[whoisdatabase@hotmail.com: Re: Network Solutions Lists]
John Fraizer
I am so %^&*$ sick of getting email from spammers that I supposedly "opted
in" to, I'm about ready to start high-bandwidth testing to them. If they
complain, I'll just say "Please do not be offended. This is not a DoS
attack. Your network is on our Opt-In list of people who are interested in
increasing their ICMP traffic."
What a load of crap. My ass I opted in. Show me the logs, baby.
At 06:12 PM 12/12/98 -0600, James Rishaw wrote:
>Please do not be offended by this email.
>This is not a mass spam mailing. Your
>email address is on an Opt-In list of domain
>owners who are interested in increasing
>their website traffic.
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John Fraizer
bark. No bite. I have no desire to be Bill Clintons cell mate.
Now, if I could just set up some off-shore company in Singapore to do
this....Naw...it'd never work.
John Fraizer
>Lern to quote properly, James Rishaw did *not* say what you attributed to
>him below, in fact he complained about it.
I tell you what. If you will turn on your spell checker and take a `lude
and chill out, I'll be more careful when I quote. (Notice your spelling of
the word "learn" above.) If you will note the email a bit more carefully,
you will notice that I did not attribute it directly to Jamie.
>At 06:12 PM 12/12/98 -0600, James Rishaw wrote:
>
>>Please do not be offended by this email.
>>This is not a mass spam mailing. Your
>>email address is on an Opt-In list of domain
>>owners who are interested in increasing
>>their website traffic.
Do you notice the ">>"? That indicates that it has been quoted twice. I
am quoting HIS quoting something.
Mathias Koerber
him below, in fact he complained about it.
-----Original Message-----
From: John Fraizer <John.F...@EnterZone.Net>
To: ja...@ais.net <ja...@ais.net>; na...@merit.edu <na...@merit.edu>
Date: Sunday, December 13, 1998 9:34 AM
Subject: Re: [whoisd...@hotmail.com: Re: Network Solutions Lists]
>
>I am so %^&*$ sick of getting email from spammers that I supposedly "opted
>in" to, I'm about ready to start high-bandwidth testing to them. If they
>complain, I'll just say "Please do not be offended. This is not a DoS
>attack. Your network is on our Opt-In list of people who are interested in
>increasing their ICMP traffic."
>
>What a load of crap. My ass I opted in. Show me the logs, baby.
>
>At 06:12 PM 12/12/98 -0600, James Rishaw wrote:
>
>>Please do not be offended by this email.
>>This is not a mass spam mailing. Your
>>email address is on an Opt-In list of domain
>>owners who are interested in increasing
>>their website traffic.
>
>
Mathias Koerber
first email about this:
---Start quote John's email---
I am so %^&*$ sick of getting email from spammers that I supposedly "opted
in" to, I'm about ready to start high-bandwidth testing to them. If they
complain, I'll just say "Please do not be offended. This is not a DoS
attack. Your network is on our Opt-In list of people who are interested in
increasing their ICMP traffic."
What a load of crap. My ass I opted in. Show me the logs, baby.
At 06:12 PM 12/12/98 -0600, James Rishaw wrote:
>Please do not be offended by this email.
>This is not a mass spam mailing. Your
>email address is on an Opt-In list of domain
>owners who are interested in increasing
>their website traffic.
-------End quote John's Mail-----
-----Original Message-----
From: John Fraizer <John.F...@EnterZone.Net>
To: Mathias Koerber <mat...@koerber.org>; ja...@ais.net <ja...@ais.net>;
na...@merit.edu <na...@merit.edu>
Date: Sunday, December 13, 1998 12:35 PM
Subject: Re: [whoisd...@hotmail.com: Re: Network Solutions Lists]
>At 10:44 AM 12/13/98 +0800, Mathias Koerber wrote:
>>Lern to quote properly, James Rishaw did *not* say what you attributed to
>>him below, in fact he complained about it.
>
>I tell you what. If you will turn on your spell checker and take a `lude
>and chill out, I'll be more careful when I quote. (Notice your spelling of
>the word "learn" above.) If you will note the email a bit more carefully,
>you will notice that I did not attribute it directly to Jamie.
>
>>At 06:12 PM 12/12/98 -0600, James Rishaw wrote:
>>
>>>Please do not be offended by this email.
