ia64 and i386
J.Hwan.Kim
If the CPU core is i5, what package should be installed ia64 or i386?
My old PC (Pentium-D core) is using i386 package.
Thanks in advance.
Best Regards,
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Burhan Hanoglu
> Hi, everyone
>
> If the CPU core is i5, what package should be installed ia64 or i386?
> My old PC (Pentium-D core) is using i386 package.
>
Hi,
ia64 is not the correct architecture for i5.
You can install i386. But if you want to take advantage of 64 bit,
then you should install amd64 or x86_64.
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Axel Freyn
On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 12:18:01AM +0900, J.Hwan.Kim wrote:
> Hi, everyone
>
> If the CPU core is i5, what package should be installed ia64 or i386?
i386 is the 32-bit version -- you can use it, but it won't use all
features of your system (e.g: no single program can use more than 4GB of
ram (real ram and swap together)).
i64 is the "original" Intel 64-bit version -- which is used only in
Itanium and Itanium II - processors. This version will NOT work at all.
amd64 is the 64-bit technique developped by AMD, which is now also used
by Intel in all processors except Itanium.
So, your i5 is an amd64-architecture :-)
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Tom Grace
> If the CPU core is i5, what package should be installed ia64 or i386?
you want to use the system for, i386 may suit you better than amd64.
ia64 is a different thing and won't work on the i5.
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Mathieu Malaterre
> On 05/24/2011 08:48 PM, J.Hwan.Kim wrote:
>>
>> Hi, everyone
>>
>> If the CPU core is i5, what package should be installed ia64 or i386?
>> My old PC (Pentium-D core) is using i386 package.
>>
>> Thanks in advance.
>>
>> Best Regards,
>> J.Hwan Kim
>>
>>
> 32bit computing. ia64 is for the Intel Itanium range of processors.
Actually I never understood why people would want to install i386 when
amd64 is possible. Since from amd64 you can still run x86 code ... but
not the other way around. Is there a drawback when installing an amd64
kernel ?
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Camaleón
> If the CPU core is i5, what package should be installed ia64 or i386?
I'm afraid you can't install ia64 >:-)
It's amd64 or i386, choose your poison (BTW, I would go for amd64).
> My old PC (Pentium-D core) is using i386 package.
Generally speaking, Pentium D can also run both, 64-bits or 32-bits OSes.
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Mihira Fernando
>
> If the CPU core is i5, what package should be installed ia64 or i386?
> My old PC (Pentium-D core) is using i386 package.
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> Best Regards,
> J.Hwan Kim
>
>
32bit computing. ia64 is for the Intel Itanium range of processors.
Mihira.
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If the CPU core is i5, what package should be installed ia64 or i386?
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> On 24/05/11 16:18, J.Hwan.Kim wrote:
>
>> If the CPU core is i5, what package should be installed ia64 or i386?
>>
> You should be able to choose between amd64 and i386. Depending on what
> you want to use the system for, i386 may suit you better than amd64.
> ia64 is a different thing and won't work on the i5.
>
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Mihira Fernando
>
> (...)
>
>> Actually I never understood why people would want to install i386 when
>> amd64 is possible. Since from amd64 you can still run x86 code ... but
>> not the other way around. Is there a drawback when installing an amd64
>> kernel ?
>
> There are no Thunderbird binaries for the released version packaged for
> 64 bits OSes and some people (e.g., me) do not like messing/bloating
> their systems with 32-bits compat libraries.
>
> And Thunderbird is the first package it came up to my mind without
> struggling my brain, there still has to be many others...
>
> Greetings,
>
Adobe flashplayer comes to mind as well. While there is a 64 bit player,
I've found that the 32bit one plays without any hiccups that the 64bit
one seems to have (No need to have flash is evil debates here. Some of
us wants to watch youtube and other flash sites).
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(...)
> Actually I never understood why people would want to install i386 when
> amd64 is possible. Since from amd64 you can still run x86 code ... but
> not the other way around. Is there a drawback when installing an amd64
> kernel ?
Ha! :-)
There are no Thunderbird binaries for the released version packaged for
64 bits OSes and some people (e.g., me) do not like messing/bloating
their systems with 32-bits compat libraries.
And Thunderbird is the first package it came up to my mind without
struggling my brain, there still has to be many others...
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Camaleón
>> On Tue, 24 May 2011 17:26:36 +0200, Mathieu Malaterre wrote:
>>
>> (...)
