Upgrade debacle........

[Charlie]

Using Debian testing 3.12-1-amd64

Updated and upgraded this morning was told to run this:

gdk-pixbuf-query-loaders > /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/gdk-pixbuf-2.0/2.10.0/loaders.cache

It didn't do anything of course and when I rebooted, found the system is severely broken.

I assume I have to reinstall, that seems to be suggested on a few ubuntu posts on the web?

Thank you.
Charlie


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[Jochen Spieker]

Charlie:

>
> Using Debian testing 3.12-1-amd64
>
> Updated and upgraded this morning was told to run this:
>
> gdk-pixbuf-query-loaders > /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/gdk-pixbuf-2.0/2.10.0/loaders.cache
>
> It didn't do anything of course and when I rebooted, found the system is severely broken.
>
> I assume I have to reinstall, that seems to be suggested on a few ubuntu posts on the web?

I don't know what your problem is and it appears you aren't interested
to know either. If this is the case, go ahead and reinstall. If you
actually want to know what happened and how you can prevent it in the
future, you should start by describing what your actual problem is.
Maybe we can help.

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[Ralf Mardorf]

On Wed, 2014-04-30 at 05:56 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> Hi Charlie!
>
> On Wed, 2014-04-30 at 13:08 +1000, Charlie wrote:
> > Using Debian testing 3.12-1-amd64
>
> You're using this kernel, but what version of Debian do you use?

Oops, testing.

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[Ralf Mardorf]

Hi Charlie!

On Wed, 2014-04-30 at 13:08 +1000, Charlie wrote:
> Using Debian testing 3.12-1-amd64

You're using this kernel, but what version of Debian do you use?

> Updated and upgraded this morning was told to run this:
>
> gdk-pixbuf-query-loaders > /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/gdk-pixbuf-2.0/2.10.0/loaders.cache

Did apt-get told you to do this?

Which likely should be

sudo gdk-pixbuf-query-loaders --update-cache

?

> It didn't do anything of course and when I rebooted, found the system is severely broken.

You did or didn't run

gdk-pixbuf-query-loaders > /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/gdk-pixbuf-2.0/2.10.0/loaders.cache

?

What is broken?

> I assume I have to reinstall, that seems to be suggested on a few ubuntu posts on the web?

dmesg? /var/log/Xorg.0.log? ~/.xsession-errors? Or what ever log file
might be useful regarding to the "severely broken" things?

Assumed the "severely broken" things can't be fixed, why not restoring
from the last backup you made?

Regards,
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[Charlie]

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From: Jochen Spieker <m...@well-adjusted.de>
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Sent: Wed, 30 Apr 2014 13:27:20 +1000 (EST)
Subject: Re: Upgrade debacle........

Charlie:
>
> Using Debian testing 3.12-1-amd64
>
> Updated and upgraded this morning was told to run this:
>
> gdk-pixbuf-query-loaders > /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/gdk-pixbuf-2.0/2.10.0/loaders.cache
>
> It didn't do anything of course and when I rebooted, found the system is severely broken.
>
> I assume I have to reinstall, that seems to be suggested on a few ubuntu posts on the web?

I don't know what your problem is and it appears you aren't interested
to know either. If this is the case, go ahead and reinstall. If you
actually want to know what happened and how you can prevent it in the
future, you should start by describing what your actual problem is.
Maybe we can help.

J.

Actually my problem is:

1. After the upgrade when I run the command that was instructed by update with apt-get:

# gdk-pixbuf-query-loaders > /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/gdk-pixbuf-2.0/2.10.0/loaders.cache

2. I get this:

-su: gdk-pixbuf-query-loaders: command not found

3. After reboot, I'm on solar power so cannot leave the lappy running even in hibernation, my icons vanish, many red crosses, and some of the applications like claws mail don't work and all manner of things are haywire.

4. I have these directories and the file on my machine:

usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/gdk-pixbuf-2.0/2.10.0/loaders.cache

5. But the loaders cache is 0 empty?

6. So I have looked for a man page about gdk [do I actually need gdk?] Obviously the way my system is set up now I do. But can I set it up without using gdk and get a working system back?

7. Or do I have to do as suggested in ubuntu forums, that I should resinstall as they suggest?

8. Otherwise, I have no idea what I should place into my loaders.cache file? Some sort of code I assume? But why did the upgrader not place it there if that's the case?