>>>This is not a mass spam mailing. Your
>>>email address is on an Opt-In list of domain
>>>owners who are interested in increasing
>>>their website traffic.
>
>Do you notice the ">>"? That indicates that it has been quoted twice. I
>am quoting HIS quoting something.
>
>
>
Leo Bicknell
There's got to be a way to provide the information to people
who really need it too. My attempts to get the database information
to provide it to ISPs for troubleshooting, or to develop a new front
end that is more useful for people to use generate a "we can't give
you the database, even under NDA" from Network Solutions.
One of these days I'm gonna turn into a scumbag and just
walk it myself. *sigh* There's got to be a better way.
--
Leo Bicknell - bick...@ufp.org
Systems Engineer - Internetworking Engineer - CCIE 3440
Read TMBG List - tmbg-lis...@tmbg.org, www.tmbg.org
Roeland M.J. Meyer
>X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0
>Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 11:58:36 -0800
>Reply-To: "Roeland M.J. Meyer" <rme...@MHSC.COM>
>Sender: Owner-Domain-Policy <owner-dom...@internic.net>
>From: "Roeland M.J. Meyer" <rme...@MHSC.COM>
>Subject: Report: Whois database for sale
>X-To: "Gomes, Chuck" <cgo...@INTERNIC.NET>
>To: DOMAIN...@LISTS.INTERNIC.NET
>
>I just called this guy at
>
>>Registrant:
>>Site Promotion, LLC (TARGETEDLISTS2-DOM)
>> 3000 Millsfield
>> Dyersburg, TN 38024
>> US
>>
>> Domain Name: TARGETEDLISTS.COM
>>
>> Administrative Contact:
>> Promotion, Site (SP7502) spot...@LOA.COM
>> 901-286-6157
>>
>
>A *real* person answers the phone. I had a very good discussion with him
>and I mentioned that this call was part of the MHSC process leading to
>submitting his site to the RBL. He confirmed the web-site and its stated
>intention. I also pointed out that making whois contact information
>available to spammers was a lot like "tugging on Superman's cape", not a
>good idea as it would gain the extreme ire of every ISP on the planet, not
>to mention every other domain-name holder. I also politely reminded him
>that the whois information is for internet-related business ONLY and NOT to
>be used for advertising.
>
>In turn, he informed me that, as of this morning, he has decided to stop
>this activity. It remains to be seen if he will do so. Chuck, I strongly
>suggest that NSI follow this up with their own phone contact procedures.
>
>It is amusing that he, at first, tried to say that he didn't send the SPAM,
>but when I started to read excerpts from the text of his web-site he
>abandoned that argument line.
>
>At 11:28 AM 12/13/98 , Gomes, Chuck wrote:
>>Chuck,
>>
>>To me, this indicates a serious problem at NSI. Y'all *had* to know that
>some scum-bag was eventually going to do this. openly. I maintain that is
>has been happening surreptitiously for some time, as this isn't the first
>time someone has spammed my contact info addresses.
>>
>>What it disappointing is that NSI doesn't already have a "canned" response
>ready to go. It was definitely a forsee-able event. Is it maybe that you
>are aware of the probable response and don't like it yourself?
>
>>
>>At 05:42 AM 12/13/98 , Gomes, Chuck wrote:
>>>To date we have tried very hard to avoid becoming content managers of the
>>>Internet because we have never really been given any authorization to do
so.
>>>Also, how could it be done fairly and equitably?
>>>
>>>Because of the concern for this issue though, we are discussing how this
>>>might be done if in fact it can be done fairly and efficiently.
>>>
>>>Chuck
>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Benjamin Azevedo [SMTP:Edi...@Opiniao.com]
>>>> Sent: Sunday, December 13, 1998 8:09 AM
>>>> To: DOMAIN-POLICY
>>>> Subject: Whois database for sale
>>>>
>>>> To all and specially Chuck,
>>>>
>>>> Spam received today offering access to domain owners email addresses.
>>>> With a registered domain to receive orders: http://www.targetedlists.com
>>>>
>>>> As long as they start selling the list widely, we should expect even
>>>> more spam against domain contacts.
>>>>
>>>> Isn't this offering a reason to immediately suspend/cancel this domain?
>>>> And maybe other associated domains too, as "targetedlists.com" has been
>>>> just
>>>> registered and possibly is disposable anyway.