>>
>>> Actually I never understood why people would want to install i386 when
>>> amd64 is possible. Since from amd64 you can still run x86 code ... but
>>> not the other way around. Is there a drawback when installing an amd64
>>> kernel ?
>> Ha! :-)
>>
>> There are no Thunderbird binaries for the released version packaged for
>> 64 bits OSes and some people (e.g., me) do not like messing/bloating
>> their systems with 32-bits compat libraries.
>>
>> And Thunderbird is the first package it came up to my mind without
>> struggling my brain, there still has to be many others...
>>
>> Greetings,
>>
> Adobe flashplayer comes to mind as well. While there is a 64 bit player,
> I've found that the 32bit one plays without any hiccups that the 64bit
> one seems to have (No need to have flash is evil debates here. Some of
> us wants to watch youtube and other flash sites).
The 64-bits version is still labeled as "beta" but to be sincere, almost
all of the Adobe software could be tagged that way. This can sound a bit
rude but heck, with all the people and resources they have their software
should be 99.999999∞% "bug-free" >:-)
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Axel Freyn
On Tue, May 24, 2011 at 11:39:04AM -0400, Miles Fidelman wrote:
> Tom Grace wrote:
> > On 24/05/11 16:18, J.Hwan.Kim wrote:
> >
> >> If the CPU core is i5, what package should be installed ia64 or i386?
> >>
> > You should be able to choose between amd64 and i386. Depending on what
> > you want to use the system for, i386 may suit you better than amd64.
> > ia64 is a different thing and won't work on the i5.
> >
> while we're at it.. is amd64 also the right version for a Xeon 3440?
In fact, I'm always using ark.intel.com for such types of questions. The
xeon 3440 is described here:
http://ark.intel.com/Product.aspx?id=42928&processor=X3440&spec-codes=SLBLF
so it's a 64bit processor with "instruction set: 64bit" ==> amd64
the itaniums on the other hand have "Instruction set: Itanium 64bit" ==> ia64
Of course, you also can use 32bit only -- or 32bit with a bigmem-Kernel.
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thuillier-charmet
"J.Hwan.Kim" <j.hwan...@gmail.com> a écrit :
> Hi, everyone
>
> If the CPU core is i5, what package should be installed ia64 or i386?
> My old PC (Pentium-D core) is using i386 package.
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> Best Regards
> J.Hwan Kim
>
>
helllo,
how do you KNPOW THAT IT'S i5 ???
with the capacity of lscpu i obtain :
Architecture: i686
CPU op-mode(s): 32-bit
CPU(s): 2
Thread(s) par coeur : 2
Coeur(s) par support CPU :1
Support(s) CPU : 1
ID du vendeur : GenuineIntel
Famille CPU : 6
Mod?le : 28
Version : 2
CPU MHz : 1000.000
L1d cache : 24K
L1i cache : 32K
L2 cache : 512K
it'means that it's i5 ???
during install debian 6 there are a live686 and live which one i should
use ???
thansk.
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Jeroen van Aart
> amd64 is possible. Since from amd64 you can still run x86 code ... but
> not the other way around. Is there a drawback when installing an amd64
> kernel ?
32 bits is likely to play more video codecs than 64 bits, by virtue of
the w64codecs package lacking a bit. And to the best of my knowledge
just because you can run 32 bits binaries on a 64 bits kernel doesn't
mean w32codecs will actually work. I keep an older 32 bits system around
just because of that.
http://debian-multimedia.org/dists/stable/non-free/binary-amd64/package/w64codecs.php
http://debian-multimedia.org/dists/stable/non-free/binary-i386/package/w32codecs.php
Of course this isn't debian's fault, but the fault those companies which
create closed and proprietary software.
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Burhan Hanoglu
Hi,
Try;
$ cat /proc/cpuinfo
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> should be 99.999999∞% "bug-free">:-)
>
> Greetings,
>
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Camaleón
>> with all the people and resources they have their software should be
>> 99.999999∞% "bug-free">:-)
>>
>> Greetings,
>>
> then, following that logic, windows should be a perfect OS ... :P
Well, although I don't like to give gratuitous credit to MS, Windows is
an OS while Adobe Flash Player is just a binary file that occupies ~8 MiB
in my disk... speaking fairly, they're not comparable >>>:-)
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Arno Schuring
> Mathieu Malaterre wrote:
> > amd64 is possible. Since from amd64 you can still run x86 code ...
> > but not the other way around. Is there a drawback when installing
> > an amd64 kernel ?