9. I also can't find how to install anything that uses this command: gdk-pixbuf-query-loaders apparently gdk is not a package?

Thanks for your reply, but it doesn't mention if I should reinstall or what? But it is otherwise informative.

Be well,
Charlie

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[Ralf Mardorf]

On Wed, 2014-04-30 at 06:10 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> On Wed, 2014-04-30 at 14:00 +1000, Charlie wrote not what issues he
> experience.
> > command not found
>
> https://www.debian.org/distrib/packages#search_contents
> https://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=contents&keywords=gdk-pixbuf-query-loaders+&mode=path&suite=stable&arch=any

https://packages.debian.org/search?suite=jessie&arch=any&mode=path&searchon=contents&keywords=gdk-pixbuf-query-loaders

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[Ralf Mardorf]

On Wed, 2014-04-30 at 14:00 +1000, Charlie wrote not what issues he
experience.

What are the problems you get? Are you sure they're related to
gdk-pixbuf-query-loaders? And if so, why do you think the issues are
related to it?

> command not found

https://www.debian.org/distrib/packages#search_contents
https://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=contents&keywords=gdk-pixbuf-query-loaders+&mode=path&suite=stable&arch=any

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[Ralf Mardorf]

Perhaps, just perhaps

sudo apt-get install libgdk-pixbuf2.0-dev
sudo gdk-pixbuf-query-loaders --update-cache

might help?

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[Ralf Mardorf]

On Wed, 2014-04-30 at 14:00 +1000, Charlie wrote:
> 3. After reboot, I'm on solar power so cannot leave the lappy running
> even in hibernation, my icons vanish, many red crosses, and some of
> the applications like claws mail don't work and all manner of things
> are haywire.

E.g. "claws mail don't work and all manner of things are haywire"
doesn't describe the issues.

What messages do you get, if you run claws in a terminal?

$ cat ~/.xsession-errors

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[Charlie]

----- Original Message -----
From: Ralf Mardorf <ralf.m...@alice-dsl.net>
To: debia...@lists.debian.org
Sent: Wed, 30 Apr 2014 14:11:59 +1000 (EST)
Subject: Re: Upgrade debacle........

On Wed, 2014-04-30 at 06:10 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> On Wed, 2014-04-30 at 14:00 +1000, Charlie wrote not what issues he
> experience.
> > command not found
>
> https://www.debian.org/distrib/packages#search_contents
> https://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=contents&keywords=gdk-pixbuf-query-loaders+&mode=path&suite=stable&arch=any

https://packages.debian.org/search?suite=jessie&arch=any&mode=path&searchon=contents&keywords=gdk-pixbuf-query-loaders

I replied to much of your last email but I'm using webmail and I didn't save my email in draft, so they cut me off and I lost the email.

I'll answer it again.

I hate webmail.

Charlie

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[Charlie]

----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Wed, 30 Apr 2014 13:56:03 +1000 (EST)
Subject: Re: Upgrade debacle........

Hi Charlie!

On Wed, 2014-04-30 at 13:08 +1000, Charlie wrote:
> Using Debian testing 3.12-1-amd64

You're using this kernel, but what version of Debian do you use?

3.12-1-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.12.9-1 (2014-02-01) x86_64 GNU/Linux

Hope that helps?

I use that kernel because the later one did all sorts of CPU gobbling with swap files, when I have two swap partitions of 1GB each on this system from when I set it up.

> Updated and upgraded this morning was told to run this:
>
> gdk-pixbuf-query-loaders > /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/gdk-pixbuf-2.0/2.10.0/loaders.cache

> Did apt-get told you to do this?

Yes apt-get told me to run this command, and I did as root.

> Which likely should be

> sudo gdk-pixbuf-query-loaders --update-cache

I also ran that command and the response was the same:

-su: gdk-pixbuf-query-loaders --update-cache

> It didn't do anything of course and when I rebooted, found the system is severely broken.

> You did or didn't run

> gdk-pixbuf-query-loaders > /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/gdk-pixbuf-2.0/2.10.0/loaders.cache

I did run it as requested by apt-get.

What is broken?

> I assume I have to reinstall, that seems to be suggested on a few ubuntu posts on the web?

dmesg? /var/log/Xorg.0.log? ~/.xsession-errors? Or what ever log file
might be useful regarding to the "severely broken" things?

