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Meeting Purpose Troubleshoot broken link detection on interlisp.org. Key Takeaways - Problem: curl link-checking fails on ~33% of bibliography links, generating false positives. - Cause: Websites use JavaScript challenges (e.g., Anubi) to block non-browser traffic, including simple curl requests. - Solution Path: Use a browser automation tool (e.g., Selenium) for offline checks, or validate the hypothesis that receiving a challenge implies a live site. Topics Link Checker Failure - A curl script to check interlisp.org links failed on ~33% of bibliography links. - Cause: Websites block automated traffic to counter threats like ad fraud and DDoS attacks. - Mechanism: They issue JavaScript challenges (e.g., Anubi) that require a browser to execute a cryptographic proof-of-work. - curl Limitation: As a command-line tool, it cannot execute JavaScript and thus fails these challenges. Proposed Solutions - 1. Browser Automation: Use a tool like Selenium to automate a real browser, which can execute JavaScript. - Rationale: This would mimic human traffic and bypass the challenges. - Implementation: Run as an offline job (e.g., weekly) in a Docker container, not as part of the build process. - 2. Validate Challenge-as-Proof Hypothesis: - Hypothesis: Receiving a JavaScript challenge response from a URL is sufficient proof that the site is live. - Validation Test: Send a curl request to a known-bad URL on a challenge-protected site to see if it still triggers a challenge. - Significance: A positive result would simplify the check to a simple header inspection, avoiding the complexity of browser automation. Next Steps - Bill Stumbo: Test the "challenge-as-proof" hypothesis by requesting a known-bad URL on a challenge-protected site. - Team: If the hypothesis fails, research browser automation tools (e.g., Selenium) for an offline link-checking job.
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Troubleshoot broken link detection on interlisp.org.

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Link Checker Failure

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