>
> 32 bits is likely to play more video codecs than 64 bits, by virtue
> of the w64codecs package lacking a bit. And to the best of my
> knowledge just because you can run 32 bits binaries on a 64 bits
> kernel doesn't mean w32codecs will actually work. I keep an older 32
> bits system around just because of that.
OpenGL libraries to get 3D acceleration, and they are not available as
a package for amd64 (yet). So yes, there are valid reasons to run
32-bit Linux even on 64-bit systems.
For myself, I run i386 on my Pentium D because 64-bit support on the
earlier Intel models was actually slower than 32-bit -- but with the
amd64 kernel. This works fine except it used to break dkms (it tried to
compile 32-bit modules, which the 64-bit kernel won't load).
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Mihira Fernando <mihira...@gmail.com> wrote:
...
> Adobe flashplayer comes to mind as well. While there is a 64 bit player,
> I've found that the 32bit one plays without any hiccups that the 64bit
> one seems to have (No need to have flash is evil debates here. Some of
> us wants to watch youtube and other flash sites).
Just FTR (although you probably know this), Flash isn't required for
YouTube; you can grab the videos with youtube-dl / clive, and play them
with your favorite video player. There are many advantages to this
method, including:
1) Better playback controls (as per a recent thread here)
2) You have a copy of the video, in case it's removed from YouTube
3) Flash is evil ;)
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> On Tue, 24 May 2011 21:14:38 +0530
> Mihira Fernando <mihira...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> ...
>
>> Adobe flashplayer comes to mind as well. While there is a 64 bit
>> player, I've found that the 32bit one plays without any hiccups that
>> the 64bit one seems to have (No need to have flash is evil debates
>> here. Some of us wants to watch youtube and other flash sites).
>
> Just FTR (although you probably know this), Flash isn't required for
> YouTube; you can grab the videos with youtube-dl / clive, and play them
> with your favorite video player. There are many advantages to this
> method, including:
>
> 1) Better playback controls (as per a recent thread here)
I've found that those helper apps (like the "DownloadThemAll" firefox
extension) do not always work with all of the flash video sites out
there. I dunno exactly why though my guess is that they fail when
javascript comes into play.
And don't forget that videos are only a litte part of the flash based
sites, there games and online applications that depend on flash.
> 2) You have a copy of the video, in case it's removed from YouTube
And who in this world wants to have his terabyte hard disk full of cute -
meow- cats? ;-)
3) Flash is evil ;)
Let me be a bit more picky here. Flash is evil because Adobe made it so.
Adobe's Flash Player, completely open, properly done, developed and
programmed could have its use.
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On 30/05/11 03:57 PM, Camaleón wrote:
> On Mon, 30 May 2011 15:21:37 -0400, Celejar wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 24 May 2011 21:14:38 +0530
>> Mihira Fernando<mihira...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Adobe flashplayer comes to mind as well. While there is a 64 bit
>>> player, I've found that the 32bit one plays without any hiccups that
>>> the 64bit one seems to have (No need to have flash is evil debates
>>> here. Some of us wants to watch youtube and other flash sites).
>>
>> Just FTR (although you probably know this), Flash isn't required for
>> YouTube; you can grab the videos with youtube-dl / clive, and play them
>> with your favorite video player. There are many advantages to this
>> method, including:
With YouTube in particular, I find HTML5 and Gnash work very well on my
"free" systems. YMMV.
>> 1) Better playback controls (as per a recent thread here)
>
> I've found that those helper apps (like the "DownloadThemAll" firefox
> extension) do not always work with all of the flash video sites out
> there. I dunno exactly why though my guess is that they fail when
> javascript comes into play.
>
> And don't forget that videos are only a litte part of the flash based
> sites, there games and online applications that depend on flash.
I think it's sites that require flash for navigation that are an even
more serious issue.
> 3) Flash is evil ;)
>
> Let me be a bit more picky here. Flash is evil because Adobe made it so.
> Adobe's Flash Player, completely open, properly done, developed and
> programmed could have its use.
So, Flash is evil because it's not open source, and has been allowed to
become a "standard" of sorts.
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> On Tue, 24 May 2011 21:14:38 +0530
> Mihira Fernando<mihira...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> ...
>
>> Adobe flashplayer comes to mind as well. While there is a 64 bit player,
>> I've found that the 32bit one plays without any hiccups that the 64bit
>> one seems to have (No need to have flash is evil debates here. Some of
>> us wants to watch youtube and other flash sites).