I looked, at could find nothing, and it also didn't give me any clues as I watched the boot up messages.

Assumed the "severely broken" things can't be fixed, why not restoring
from the last backup you made?

I have never mastered a backup, so have never made one. The few times that things went belly up, I reinstalled all the system directories and files and applications and started again with my /home directory untouched, it was all just as I left it.

Thanks,
Charlie

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[Charlie]

----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Wed, 30 Apr 2014 14:26:24 +1000 (EST)
Subject: Re: Upgrade debacle........

Perhaps, just perhaps

sudo apt-get install libgdk-pixbuf2.0-dev
sudo gdk-pixbuf-query-loaders --update-cache

might help?

Thanks Ralf,

I'm installing that now to try it.

I'm on satellite, so it takes a bit longer to do anything.

Thanks for your help.
Charlie

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[Ralf Mardorf]

On Wed, 2014-04-30 at 06:55 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:

> On Wed, 2014-04-30 at 14:40 +1000, Charlie wrote:
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Ralf Mardorf <ralf.m...@alice-dsl.net>
> > To: debia...@lists.debian.org
> > Sent: Wed, 30 Apr 2014 14:26:24 +1000 (EST)
> > Subject: Re: Upgrade debacle........
> >
> > Perhaps, just perhaps
> >
> > sudo apt-get install libgdk-pixbuf2.0-dev
> > sudo gdk-pixbuf-query-loaders --update-cache
> >
> > might help?
> >
> > Thanks Ralf,
> >
> > I'm installing that now to try it.
> >
> > I'm on satellite, so it takes a bit longer to do anything.
> >
> > Thanks for your help.
> > Charlie
>

> JFTR
>
> [rocketmouse@archlinux ~]$ man gdk-pixbuf-query-loaders
>
> gdk-pixbuf-query-loaders collects information about loadable modules for
> gdk-pixbuf and writes it to the default cache file location, or to
> stdout.
>
> So
>
> > /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/gdk-pixbuf-2.0/2.10.0/loaders.cache
>
> likely does the same as
>
> --update-cache
>
> does on Debian.

You perhaps should prefer to use
> /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/gdk-pixbuf-2.0/2.10.0/loaders.cache
assumed this shouldn't be the default cache location.

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[Charlie]

----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Wed, 30 Apr 2014 14:19:39 +1000 (EST)
Subject: Re: Upgrade debacle........

On Wed, 2014-04-30 at 14:00 +1000, Charlie wrote:
> 3. After reboot, I'm on solar power so cannot leave the lappy running
> even in hibernation, my icons vanish, many red crosses, and some of
> the applications like claws mail don't work and all manner of things
> are haywire.

E.g. "claws mail don't work and all manner of things are haywire"
doesn't describe the issues.

What messages do you get, if you run claws in a terminal?

(claws-mail:11458): GdkPixbuf-WARNING **: Error loading XPM image loader: Image type 'xpm' is not supported
stock_pixmap.c:482 Condition pix_d->pixbuf != NULL failed
traceback:
0: claws-mail(stock_pixbuf_gdk+0x130) [0x54a040]
1: claws-mail(folderview_init+0x23d) [0x4958fd]
2: claws-mail(main_window_create+0x5313) [0x4be4f3]
3: claws-mail(main+0xaef) [0x447ebf]
4: /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libc.so.6(__libc_start_main+0xf5) [0x7f86f4276b45]
5: claws-mail() [0x449995]


(claws-mail:11458): GdkPixbuf-WARNING **: Error loading XPM image loader: Image type 'xpm' is not supported
stock_pixmap.c:482 Condition pix_d->pixbuf != NULL failed
traceback:
0: claws-mail(stock_pixbuf_gdk+0x130) [0x54a040]
1: claws-mail(folderview_init+0x24f) [0x49590f]
2: claws-mail(main_window_create+0x5313) [0x4be4f3]
3: claws-mail(main+0xaef) [0x447ebf]
4: /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libc.so.6(__libc_start_main+0xf5) [0x7f86f4276b45]
5: claws-mail() [0x449995]