>>>>
>>>> Benjamin Azevedo
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 1)Spam received
>>>> Re: Network Solutions Lists
>>>> Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 08:32:26 GMT
>>>> From: wh...@finfin.com
>>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> According to our records, you have at least
>>>> one domain registered with Network Solutions,
>>>> aka The Internic.
>>>> http://rs.internic.net/cgi-bin/whois/
>>>>
>>>> Please do not be offended by this email.
>>>> This is not a mass spam mailing. Your
>>>> email address is on an Opt-In list of domain
>>>> owners who are interested in increasing
>>>> their website traffic.
>>>>
>>>> We can show you how to generate so much traffic,
>>>> that it could possibly CRASH your ISP's server!
>>>> That's right!
>>>>
>>>> We have a huge list of Internic's Domain Owners,
>>>> extracted from the Whois Database available
>>>> for download from our password protected
>>>> website right now. For more details,
>>>> visit our site . . .
>>>>
>>>> http://www.targetedlists.com/
>>>>
>>>> If you order before Dec. 31st, you will receive
>>>> "MacroBot" software for FREE!
>>>>
>>>> This is a one time mailing offer to members
>>>> of Network Solutions Whois Database of Domain
>>>> Name Owners/Opt-In List. You will not receive
>>>> any further mailings from our company.
>>>>
>>>> To request removal from this opt-in list,
>>>> send an email with "unsubscribe" in the
>>>> subject box. mailto:remov...@eastmail.com
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for your time and consideration,
>>>>
>>>> The UnderWorld
>
>>>> 1-800-607-6006 ext. 3205#
>>>>
>>>> http://www.targetedlists.com/
>>>>
>>>> 2)Info available on the annouced site
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>>>> UnderWorld!
>>>>
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>>>> AND GREAT INFORMATION FOR SITE PROMOTERS!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hold on to your hat, because this info is going to "knock your
>>>> socks
>>>> OFF!" We have an email address list of domain owners in the
>>>> Internic's Whois Database.
>>>>
>>>> The great thing about The Internic's Whois database is that
>>>> virtually
>> >>> all the email addresses are VALID. These people are Domain
>>>> Owners!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> It's a GREAT resource list for web promoters, hosting
companies,
>>>> developers, retail sales, and so forth. You won't find this
>>>> list available
>>>> anywhere on the net.
>>>>
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>>>> nazi's and
>>>> "anti-emailers" and remove requests. It started out as 655,000
>>>> addresses, now it has 487,000 super clean addresses. No edu's,
>>>> orgs,
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>>>>
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and
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>>>>
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>>>>
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>>>> 3)Whois information about the domain offering the list
>>>> Registrant: Site Promotion, LLC (TARGETEDLISTS2-DOM)
>>>> 3000 Millsfield
>>>> Dyersburg, TN 38024
>>>> US
>>>>
>>>> Domain Name: TARGETEDLISTS.COM
>>>>
>>>> Administrative Contact:
>>>> Promotion, Site (SP7502) spot...@LOA.COM
>>>> 901-286-6157
>>>> Technical Contact, Zone Contact:
>>>> VDirect Domain Services (VD143-ORG) dnsa...@VDIRECT.COM
>>>> 716-262-2351
>> >>> Fax- 716-262-3766
>>>> Billing Contact:
>>>> Promotion, Site (SP7502) spot...@LOA.COM
>>>> 901-286-6157
>>>>
>>>> Record last updated on 02-Dec-98.
>>>> Record created on 02-Dec-98.
>>>> Database last updated on 13-Dec-98 02:53:46 EST.
>>>>
>>>> Domain servers in listed order:
>>>>
>>>> DNS1.VDIRECT.COM 208.157.147.98
>>>> DNS2.VDIRECT.COM 208.157.147.99
>>>
>>>
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Who is John Galt?
- "Atlas Shrugged" - Ayn Rand
Austin Schutz
>>>>To date we have tried very hard to avoid becoming content managers of the
>>>>Internet because we have never really been given any authorization to do
>so.
>>>>Also, how could it be done fairly and equitably?
>>>>
>>>>Because of the concern for this issue though, we are discussing how this
>>>>might be done if in fact it can be done fairly and efficiently.
>>>>
via rwhois? On the one hand it might be less manageable overall, on the
other it would allow ISPs to have greater control over how their contacts
are polled.
It would be near trivial to implement if there was interest.
Austin