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Jim Grossmann

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Jan 17, 1998, 3:00:00 AM1/17/98
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Got you any troubles with the grammar of Palo , because
I don't think you borrowed it somewhere .

JG: Actually, from-scratch languages like Palo have gotten easier for me
than Goesk because they require less research and less soul-searching about
what looks natural. Goesk will probably be my last
natural-looking conlang.


Can I read anything longer in your Goesk ?

JG: I'd like to wait until the latest revision of the grammar is done.

Could you understand bits of my conlang as I could with your Goesk ?

JG: Yes, I can! I'm beginning to see the appeal of auxlangs. :-)

Keep conlanging,


Jim


M Sheffield

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Jan 17, 1998, 3:00:00 AM1/17/98
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Dag, hoor !

Why have you called iy "yuro - pidgin"?

Why not "euro - " visually recognizable, more European, less English, and
still pronounceable?

Martin,
Grenoble, France.
------------------ http://perso.wanadoo.fr/scots.in.france


M & R Sheff

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Jan 22, 1998, 3:00:00 AM1/22/98
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>>
>>Why have you called iy "yuro - pidgin"?
(...)
>It's based on a pidginized English and so it's not strange that it
>sounds like it .

Exactly. So why call it yuro- which implies a common European base or usage?

M & R Sheff

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Jan 24, 1998, 3:00:00 AM1/24/98
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Fuscian wrote:

>the only ones who didn't speak English VERY WELL were the French
>(could you have ever guessed...)

OK, I guess my living in France has somewhat jaundiced my opinion of
language learning. Standards here are catastrophic !

Most of my work is in oral examining for English, and I find the only
students that manage to express themselves correctly are those that have
spent some months in USA.
And, of course, the VERY rare oddities, who, like ourselves, are actually
interested in language per se.

Quetz

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Jan 25, 1998, 3:00:00 AM1/25/98
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M & R Sheff wrote:
>
> Fuscian wrote:
>
> >the only ones who didn't speak English VERY WELL were the French
> >(could you have ever guessed...)
>
> OK, I guess my living in France has somewhat jaundiced my opinion of
> language learning. Standards here are catastrophic !

It's the same over here in Japan. I'm in Tokyo, at a decent high
school, and for the most part they can't say a damn thing. They can
read, because they need that for university entrance exams, but try to
ask a question (God forbid, a question NOT from the textbook) and their
minds shut off. They've been studying 5 years and can't answer "What
did you do during the holidays?" Everyone somehow manages to pass...

> Most of my work is in oral examining for English, and I find the only
> students that manage to express themselves correctly are those that have
> spent some months in USA.
> And, of course, the VERY rare oddities, who, like ourselves, are actually
> interested in language per se.

Amen! Over here, even the ones who lived in the States for a few years
won't speak to me. They're afraid of embarassing themselves or their
peers by speaking better. I have about 10 (out of 250) students who
will initiate a conversation with me in English. A couple of those have
done homestays in Australia, the UK, or the USA; one lived in the States
for 2 years. A few other students will understand my English, but
respond in Japanese. The rest just use Japanese.

--
"Wow! This is just like the stuff you'd see
in an Asian grocery store in the States!" Peter Garza
"Duh, Peter, you're in Japan." qu...@crisscross.com
- talking to myself in the Summit grocery store


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