Re: [OT] New Anti-Terrorism Law makes "hacking" punishable by life in prison
jmerkey
LKML,
Several News Agencies have contacted me about the atached email as the
result of Simon Best and others
distributing it around the internet and to news agencies in Utah. For
the record, James Mooney had access as
well as did his associates to the timpanogas offices in 2001 during this
time period and these comments apparently were
posted by one of them using my linux desktop system since the Utah NAC
also operated out of the TRG
officesa at that time.
During TRG's operations, several people used my email account to post
bugs to the list. I did not
write this particular email or post it, and I do not know who did. I do
not want it removed nor I am
asking for it to be removed from LKML or the archives. I am clarifying
that I did not write or author this content.
Please attach this email to the parent thread from 2001 for the
permanent record. I have and had no objection
to TRG employees using my master account to post bugs or development
questions to LKML, but I did not
author the content of this email.
Sincerely,
Jeff V. Merkey
Date Mon, 24 Sep 2001 18:29:39 -0700
From "Jeff V. Merkey" <>
Subject Re: [OT] New Anti-Terrorism Law makes "hacking" punishable by
life in prison
On Mon, Sep 24, 2001 at 08:37:11PM -0300, Rik van Riel wrote:
When people are crashing planes into buildings and killing people
by the thousands, hacking laws should be tough. The US has shut off
internet access from Cyprus and several other places, and I've
noticed a fall-off of hacking on my servers -- GOOD!.
Maureen O'Gara at Client Server News is based in NY, and from what she
describes, the entire city is in a terrible state. Let anyone in New
York know who is our friend on this list that the Utah Native American
Church has sent James Mooney to New York City to conduct ceremonies for
the victims and their families. The mayor's office has given us
permission to conduct our ceremonies there for these people without
fear of police harassment.
I am sending him enough peyote to trip out half the city. Anyone in NY
who needs to find healing who is a member of our linux "Family" is
welcome at these ceremonies. These people involved in this terrifying
ordeal need to sit in a tepee and go somewhere else for a couple of days
with the sacred medicine.
New York folks who wish to be involved in these ceremonies can call
212-755-0968 or 212-929-9396 to find out where and when. We have so far
hosted thousands of the victims in these ceremonies. All are welcome and
their families. The laws in New York allow non-Indians to use peyote
for religious purposes of any race, unlike Utah. Tell our brothers we
open our doors to those in need of spiritual and emotional healing for
the people of New York.
These ceremonies are **FREE**. The Utah NAC is picking up the tab.
Do-na-da Go-hv-e
Wa-do
Jeff
> On Mon, 24 Sep 2001, Paul G. Allen wrote:
>
> > If this passes, everyone working in computer security can be
> > arrested and thrown in prison for life. In addition, people such
> > as Kevin Mitnick can be thrown back in prison even though they
> > have already paid for their crime (double jeopardy?).
> >
> > http://www.securityfocus.com/news/257
>
> So, would anybody have a nice piece of real estate in the
> free world where silicon valley could be evacuated to ?
>
> (time to find volunteers to maintain thefreeworld.net ?)
>
> cheers,
>
> Rik
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Alejandro Bonilla
>
>
> LKML,
>
> Several News Agencies have contacted me about the atached email as the
> result of Simon Best and others
> distributing it around the internet and to news agencies in Utah. For
> the record, James Mooney had access as
> well as did his associates to the timpanogas offices in 2001 during
> this time period and these comments apparently were
> posted by one of them using my linux desktop system since the Utah NAC
> also operated out of the TRG
> officesa at that time.
Why are you sending this things after 4 years. This looks like sexual
pills spam. And I can't believe, "agencies" are contacting you for this
thread for the last 4 years... If they are, REALLY ask for the thread to
be removed or something like that.
Also, this email only showing your username without the Full name, looks
like if someone is trying to use your account again... ;-)
If they are really harassing you, ask for the thread to be removed. (I
dunno the policy about this)
.Alejandro
Paul Jakma
> spam. And I can't believe, "agencies" are contacting you for this
> thread for the last 4 years... If they are, REALLY ask for the
> thread to be removed or something like that.
http://lwn.net/Articles/140157/
regards,
--
Paul Jakma pa...@clubi.ie pa...@jakma.org Key ID: 64A2FF6A
Fortune:
There is a natural hootchy-kootchy to a goldfish.
-- Walt Disney
Alejandro Bonilla
> On Fri, 1 Jul 2005, Alejandro Bonilla wrote:
>
>> spam. And I can't believe, "agencies" are contacting you for this
>> thread for the last 4 years... If they are, REALLY ask for the thread
>> to be removed or something like that.
>
>
> http://lwn.net/Articles/140157/
Nice URL. It made my night. Is funny.
It definitely looks like someone needs a clean start. Leave the pride
back and start all over. After all, if one stops or starts to help in
Linux, nobody cares.
