Cabinet Vision Reports

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HiI`m doing a demo of cabinet vision SE their entry level product. Looks like I`ll be purchasing

the standard version. I`m wondering if you use that version if I could get a screenshot of the

reports. Solid Essentials is very light on the reports offered. Can`t seem to get that info from

them.

I have my construction details all set up but find it hard to deal with drawer fronts. I was surprised

to see CV considers a drawer front a door. I used lipped and inset drawer fronts on my cabinets. Cannot find

the location in the program where the overlay can be set to control overlay drawer fronts. It

looks like you can change the overlay in the assembly editor but I`d hate to have to change every

drawer front on every cabinet I place in a job. I do see that drawer specs have setting but I didnt

see any to control the overlay.Regards Barry12/5/16 #2: Cabinet Vision Standard Reports and ...

JoeW Member

In Cabinet Vision, the overlays are controlled differently, depending on the construction method you use.With Face Frame it is controlled by the hinge.

With Frame overlay it is controlled in the construction method.

with frame less and 32mm I'm not sure. I rarely use them.As far as reports, with each level you advance the number of reports your allowed to use increases. I can't remember how many that are available in standard. But I found I had enough when I started in standard. When you reach Ultimate you are not limited.Cabinet Vision handles "lipped and inset drawer fronts" very well. The inset is handled in the hinge settings.12/5/16 #3: Cabinet Vision Standard Reports and ...

Barry

Hi

Thanks a lot Joe. You have faster tech support than cabinet vision. Much appreciated.Regards Barry12/5/16 #4: Cabinet Vision Standard Reports and ...

JoeW Member

Your welcome Barry,Just keep in mind that purchasing support is well worth the investment. With it, you have access to the users forum provided by Cabinet Vision. There are a lot of very knowledge people on there that will always help.Plus a several years of tutorials are available too..12/5/16 #5: Cabinet Vision Standard Reports and ...

Jared

With frameless cabinets, overlays are controlled by the reveals you specify in your frameless construction standard.To answer your original question, here's a door list showing overall sizes, and another report for the stile & rail cut list. They're stock reports that ship with Solid Ultimate.

Click the link below to download the file included with this post.

Door_report.pdf

Click the link below to download the file included with this post.

Stile___rail_cut_list.pdf

12/6/16 #6: Cabinet Vision Standard Reports and ...

Barry Golash

Hi JaredThanks for taking the time to reply.

Barry12/6/16 #7: Cabinet Vision Standard Reports and ...

Barry Golash

Direct from CV support. The setup of drawer frontsTo control the overlay go to the Material manager. Go to Hinges and select any hinge. Right click the hinge an go to properties or simply double left click it. Next click on the Hinge +. Here the Overlay controls are set. You will need to set these per hinge.You set the material for the drawer fronts in the material schedule that you are using for the job. So outside the job at the Splash screen select material schedule then hit the drop down and select doors. Then beneath that is the schedule name. Hit this drop down and find the material schedule for that door. You can also create a new schedule here. If you do create a new schedule you will need to go to the door catalog and select the door you are using, then go to materials and check the new material you created.

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Okay, so here's what's going on with estimating and Cabinet Vision. Craftsman Engineering just came out with a couple of new packages for Cabinet Vision that'll likely change the way you use Cabinet Vision for estimating. And I mean that in the best way possible.

I can hear most of you saying to yourself, "Don't kid yourself, Bruce. I don't use Cabinet Vision for estimating. We use a spreadsheet because...". And that sentence usually ends with "because that's the way we've always estimated". And then that's sometimes followed by, "I wish I know how to use the Bid Center in Cabinet Vision".

And I also wrote this for the guy in the shop who has to listen to the boss grumble endlessly about how estimating is just a big thorn in his side. Get ready for a raise from the boss because you, my friend, can tell your boss that you read about how Craftsman Engineering is making it real easy to estimate cabinet jobs using Cabinet Vision without having to draw any walls or layout rooms or spend hours drawing up jobs.