(claws-mail:11458): GdkPixbuf-WARNING **: Error loading XPM image loader: Image type 'xpm' is not supported
stock_pixmap.c:482 Condition pix_d->pixbuf != NULL failed
traceback:
0: claws-mail(stock_pixbuf_gdk+0x130) [0x54a040]
1: claws-mail(summary_init+0xd0) [0x556a40]
2: claws-mail(main_window_create+0x531b) [0x4be4fb]
3: claws-mail(main+0xaef) [0x447ebf]
4: /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libc.so.6(__libc_start_main+0xf5) [0x7f86f4276b45]
5: claws-mail() [0x449995]


(claws-mail:11458): GdkPixbuf-WARNING **: Error loading XPM image loader: Image type 'xpm' is not supported
stock_pixmap.c:482 Condition pix_d->pixbuf != NULL failed
traceback:
0: claws-mail(stock_pixbuf_gdk+0x130) [0x54a040]
1: claws-mail(summary_init+0xe3) [0x556a53]
2: claws-mail(main_window_create+0x531b) [0x4be4fb]
3: claws-mail(main+0xaef) [0x447ebf]
4: /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libc.so.6(__libc_start_main+0xf5) [0x7f86f4276b45]
5: claws-mail() [0x449995]


(claws-mail:11458): GdkPixbuf-WARNING **: Error loading XPM image loader: Image type 'xpm' is not supported
stock_pixmap.c:482 Condition pix_d->pixbuf != NULL failed
traceback:


Stuff like that.

Thanks,
Charlie

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[Ralf Mardorf]

On Wed, 2014-04-30 at 14:40 +1000, Charlie wrote:
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Ralf Mardorf <ralf.m...@alice-dsl.net>
> To: debia...@lists.debian.org
> Sent: Wed, 30 Apr 2014 14:26:24 +1000 (EST)
> Subject: Re: Upgrade debacle........
>
> Perhaps, just perhaps
>
> sudo apt-get install libgdk-pixbuf2.0-dev
> sudo gdk-pixbuf-query-loaders --update-cache
>
> might help?
>
> Thanks Ralf,
>
> I'm installing that now to try it.
>
> I'm on satellite, so it takes a bit longer to do anything.
>
> Thanks for your help.
> Charlie

JFTR

[rocketmouse@archlinux ~]$ man gdk-pixbuf-query-loaders

gdk-pixbuf-query-loaders collects information about loadable modules for
gdk-pixbuf and writes it to the default cache file location, or to
stdout.

So

> /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/gdk-pixbuf-2.0/2.10.0/loaders.cache

likely does the same as

--update-cache

does on Debian.

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[Charlie]

On Wed, 30 Apr 2014 06:10:17 +0200 Ralf Mardorf sent:

> On Wed, 2014-04-30 at 14:00 +1000, Charlie wrote not what issues he
> experience.
>
> What are the problems you get? Are you sure they're related to
> gdk-pixbuf-query-loaders? And if so, why do you think the issues are
> related to it?
>
> > command not found
>
> https://www.debian.org/distrib/packages#search_contents
> https://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=contents&keywords=gdk-pixbuf-query-loaders+&mode=path&suite=stable&arch=any
>

Yes, that was the problem, because of that "command not found remark".

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[Charlie]

On Wed, 30 Apr 2014 06:26:24 +0200 Ralf Mardorf sent:

> Perhaps, just perhaps
>
> sudo apt-get install libgdk-pixbuf2.0-dev
> sudo gdk-pixbuf-query-loaders --update-cache
>
> might help?

That did the trick Ralf. I did the first and then ran the second
command, rebooted and it's all good.

Thank you for that.

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[Charlie]

On Wed, 30 Apr 2014 05:27:20 +0200 Jochen Spieker sent:

> Charlie:
> >
> > Using Debian testing 3.12-1-amd64
> >
> > Updated and upgraded this morning was told to run this:
> >
> > gdk-pixbuf-query-loaders
> > > /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/gdk-pixbuf-2.0/2.10.0/loaders.cache
> >
> > It didn't do anything of course and when I rebooted, found the
> > system is severely broken.
> >
> > I assume I have to reinstall, that seems to be suggested on a few
> > ubuntu posts on the web?
>
> I don't know what your problem is and it appears you aren't interested
> to know either. If this is the case, go ahead and reinstall. If you
> actually want to know what happened and how you can prevent it in the
> future, you should start by describing what your actual problem is.
> Maybe we can help.
>
> J.

