi Graham,IFTTT - just to expand - is an app with IOS/Android/browser based versions that let you set up combinations of triggers and actions, it all runs on the internet and connects with just about anything running there. In your case an email would be the trigger and forwarding to a telegram group the action - you can either use the job linked below directly or use it as a starting point and set the correct parameters (it send gmails to telegram) https://ifttt.com/applets/UwPY3BUC-send-incoming-gmail-emails-to-telegram.Cheers...Alastair P
On Mon, 24 Apr 2017, at 04:55 PM, 'Graham Saunders' via LLSC wrote:
Jamie,Getting the Spot to send an ok message by email (with a link to a map location) to any specific email account (including the LLSC forum) or mobile phone is easy and can be instantly set up on the Spot website under your personal account, but what I am wondering is whether the Telegram XCRetrieve group has a simple "postable" email address too. I was really just thinking that this would be a way of quickly sending a location without being restricted by mobile phone reception and battery issues, which is a common problem for me...As always with these things I guess it's not that simple. Alastair mentioned something called "IFTTT" and this website implies that Telegram is associated with it, but I have no idea what that means and have too little time to investigate right now...Ho hum... it seemed a good idea at the time...Graham
Graham Saunders
Apr 24, 2017, 6:15:05 PM4/24/17
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Ok... Thanks Przemek. Shame... the retrieve Telegram group works well. It seemed like a perfectly logical step to link it to the Spot messaging facility to get around the irksome Scottish mobile reception issues.
I'll investigate the IFTTT thing when I get some time...
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Alastair P
Apr 25, 2017, 5:14:26 AM4/25/17
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Sorry don't have one of theses devices... can it be configured to send to multiple email addresses? If so i was thinking one email address could be reserved for telegram and one IFTTT job could run for everyone, facebook and twitter are also possible sources, as spot seems to support these also, if only 1 email is supported. I could have a look at other possibilities, I'd need some sample messages to test. Could have a look at it this week.
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Przemek Marek
Apr 25, 2017, 5:18:55 AM4/25/17
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Yes, you can send to multiple email addresses (from SPOT, pretty sure Delorme will do the same) and this is actually free (you pay for sending out texts). If you want to test it out let me know, I can set up a couple of additional emails to send to from my SPOT so you can see if it works.
P.
Alastair P
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Ok can you fwd offline? If i could get a couple from someone else too in case the format varies between user (graham?) if its a simple forwarding of email to telegram in principle it should work for any device, might need a 2nd IFTTT job. If it does work id send it to a test telegram group first.
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I'll forward you something in a sec.
P.
Graham Saunders
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Alastair P
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Ok got them... give me a few days.
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Brendan Reid
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guys, I don't think this is worthwhile
let's keep things separate and simple please
xcfind for spot and delorme which are satellite based
telegram for telegram locations which are cell phone based
there is very little advantage to mixing the two up
if you can receive a telegram location from someone it means you have
mobile internet - so you can look up xcfind.
let's keep things separate and simple please
xcfind for spot and delorme which are satellite based
telegram for telegram locations which are cell phone based
there is very little advantage to mixing the two up
if you can receive a telegram location from someone it means you have
mobile internet - so you can look up xcfind.
Alastair P
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I've set up a test service, temporary telegram invite link is https://t.me/joinchat/AAAAAAe-ZCRuYh-n1IIqzA. Currently it's configured to relay any emails sent by spot devices (or any other devices that have email capability) to to plotsc...@gmail.com, so you need to set up your spot to notify this address. Nothing else is required.
I'll monitor what appears in this group and tweak things as required. It could potentially be incorporated into the XC retrieve group at a later date.
Note that web links to maps etc. get remapped, though they still work.
Cheers...
Alastair P
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Oops Brendan... beat you too it... :) I'll leave it to the club to decide whether they want to use this...
Cheers...
Alastair
Graham Saunders
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I would disagree, Bren...
An early start and a mountain of emails and telegram messages on a good XC day seems to pretty much destroy my phone battery by the middle of the afternoon to the point where I sometimes have to turn it off, so I like the idea of using the Spot to post my location, aside from its independence of phone reception. Obviously, people will mainly only look for your location on xcfind if they think you might have landed anyway, which could result in a lack of retrieve coordination.
I was just looking for a simple solution - rather than me typing a message to XCRetrieve I was thinking that my Spot could do it with a quick touch of a single button (I can't see my phone screen very well in bright sunlight anyway!) and this has the advantage of broadcasting your position immediately without waiting for phone reception.. Alastair seems to have achieved that function without any additional complications at our end, so I'm keen to embrace the additional tracking functionality.
We could always set up a separate Telegram retrieve group for Spot users (Alastair has done that already to test it), but that would seem monumentally counter-productive!