Just to break it all down, the Cost-Plus Bid Center is a package for Cabinet Vision that essentially loads up the Bid Center in Cabinet Vision with a bunch of rate tables. And the rate tables are pre-built so you don't have to figure out how to make your own rate tables. It's called the Cost-Plus Bid Center because it uses a cost-plus approach to product costing. That's perfect for what we do in the cabinet business.

And then there's the Estimator's Toolbox. The Estimator's Toolbox is that name I've given to an object catalog. It comes included with the Cost-Plus Bid Center in addition to some other reports and things.

The thing that makes this catalog special, in my humble opinion, is that...well a couple of things. First, is that it includes all kinds of cabinet types that aren't otherwise found in "Custom Cabinets" for example. OK, I'll give you one....there's no base microwave cabinets in Custom Cabinets. But the Estimator's Toolbox has three of 'em. Speaking of bases, there's probably a hundred different variations of bases in the Estimator's Toolbox. I've never bothered to count 'em all up.

Back to the Cost-Plus Bid Center for a sec. I mentioned some reports and other things. I've also included some reports that are handy for Q/C'ing your bidding and to send out with the job later when you're ready to ship the job. I call these the "Send Loose Reports".

The "other things" are some Pseudo Material Schedules. These material schedules are handy to use for those clients who haven't made up their minds yet about which materials they want. I think that's about 90% of all customers! Think of Pseudo Material Schedules as Good, Better and Best options for estimating. You'll have to decide in your own shop how you want to set pricing for these "pseudo materials". For example you might want to include paint grade materials in the Good category and exotic hardwoods in the Best category but that's all up to you. It just makes it easy to switch between pricing options.

All of us in the cabinet industry have struggled with bids and estimates at one time or another in our careers. How do we provide consistent and competitive bids of our products without underbidding or overbidding and without spending hours tinkering with a spreadsheet?

I'm gonna get a lot of push-back about this blog topic but here-goes anyhow. This blog post discusses how I use Cabinet Vision for bidding and estimating commercial and residential cabinet projects. The kicker is that I don't spend a lot of time trying to figure in the cost of labor as it relates to producing bids and estimates using Cabinet Vision.

That's certainly what they taught us in Accounting 101 so that must be the "right way", right? If you think anything like I do, you've probably asked yourself, "How do I translate everything I learned in Accounting and apply that in Cabinet Vision?" And it's usually right about at that point that I used to shrink away from Bidding and Estimating in Cabinet Vision because I realized I didn't know how to apply basic accounting principles to the work that I did in cabinets. So I threw up my hands and put off trying to figure out Bidding and Estimating...again.

At some point, we've all been bogged down with trying to figure out ways to tally materials and labor and blah-biddy-blah. We've heard many methods passed down from shop owner to apprentice/young cabinetmaker like, "You gotta take the Cost of Materials, triple it and then add 10%. Then you take 5% as a down payment and then...". Good grief! And then he told me about walking to and from school in the snow....barefoot....uphill both ways!

Let's pause to regroup for a moment and ask ourselves "what are we trying to accomplish?" We want to use the Bidding and Estimating features in Cabinet Vision so we don't have to manually estimate every job using a spreadsheet and we don't want to manually re-estimate the project every time changes get applied to the job.

If you're using a spreadsheet system now, you're likely using some sort of linear foot pricing model as the base line of your bidding system. In the linear foot pricing model's simplest form, a total is derived by multiplying the length of a run of cabinets - in feet - by some number, X. For example, a run of 96" of base cabinets ( 8 feet ) is multiplied by $500 which gives us our example's total of $4,000. But, by the same token, you don't need a spreadsheet to use this very basic model.

And if you're using a spreadsheet, it's likely because your baseline linear foot price is much lower than $500 and you have lots of conditions, adjustments and add-ons to tack onto each cabinet. The style of doors...the species of wood...the finish of the cabinets...the number of drawers...the materials of the components...the type of hardware...and many other variables affect the price of cabinets.

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