Hello Jochen,

Thanks for your reply, I was using webmail to reply to the posts and I
wrote a reply to you and sent it, but it wasn't in my sent mail folder
in Zimbra webmail.

So the email that answered yours obviously wasn't even saved and
certainly didn't get to the list from what I can see.

So my apologies, I did answer and I did thank you for your reply. Even
if it didn't answer my query, whether I should reinstall as was
suggested by the problem in an ubuntu forum I found where it documented
what I was experiencing.

Thanks again,

Charlie
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[Chris Bannister]

On Wed, Apr 30, 2014 at 01:08:09PM +1000, Charlie wrote:
>
> Using Debian testing 3.12-1-amd64
>
> Updated and upgraded this morning was told to run this:
>
> gdk-pixbuf-query-loaders > /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/gdk-pixbuf-2.0/2.10.0/loaders.cache
>
> It didn't do anything of course and when I rebooted, found the system is severely broken.

What do you mean 'of course', why didn't you expect it to?

> I assume I have to reinstall, that seems to be suggested on a few ubuntu posts on the web?

I reported Bug#742875 which I noticed on an upgrade. Can you add
anything to it?

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[Robert Holtzman]

On Wed, Apr 30, 2014 at 02:24:02PM +1000, Charlie wrote:
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Ralf Mardorf <ralf.m...@alice-dsl.net>
> To: debia...@lists.debian.org
> Sent: Wed, 30 Apr 2014 14:11:59 +1000 (EST)
> Subject: Re: Upgrade debacle........
>
> On Wed, 2014-04-30 at 06:10 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> > On Wed, 2014-04-30 at 14:00 +1000, Charlie wrote not what issues he
> > experience.
> > > command not found
> >
> > https://www.debian.org/distrib/packages#search_contents
> > https://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=contents&keywords=gdk-pixbuf-query-loaders+&mode=path&suite=stable&arch=any
>
> https://packages.debian.org/search?suite=jessie&arch=any&mode=path&searchon=contents&keywords=gdk-pixbuf-query-loaders
>
>
> I replied to much of your last email but I'm using webmail and I didn't save my email in draft, so they cut me off and I lost the email.
>
> I'll answer it again.
>
> I hate webmail.

Then why use it?

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[Lisi Reisz]

On Wednesday 30 April 2014 06:53:17 Charlie wrote:
> Even
> if it didn't answer my query, whether I should reinstall

How could he or anyone else answer that query without any information?

Lisi

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[Charlie]

On Wed, 30 Apr 2014 22:53:38 +0100 Lisi Reisz sent:

> On Wednesday 30 April 2014 06:53:17 Charlie wrote:
> > Even
> > if it didn't answer my query, whether I should reinstall
>
> How could he or anyone else answer that query without any information?
>
> Lisi

True, that was my fault entirely. I thought that if someone in Debian
had experienced that message from apt-get might have done as I did and
had to reinstall their system because, like me they destroyed it? Or so
I thought, I did. Fortunately my browsers still worked, somewhat.

So it was a very general question.

Obviously no one had received that message and didn't have to deal with
it previously.

Had they had that problem and overcome it themselves, they would have
of course written something like: "no it can be fixed". And if known,
included a URL to where the solution might be documented, a wiki page or
something.

Ralf was kind enough to take it to a higher level. Which was very much
appreciated. He like many others on this list, not only those who have
helped me personally, impresses me with his knowledge. Consequently I
was humbled and grateful when he decided to assist me with the problem
I was experiencing.

So you are quite correct, I should have supplied greater detail had I
wanted a possible solution in a reply or series of replies. But at the
spur of the moment when I thought most were asleep, just required a
general idea before I hunted further.

Thank you for pointing it out. In the future I will try harder to do
better.

Be well,

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[Steve Litt]

On Wed, 30 Apr 2014 22:53:38 +0100

Lisi Reisz <lisi....@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Wednesday 30 April 2014 06:53:17 Charlie wrote:
> > Even
> > if it didn't answer my query, whether I should reinstall
>
> How could he or anyone else answer that query without any information?

I'll answer it without any information...

As an elder in the Church of the Known State, I'm a big fan of
reinstalls. I view a reinstall like spring cleaning: Get rid of that
junk you don't need anymore, get rid of the dust bunnies, and end up
with a bright, clean computer, without the kludges that make the new
version compatible with the old config files.

