Ignorant mass-media strikes again
Vadim Antonov
> Don't let your ISP cut you off
> How to fight back when your ISP keeps kicking you off.
> by Carla Thorton
> (IDG) -- PROBLEM: Your Internet service provider kicks you offline when
> you're in the middle of important work.
>
> SOLUTION: Install an anti-timer utility, reconfigure your e-mail package,
> or choose a regional ISP.
I bet Ms. Thorton never heard that TCP can preserve idle connections
when dial-up link is down. Yeah, dial-on-demand is such a hard thing
to do!
Am i paranoid, or is mass-media hell-bent on propaganda of antisocial
behavior in the Internet?
Or are they just really clueless?
--vadim
Tony Li
> Am i paranoid, or is mass-media hell-bent on propaganda of antisocial
> behavior in the Internet?
>
> Or are they just really clueless?
They found out a long time ago that controversy and sensationalism sells
papers. This predates the Internet or its founders.
Tony
Michael P. Lyle
> when dial-up link is down. Yeah, dial-on-demand is such a hard thing
> to do!
Well, yes. But if you're on a dynamic IP, good luck at getting the
answers to your packets when you call up and are assigned a new IP.
Having your connection time out CAN be a pain.
Mike
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Michael P. Lyle
Security Architect
Exodus Communications, Inc.
Rubens Kuhl Jr.
> ip back to the same user? Ie, puts the ip address in a fifo but pulls it
> out early if it's the same user calling back.
(Lucent)Livingston Portmasters and other ComOS-based devices such as old USR
Total Controls.
Rubens Kuhl Jr.
Kevin Oberman
is always made for the same address. If that address is available, it
is assigned. Assuming the address space assigned to DHCP is
reasonable, you address should never change after a brief
disconnection.
R. Kevin Oberman, Network Engineer
Energy Sciences Network (ESnet)
Ernest O. Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory (Berkeley Lab)
E-mail: obe...@es.net Phone: +1 510 486-8634
Frank Kastenholz
>>From http://www.cnn.com/TECH/computing/9812/09/isp.idg/ :
>
>> Don't let your ISP cut you off
>> How to fight back when your ISP keeps kicking you off.
>
>> by Carla Thorton
>
>> (IDG) -- PROBLEM: Your Internet service provider kicks you offline when
>> you're in the middle of important work.
>>
>> SOLUTION: Install an anti-timer utility, reconfigure your e-mail package,
>> or choose a regional ISP.
>
>when dial-up link is down. Yeah, dial-on-demand is such a hard thing
>to do!
>
>behavior in the Internet?
>
>Or are they just really clueless?
They may be clueless.
They may be hell-bent on antisocial propaganda.
But the fact of the matter is that some ISPs do actively
kick people off (not just ppp idly dropping the line)
when they are not doing stuff. Furthermore, AOL, which
is sometimes considered an ISP (let's not get into
that debate), kicks people off if they are idle
for too long and _that_ causes all kinds of trouble
because the AOL application throws fits if it can't
get to the AOL servers.
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Date: Wed, 09 Dec 1998 13:59:37 -0800
From: Vadim Antonov <a...@alink.net>
To: na...@merit.edu
> I bet Ms. Thorton never heard that TCP can preserve idle connections
> when dial-up link is down. Yeah, dial-on-demand is such a hard thing
> to do!
matt sommer
Jay R. Ashworth
> a...@alink.net (Vadim Antonov) writes:
> > Am i paranoid, or is mass-media hell-bent on propaganda of antisocial
> > behavior in the Internet?
> >
> > Or are they just really clueless?
>
> papers. This predates the Internet or its founders.
Never ascribe to malice that which can be adequately explained by
stupidity. -- Lazarus Long, among others.
They're just _really_ clueless. They don't understand "the _right_
answer"... if the answer works, they'll promote it.
Kind of like the UDP meltdowns when I-phones first hit.
Cheers,
-- jra
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Forrest W. Christian
> Is there equipment that, short of a fixed ip, tries to reassign the same
> ip back to the same user? Ie, puts the ip address in a fifo but pulls it
> out early if it's the same user calling back.
I was working on some radius code to do this. Bascically allocate
everything out of a big ip pool and keep track of which user each IP was
assigned to last, and if when they re-connected, the IP was still
available, re-assign it to them.
However, I quit working on it when I discovered the following...
> > > I bet Ms. Thorton never heard that TCP can preserve idle connections
> > > when dial-up link is down. Yeah, dial-on-demand is such a hard thing
> > > to do!
This is great and wonderful, EXCEPT the microsoft stack WILL NOT keep a
connection open across multiple "dialin sessions". This effectively
breaks any desire to be semi-statically allocated.
Microsoft's crappy stack strikes again....
- Forrest W. Christian (forr...@imach.com)
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Charles Sprickman
> Is there equipment that, short of a fixed ip, tries to reassign the same
> ip back to the same user? Ie, puts the ip address in a fifo but pulls it
> out early if it's the same user calling back.
When we started out years ago, every user got a static IP. That's since
changed, but I've always thought a decent NAT between the dialup equipment
and the net would be nice. The user would always get the same address
back and could resume their session... I actually did the inverse at home
for some time with IPFilter's NAT. I could have a bunch of term sessions
on various boxes and resume all of them when the router/pc dialed back in
after being dropped. I did have a static IP, but only one for about 5
machines...
Charles