> Just FTR (although you probably know this), Flash isn't required for
> YouTube; you can grab the videos with youtube-dl / clive, and play them
> with your favorite video player. There are many advantages to this
> method, including:
>
> 1) Better playback controls (as per a recent thread here)
> 2) You have a copy of the video, in case it's removed from YouTube
> 3) Flash is evil ;)
>
> Celejar
Both are scripts. I searched the youtube-dl for "clive" and found nothing,
nor did I find usage, altho it might be there--this is a very large script.
The youtube-download (perhaps not available on Debian?) does have usage
directions, and is quite small. I haven't tried either one. Comment?
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> Using pclos; installed youtube-dl (which you refer to) and youtube-download.
> Both are scripts. I searched the youtube-dl for "clive" and found nothing,
> nor did I find usage, altho it might be there--this is a very large script.
> The youtube-download (perhaps not available on Debian?) does have usage
> directions, and is quite small. I haven't tried either one. Comment?
On a Debian system, `apt-get install clive` will provide the clive utility for downloading videos from various video-hosting sites by URL.
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Camaleón
> Shouldn't the subject be "AMD64 and i386"?
Well, yes, but now should be retitle to "YAFD" (Yet Another Flash
Discussion"... done! :-)
> On 30/05/11 03:57 PM, Camaleón wrote:
>> On Mon, 30 May 2011 15:21:37 -0400, Celejar wrote:
(...)
>> 3) Flash is evil ;)
>>
>> Let me be a bit more picky here. Flash is evil because Adobe made it
>> so. Adobe's Flash Player, completely open, properly done, developed and
>> programmed could have its use.
>
> So, Flash is evil because it's not open source, and has been allowed to
> become a "standard" of sorts.
Flash format is not closed source, as someone told me in this very
mailing list. But the only full featured flash player comes from Adobe
(Adobe Flash Player) and Adobe Flash Player is proprietary software... so
if Adobe had developed an open player it could even become a W3C standard
for html animation (like SVG and SMIL). But now, with HTML5 knocking at
the door of our browsers, who cares? :-)
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Celejar
Doug <dmcga...@optonline.net> wrote:
> On 05/30/2011 03:21 PM, Celejar wrote:
> > On Tue, 24 May 2011 21:14:38 +0530
> > Mihira Fernando<mihira...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > ...
> >
> >> Adobe flashplayer comes to mind as well. While there is a 64 bit player,
> >> I've found that the 32bit one plays without any hiccups that the 64bit
> >> one seems to have (No need to have flash is evil debates here. Some of
> >> us wants to watch youtube and other flash sites).
> > Just FTR (although you probably know this), Flash isn't required for
> > YouTube; you can grab the videos with youtube-dl / clive, and play them
> > with your favorite video player. There are many advantages to this
> > method, including:
> >
> > 1) Better playback controls (as per a recent thread here)
> > 2) You have a copy of the video, in case it's removed from YouTube
> > 3) Flash is evil ;)
> >
> > Celejar
> Using pclos; installed youtube-dl (which you refer to) and youtube-download.
> Both are scripts. I searched the youtube-dl for "clive" and found nothing,
> nor did I find usage, altho it might be there--this is a very large script.
> The youtube-download (perhaps not available on Debian?) does have usage
> directions, and is quite small. I haven't tried either one. Comment?
To use youtube-dl, you (can) just call it with the YouTube link as its
argument, like this:
$ youtube-dl http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=abcdefghij
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Camaleón <noel...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 30 May 2011 15:21:37 -0400, Celejar wrote:
>
> > On Tue, 24 May 2011 21:14:38 +0530
> > Mihira Fernando <mihira...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > ...
> >
> >> Adobe flashplayer comes to mind as well. While there is a 64 bit
> >> player, I've found that the 32bit one plays without any hiccups that
> >> the 64bit one seems to have (No need to have flash is evil debates
> >> here. Some of us wants to watch youtube and other flash sites).
> >
> > Just FTR (although you probably know this), Flash isn't required for
> > YouTube; you can grab the videos with youtube-dl / clive, and play them
> > with your favorite video player. There are many advantages to this
> > method, including:
> >
> > 1) Better playback controls (as per a recent thread here)
>
> I've found that those helper apps (like the "DownloadThemAll" firefox
> extension) do not always work with all of the flash video sites out
> there. I dunno exactly why though my guess is that they fail when
> javascript comes into play.
>
> And don't forget that videos are only a litte part of the flash based
> sites, there games and online applications that depend on flash.
All very true - I wrote of YouTube specifically.