Also, reinstallation is the time you can review your partitioning, and
see if you need to grow and shrink partitions (obviously this wouldn't
be an issue if I were using LVM, but I'm not).

So, whenever I change from one version to another, I reinstall from
scratch. Whenever I put Linux on a different computer, I reinstall.
When I get a problem, right away I know I can rule out ghosts of
versions past that upgrades let slip through.

I almost never upgrade between one version and another, even minor
versions.

SteveT

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[Charlie]

On Wed, 30 Apr 2014 12:22:09 -0700 Robert Holtzman sent:

> On Wed, Apr 30, 2014 at 02:24:02PM +1000, Charlie wrote:
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Ralf Mardorf <ralf.m...@alice-dsl.net>
> > To: debia...@lists.debian.org
> > Sent: Wed, 30 Apr 2014 14:11:59 +1000 (EST)
> > Subject: Re: Upgrade debacle........
> >
> > On Wed, 2014-04-30 at 06:10 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> > > On Wed, 2014-04-30 at 14:00 +1000, Charlie wrote not what issues
> > > he experience.
> > > > command not found
> > >
> > > https://www.debian.org/distrib/packages#search_contents
> > > https://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=contents&keywords=gdk-pixbuf-query-loaders+&mode=path&suite=stable&arch=any
> >
> > https://packages.debian.org/search?suite=jessie&arch=any&mode=path&searchon=contents&keywords=gdk-pixbuf-query-loaders
> >
> >
> > I replied to much of your last email but I'm using webmail and I
> > didn't save my email in draft, so they cut me off and I lost the
> > email.
> >
> > I'll answer it again.
> >
> > I hate webmail.
>
> Then why use it?

It might not have come through on my posts, but Claws-mail my email
application no longer worked. To contact the list I had to use webmail
through my ISP's website.

That's the reason I used webmail.

My apologies for not making that clear.

Thank you for pointing it out.

Stay well,

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[Charlie]

On Thu, 1 May 2014 00:27:21 +1200 Chris Bannister sent:

> On Wed, Apr 30, 2014 at 01:08:09PM +1000, Charlie wrote:
> >
> > Using Debian testing 3.12-1-amd64
> >
> > Updated and upgraded this morning was told to run this:
> >
> > gdk-pixbuf-query-loaders
> > > /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/gdk-pixbuf-2.0/2.10.0/loaders.cache
> >
> > It didn't do anything of course and when I rebooted, found the
> > system is severely broken.
>
> What do you mean 'of course', why didn't you expect it to?
>
> > I assume I have to reinstall, that seems to be suggested on a few
> > ubuntu posts on the web?
>
> I reported Bug#742875 which I noticed on an upgrade. Can you add
> anything to it?

Sorry Chris,

I had my pessimistic hat on yesterday morning.

I thought that if a command should be issued to implement an upgrade,
it would have been run during that upgrade. eg. Halting cups printing
system.

Installing cups-0345-71 [or something],

Restarting cups printing system.

[end bad example]

When that sort of thing didn't happen, and apt-get told me to run a
command, I had a feeling something was missing or misconfigured on my
system.

Hence "of course". If I was on mains power, instead of solar, I could
have left my lappy on and waited for something to come up in the next
update, and possibly fixed in the next upgrade. But that's just not an
option. So I shut it down and later when I had time rebooted and
realised some things were seriously wrong.

Other emails this morning might explain other elements?

So my mistake for thinking out loud without explanation.

Be well,

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[Charlie]

On Wed, 30 Apr 2014 18:59:13 -0400 Steve Litt sent:

> I view a reinstall like spring cleaning: Get rid of that
> junk you don't need anymore, get rid of the dust bunnies, and end up
> with a bright, clean computer, without the kludges that make the new
> version compatible with the old config files.

I must admit I'm much of this opinion myself Steve. So reinstalls don't
worry me as much as they appear to worry others.

My bandwidth is not fast here at home, but because I do volunteer work
at our community centre in town, I have lightning fast and vast
bandwidth capability for free use there. The only drawback is I have to
travel 32 kilometres round trip to access that node.

