A new Common Lisp exploratory programming environment

[Paolo Amoroso]

The Mastodon user dziban just published the essay Explorative Programming in which he explains why exploratory programming in Lisp is the process that best matches his development style, identifies the major sources of rigidity of traditional file based environments and languages, and outlines a new system he's writing in Common Lisp to address these issues.

What's interesting is his system has similarities with the residential environment and the File Manager of Medley. I told him about Medley, which he wasn't aware of.

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[Paolo Amoroso]

I recommended some Interlisp papers to dziban and he's amazed at how the Medley environment matches what he wants to do.

[Arun Welch]

I don’t know if there’s anything in the archives related to Project Aria. Aria was work being done at Envos to bring Interlisp-style programming to a CL environment based on Franz CL as the language implementation, Emacs as the programming interface, and Andrew and CLIM as the presentation layer. It was a completely independent team from those working on Medley, so not likely to find anything in the Venue collection. It was being funded by Fuji Xerox and a couple other entities, if memory serves, so it stayed alive for about 6 months after Envos closed and they declared victory at beta 2. It was a pretty ambitious project but TBH the underlying systems (CLOS & CLIM in particular) just weren’t ready yet. Probably would have been more successful about 3 years later. I’ve got some of the tapes but no way to read a QIC anymore.

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[Michele Denber]

On 3/27/2024 11:38 AM, Arun Welch wrote:
> I don’t know if there’s anything in the archives related to Project Aria. Aria was work being done at Envos to bring Interlisp-style programming to a CL environment based on Franz CL as the language implementation, Emacs as the programming interface, and Andrew and CLIM as the presentation layer. It was a completely independent team from those working on Medley, so not likely to find anything in the Venue collection. It was being funded by Fuji Xerox and a couple other entities, if memory serves, so it stayed alive for about 6 months after Envos closed and they declared victory at beta 2. It was a pretty ambitious project but TBH the underlying systems (CLOS & CLIM in particular) just weren’t ready yet. Probably would have been more successful about 3 years later. I’ve got some of the tapes but no way to read a QIC anymore.

I have a QIC drive that can read QIC-150 tapes.  Used it to read my old
backups from Xerox.  Sadly not all of those old tapes are still readable
at all anymore.

            - Michele

[Paolo Amoroso]

Dziban is checking out Medley and asked a few interesting questions I gave a shot at answering.

[Ron Kaplan]

On the connecting Sedit to Dinfo, it would not be unreasonable to arm a command key in Sedit to do the effect of Larry’s mutate solution.  Easy enough (for us) to set up.  Meta-d is currently unused.

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[Paolo Amoroso]

On Thu, Mar 28, 2024 at 4:27 PM Ron Kaplan <ron.k...@post.harvard.edu> wrote:

On the connecting Sedit to Dinfo, it would not be unreasonable to arm a command key in Sedit to do the effect of Larry’s mutate solution.  Easy enough (for us) to set up.  Meta-d is currently unused.

That would be great, I filed a feature request.