Jeff,
I'm not aware of your "issues" or "rights", but it really looks like
you should drop whatever you have in hands. It's not worth to battle.
.....
The topic of this email is missleading, the "hacking" done in the
Linux Kernel, is not the "hacking" that is punishable with prison.
I hope this topic drops. Sorry for mentioning about it. I had no
idea on what this was about cause I have only been reading LKML for a year.
.Alejandro
jmerkey
OK. I ask for this thread and associated posts to be removed, is this
is allowed. The Provo Daily Herald and KSL Channel 5
news asked me questions about it. I did not author it.
Jeff
randy_dunlap
|
|
| OK. I ask for this thread and associated posts to be removed, is this
| is allowed. The Provo Daily Herald and KSL Channel 5
| news asked me questions about it. I did not author it.
|
| Jeff
Removed from where? kernel.org doesn't maintain email archives.
Each archive site would have to be contacted for removal.
E.g., see
http://vger.kernel.org/vger-lists.html#linux-kernel
~Randy
Jesper Juhl
>
[...]
>
> Please attach this email to the parent thread from 2001 for the
> permanent record.
And how exactely do you propose for someone to do that for you? The
only way to "attach this email to the parent thread from 2001" would
be for you to dig up the old thread from your personal mailbox
archives and then post a reply to a message in the original thread.
--
Jesper Juhl <jespe...@gmail.com>
Don't top-post http://www.catb.org/~esr/jargon/html/T/top-post.html
Plain text mails only, please http://www.expita.com/nomime.html
Jesper Juhl
> is allowed. The Provo Daily Herald and KSL Channel 5
> news asked me questions about it. I did not author it.
>
I'd say that that request is damn near impossible. First of all, as
Randy has already pointet out kernel.org does not maintain email
archives, secondly, the thread will be archived on a number of
different sites outside kernel.org's control - there are *many* lkml
archives on the 'net. In addition to LKML archives you'd also have to
contact news sites that may have written articles on the thread and
copied the message(s) in part or in full, and then there is any number
of search engines that may have cached the thread and sites like The
Wayback Machine that may have cached the lkml archives or the news
sites etc etc etc... And finally you have a huge number of unknown
people who may have kept personal LKML archives on their private
machines going back several years - there's no way to identify those
people and certainly no way to get them to remove a specific thread
from their personal archives.
Once a message is posted to a public mailing list (especially one as
widely archived & commented on as LKML) it is practically impossible
to get rid of - there's always going to be someone somewhere that has
a copy.
--
Jesper Juhl <jespe...@gmail.com>
Don't top-post http://www.catb.org/~esr/jargon/html/T/top-post.html
Plain text mails only, please http://www.expita.com/nomime.html
Kurt Wall
>
>
> LKML,
>
> Several News Agencies have contacted me about the atached email as the
> result of Simon Best and others
> distributing it around the internet and to news agencies in Utah. For
> the record, James Mooney had access as
> well as did his associates to the timpanogas offices in 2001 during this
> time period and these comments apparently were
> posted by one of them using my linux desktop system since the Utah NAC
> also operated out of the TRG
> officesa at that time.
Hey, Merkey, you're a mentally unbalanced, lying, thieving crackpot.
Whatever you're taking, please take less or more. If you're not taking
anything, please take something.
Does this mean you'll sue me for libel, too? I'm eager to join that
exclusive club.
Kurt
--
TV is chewing gum for the eyes.
-- Frank Lloyd Wright
jmerkey
It's in the archives now, so the purpose is served. The sociopaths using
the parent thread have just lost their toy.
J
Jesper Juhl wrote:
>On 7/2/05, jmerkey <jme...@utah-nac.org> wrote:
>
>
>>OK. I ask for this thread and associated posts to be removed, is this
>>is allowed. The Provo Daily Herald and KSL Channel 5
>>news asked me questions about it. I did not author it.
>>
>>
>>
>[...]
>
>I'd say that that request is damn near impossible. First of all, as
>Randy has already pointet out kernel.org does not maintain email
>archives, secondly, the thread will be archived on a number of
>different sites outside kernel.org's control - there are *many* lkml
>archives on the 'net. In addition to LKML archives you'd also have to
>contact news sites that may have written articles on the thread and
>copied the message(s) in part or in full, and then there is any number
>of search engines that may have cached the thread and sites like The
>Wayback Machine that may have cached the lkml archives or the news
>sites etc etc etc... And finally you have a huge number of unknown
>people who may have kept personal LKML archives on their private
>machines going back several years - there's no way to identify those
>people and certainly no way to get them to remove a specific thread
>from their personal archives.
>Once a message is posted to a public mailing list (especially one as
>widely archived & commented on as LKML) it is practically impossible
>to get rid of - there's always going to be someone somewhere that has
>a copy.
>
>
>
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