Be well,

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[Andrei POPESCU]

On Jo, 01 mai 14, 08:58:04, Charlie wrote:
>
> So you are quite correct, I should have supplied greater detail had I
> wanted a possible solution in a reply or series of replies. But at the
> spur of the moment when I thought most were asleep, just required a
> general idea before I hunted further.

debian-user never sleeps :p

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[Charlie]

On Thu, 1 May 2014 02:33:45 +0300 Andrei POPESCU sent:

> On Jo, 01 mai 14, 08:58:04, Charlie wrote:
> >
> > So you are quite correct, I should have supplied greater detail had
> > I wanted a possible solution in a reply or series of replies. But
> > at the spur of the moment when I thought most were asleep, just
> > required a general idea before I hunted further.
>
> debian-user never sleeps :p
>
> Kind regards,
> Andrei

True Andrei, you have helped me often enough and the assistance you gave
consumed much of your time and required your patience and vast
knowledge as well.

I hope you know it was greatly appreciated, though you may not recall
it.

Be well,
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[Lisi Reisz]

On Wednesday 30 April 2014 23:58:04 Charlie wrote:
> But at the
> spur of the moment when I thought most were asleep

This list is worldwide. The sun never sets on it. ;-)

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[Ralf Mardorf]

On Thu, 2014-05-01 at 10:37 +0100, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> On Wednesday 30 April 2014 23:58:04 Charlie wrote:
> > But at the
> > spur of the moment when I thought most were asleep
>
> This list is worldwide. The sun never sets on it. ;-)
>

"debian-user never sleeps :p" - Andrei P.

Btw. some of us wake up at night, because we can't stay sunlight and we
need to visit houses of people who invited us, to stay alive-dead.

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[Chris Bannister]

On Thu, May 01, 2014 at 09:12:08AM +1000, Charlie wrote:
> >
> > I reported Bug#742875 which I noticed on an upgrade. Can you add
> > anything to it?
>

> I thought that if a command should be issued to implement an upgrade,
> it would have been run during that upgrade. eg. Halting cups printing
> system.
>
> Installing cups-0345-71 [or something],
>
> Restarting cups printing system.
>
> [end bad example]
>
> When that sort of thing didn't happen, and apt-get told me to run a
> command, I had a feeling something was missing or misconfigured on my
> system.

Did you read my bug report?
https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=742875

Was it the same package that caused the messages?

Although, I didn't state it explicitly, I thought the message was a bit
of a "cop out" like yourself�. But to top it all off it asked me to run a
command which didn't even exist on my system, as though I was expected
to jump through hoops myself. Also, considering that I don't even know
what this gdk-pixbuf-2.0 program is for, (I've never messed with it.) I
thought that maybe my setup uncovered a bug in the upgrade process
(after all, remember we are running testing -- helping the project to
test for bugs and reporting them when we do find them.) since I don't
run a DE, and maybe hicolor-icon-theme expects one.

I reported that bug a month ago, not even an acknowledgment from the
maintainer. It looks like it hasn't even been looked at. Now, from what
you have posted regarding booting problems (I'm not even sure if I've
rebooted myself since then -- unfortunately I'd have too many things to
restart to test it at the moment -- but if I did, I'd raise the bug
level.) Hence the reason I asked if could add anything to it. Was it
even caused by "Processing triggers for hicolor-icon-theme (0.13-1)"? If
not, then add that also.

� I mean that you think the same! NOT that you're a cop out! :)

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[Charlie]

On Thu, 1 May 2014 22:07:57 +1200 Chris Bannister sent:

<snip>

> Did you read my bug report?
> https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=742875
>
> Was it the same package that caused the messages?

<snip>

Chris, because I'm not certain that it was the same package, as the
command I was told to run by apt-get was:

gdk-pixbuf-query-loaders
> /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/gdk-pixbuf-2.0/2.10.0/loaders.cache

and the one that you posted on the bug report was in a directory that
doesn't exist on my system, but a similar file:

gdk-pixbuf-query-loaders
> /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/gdk-pixbuf-2.0/2.10.0/loaders.cache

If the command was the package:

gdk-pixbuf-query-loaders

Then yes, it was the same package and the response was the same for me
as for you.

Before I did as Ralf suggested and installed:

# apt-get install libgdk-pixbuf2.0-dev

and then ran the command:

# gdk-pixbuf-query-loaders --update-cache

The "loaders.cache" file as shown above was completely empty. Had
nothing in it at all, but existed.

Since the latter command <gdk-pixbuf-query-loaders --update-cache> was
run. That file has a heap of stuff in it.