> > 2) You have a copy of the video, in case it's removed from YouTube
>
> And who in this world wants to have his terabyte hard disk full of cute -
> meow- cats? ;-)
Better to grab, and then delete as necessary, than to kick yourself for
not grabbing when you had the chance.
> 3) Flash is evil ;)
>
> Let me be a bit more picky here. Flash is evil because Adobe made it so.
> Adobe's Flash Player, completely open, properly done, developed and
> programmed could have its use.
Yes - but it would still have the potential for great misuse, crufting
up all sorts of things that ought to be kept simple.
> Camaleón
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> On Tue, May 24, 2011 at 5:18 PM, Mihira Fernando <mihira...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 05/24/2011 08:48 PM, J.Hwan.Kim wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi, everyone
>>>
>>> If the CPU core is i5, what package should be installed ia64 or i386?
>>> My old PC (Pentium-D core) is using i386 package.
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance.
>>>
>>> Best Regards,
>>> J.Hwan Kim
>>>
>>>
>> use amd64 if you want 64bit computing or i386 if you want to stick with
>> 32bit computing. ia64 is for the Intel Itanium range of processors.
>
> Actually I never understood why people would want to install i386 when
> amd64 is possible. Since from amd64 you can still run x86 code ... but
> not the other way around. Is there a drawback when installing an amd64
> kernel ?
the major reason.
Still some people(like me) learn programming ,it's a better way to use
i386 , 'cause many books
in the world(I mean as textbook) refer to i386 , such as pointer is 4 bytes.
actually if the cpu arch is amd64, you can install a 32bits system,
and run the 32bits programs , directly .
but if you install a 64bits system , you cannot run 32bits programs
directly ,'cause they link to different libraries.
Though some technique have emerged to run 32bit codes in 64bits system .
>
> Thx
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> On 24 May 2011 23:26, Mathieu Malaterre <mathieu....@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Tue, May 24, 2011 at 5:18 PM, Mihira Fernando <mihira...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> On 05/24/2011 08:48 PM, J.Hwan.Kim wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Hi, everyone
> >>>
> >>> If the CPU core is i5, what package should be installed ia64 or i386?
> >>> My old PC (Pentium-D core) is using i386 package.
> >>>
> >>> Thanks in advance.
> >>>
> >>> Best Regards,
> >>> J.Hwan Kim
> >>>
> >>>
> >> use amd64 if you want 64bit computing or i386 if you want to stick with
> >> 32bit computing. ia64 is for the Intel Itanium range of processors.
> >
> > Actually I never understood why people would want to install i386 when
> > amd64 is possible. Since from amd64 you can still run x86 code ... but
> > not the other way around. Is there a drawback when installing an amd64
> > kernel ?
> some applications(or programs) doesn't have a amd64 version , this is
> the major reason.
> Still some people(like me) learn programming ,it's a better way to use
> i386 , 'cause many books
> in the world(I mean as textbook) refer to i386 , such as pointer is 4 bytes.
It is a very bad reason. Let them find first hand that their book is
making false assumption, before they do non-portable code...
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> On Tue, Jun 07, 2011 at 07:46:01AM CEST, wolf python london <lyh19...@gmail.com> said:
>> On 24 May 2011 23:26, Mathieu Malaterre <mathieu....@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > On Tue, May 24, 2011 at 5:18 PM, Mihira Fernando <mihira...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> On 05/24/2011 08:48 PM, J.Hwan.Kim wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> Hi, everyone
>> >>>
>> >>> If the CPU core is i5, what package should be installed ia64 or i386?
>> >>> My old PC (Pentium-D core) is using i386 package.
>> >>>
>> >>> Thanks in advance.
>> >>>
>> >>> Best Regards,
>> >>> J.Hwan Kim
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >> use amd64 if you want 64bit computing or i386 if you want to stick with
>> >> 32bit computing. ia64 is for the Intel Itanium range of processors.
>> >
>> > Actually I never understood why people would want to install i386 when
>> > amd64 is possible. Since from amd64 you can still run x86 code ... but
>> > not the other way around. Is there a drawback when installing an amd64
>> > kernel ?
>> some applications(or programs) doesn't have a amd64 version , this is
>> the major reason.
>> Still some people(like me) learn programming ,it's a better way to use
>> i386 , 'cause many books
>> in the world(I mean as textbook) refer to i386 , such as pointer is 4 bytes.
>
> It is a very bad reason. Let them find first hand that their book is
> making false assumption, before they do non-portable code...
>
feature of programming languages and
the computer system organizations, not teaching us how to write product code !
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