Graham
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Przemek Marek
Apr 25, 2017, 8:54:24 AM4/25/17
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I think if we can use very brief versions of SPOT check-in email, then it won't hurt having it on the telegram group. I was hoping that the IFTTT could scrape lat/lon from the email and post it as a pin in the group (come on Alistair, I'm sure you can figure this out? ;-) but even having check-in message posted to XC Retrieve is good. XC Find doesn't always load where there's poor reception, telegram messages come up and stay on the phone. From my recent experience of retrieving people, it would have helped at least twice.
P.
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Jamie Glendinning
Apr 25, 2017, 9:25:55 AM4/25/17
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lat/long is in the spot json feed. One of the telegram message types is a "location" so should be easy to set up a telegram location type post for a spot message.
I have the bits to colate the spot messages but not got a telegram bot set up as yet.
I know alastair has bits working as I've been meaning to do this anyway I may have a different way to do it at some point. And it makes for an interesting challenge when working away from home.
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Sándor Czettner
Apr 25, 2017, 9:18:07 PM4/25/17
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This service can be used to receive email notifications (with full email body) to Telegram: https://jaconda.im/
I'm not sure you can send messages to groups, but worth a try.On Mon, 24 Apr 2017 at 11:26 Przemek Marek <przeme...@gmail.com> wrote:
Simple answer: yes it is, guys in England do it.But I'm not sure how and I'm not volunteering to do this, for a backlog of other tasks to deal with at the moment. Tim Pentreath might be the guy to ask about how they do it over there.P.
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--A question for the techy-minded...Is it possible to post to a Telegram Group via an email address? My reason for asking is that Spot locators send out a pre-written message with a map location to specified email addresses on the press of a button, which is independent of phone reception, so a quick one-button press guaranteed to instantly post on the XCRetrieve group would then be possible.Just askin'...Graham
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Przemek Marek
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Actually - just noticed that now the telegram pins are available on XC Find website. Which is also available in a neat app (as Iain Frew pointed out recently - really worth downloading!). So while XC retrieve is a good telegram group to coordinate retrieves, we can just use XC Find (app, or website) to have an overview of all SPOTs/Delormes as well as Telegram pins. So that seems like problem solved to me?
P.
On 24 April 2017 at 11:53, Sándor Czettner <czet...@gmail.com> wrote:
The good thing about Telegram is it's open API, so worst case you need a small script that can post to Telegram.This service can be used to receive email notifications (with full email body) to Telegram: https://jaconda.im/I'm not sure you can send messages to groups, but worth a try.
On Mon, 24 Apr 2017 at 11:26 Przemek Marek <przeme...@gmail.com> wrote:
Simple answer: yes it is, guys in England do it.But I'm not sure how and I'm not volunteering to do this, for a backlog of other tasks to deal with at the moment. Tim Pentreath might be the guy to ask about how they do it over there.P.
On 24 Apr 2017 10:26, "'Graham Saunders' via LLSC" <ll...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
--A question for the techy-minded...Is it possible to post to a Telegram Group via an email address? My reason for asking is that Spot locators send out a pre-written message with a map location to specified email addresses on the press of a button, which is independent of phone reception, so a quick one-button press guaranteed to instantly post on the XCRetrieve group would then be possible.Just askin'...Graham
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Mike Jardine
Apr 29, 2017, 3:30:15 AM4/29/17
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Hi Przemek
Where is the XC Find app available? Or is it just Android?
Cheers
Mike
On 26 April 2017 at 10:55, Przemek Marek <przeme...@gmail.com> wrote:
Actually - just noticed that now the telegram pins are available on XC Find website. Which is also available in a neat app (as Iain Frew pointed out recently - really worth downloading!). So while XC retrieve is a good telegram group to coordinate retrieves, we can just use XC Find (app, or website) to have an overview of all SPOTs/Delormes as well as Telegram pins. So that seems like problem solved to me?P.
On 24 April 2017 at 11:53, Sándor Czettner <czet...@gmail.com> wrote:
The good thing about Telegram is it's open API, so worst case you need a small script that can post to Telegram.This service can be used to receive email notifications (with full email body) to Telegram: https://jaconda.im/I'm not sure you can send messages to groups, but worth a try.
On Mon, 24 Apr 2017 at 11:26 Przemek Marek <przeme...@gmail.com> wrote:
Simple answer: yes it is, guys in England do it.But I'm not sure how and I'm not volunteering to do this, for a backlog of other tasks to deal with at the moment. Tim Pentreath might be the guy to ask about how they do it over there.P.
On 24 Apr 2017 10:26, "'Graham Saunders' via LLSC" <ll...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
--A question for the techy-minded...Is it possible to post to a Telegram Group via an email address? My reason for asking is that Spot locators send out a pre-written message with a map location to specified email addresses on the press of a button, which is independent of phone reception, so a quick one-button press guaranteed to instantly post on the XCRetrieve group would then be possible.Just askin'...Graham
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Przemek Marek
Apr 29, 2017, 3:32:18 AM4/29/17
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I've got it on Android through Google Play store, so if it's available for an iPhone at all then I presume it would be on iStore (or whatever it is called for Apple)?
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Just Android its available on..
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