If it helps I can post the contents of the file here or to you directly.

I'm not certain the above information was of any help, but I hope it is.

I really had no idea what pixbuf is and like you never had cause to
examine it.

Stay well,

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[Andrei POPESCU]

On Jo, 01 mai 14, 22:17:35, Charlie wrote:
>
> Chris, because I'm not certain that it was the same package, as the
> command I was told to run by apt-get was:
>
> gdk-pixbuf-query-loaders
> > /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/gdk-pixbuf-2.0/2.10.0/loaders.cache
>
> and the one that you posted on the bug report was in a directory that
> doesn't exist on my system, but a similar file:
>
> gdk-pixbuf-query-loaders
> > /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/gdk-pixbuf-2.0/2.10.0/loaders.cache

I'm guessing you are on amd64 and Chris is on i386, which would explain
the different directory ;)

[Charlie]

On Thu, 1 May 2014 15:23:50 +0300 Andrei POPESCU sent:

> On Jo, 01 mai 14, 22:17:35, Charlie wrote:
> >
> > Chris, because I'm not certain that it was the same package, as the
> > command I was told to run by apt-get was:
> >
> > gdk-pixbuf-query-loaders
> > > /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/gdk-pixbuf-2.0/2.10.0/loaders.cache
> >
> > and the one that you posted on the bug report was in a directory
> > that doesn't exist on my system, but a similar file:
> >
> > gdk-pixbuf-query-loaders
> > > /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/gdk-pixbuf-2.0/2.10.0/loaders.cache
>
> I'm guessing you are on amd64 and Chris is on i386, which would
> explain the different directory ;)
>
> Kind regards,
> Andrei

I am indeed on amd64.

Be well,

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[Selim T. Erdogan]

Chris Bannister, 1.05.2014:

>
> Did you read my bug report?
> https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=742875
>
> Was it the same package that caused the messages?
>
> Although, I didn't state it explicitly, I thought the message was a bit
> of a "cop out" like yourself�. But to top it all off it asked me to run a
> command which didn't even exist on my system, as though I was expected
> to jump through hoops myself. Also, considering that I don't even know
> what this gdk-pixbuf-2.0 program is for, (I've never messed with it.) I
> thought that maybe my setup uncovered a bug in the upgrade process
> (after all, remember we are running testing -- helping the project to
> test for bugs and reporting them when we do find them.) since I don't
> run a DE, and maybe hicolor-icon-theme expects one.
>
> I reported that bug a month ago, not even an acknowledgment from the
> maintainer. It looks like it hasn't even been looked at. Now, from what
> you have posted regarding booting problems (I'm not even sure if I've
> rebooted myself since then -- unfortunately I'd have too many things to
> restart to test it at the moment -- but if I did, I'd raise the bug
> level.) Hence the reason I asked if could add anything to it. Was it
> even caused by "Processing triggers for hicolor-icon-theme (0.13-1)"? If
> not, then add that also.
>
> � I mean that you think the same! NOT that you're a cop out! :)

I run sid and saw the same warning when updating in early March. I know
when it happened, because I copied the message into a file as a note to
myself but then forgot to look at it! It was for the same version of
hicolor-icon-theme, 0.13-1, according to my note. I've updated the
system several times since then, but hicolor-icon-theme is still 0.13-1,
which is the latest version available.

I also tried
apt-get install --reinstall hicolor-icon-theme
to see if the message would appear again now, but it didn't.

At the time, I didn't check to see if the file
/usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/gdk-pixbuf-2.0/2.10.0/loaders.cache
existed. I also didn't run the command
gdk-pixbuf-query-loaders > /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/gdk-pixbuf-2.0/2.10.0/loaders.cache
However, I checked just now and that file exists, with a non-zero size.

So either the original warning about the missing file was incorrect, or
the situation righted itself since. I see that I also don't have any
packages which provide gdk-pixbuf-query-loaders, so it's unlikely that
an update ran that behind the screens.

One thing I noticed, is that the warning message you reported begins with
(gtk-update-icon-cache-3.0:28805)
as does mine, except for the number at the end. So I suspect that the
original problem was with gtk-update-icon-cache-3.0 doing something
wrong at the time, which has been corrected since. Running
apt-file search gtk-update-icon-cache-3.0
shows me two packages, libgtk-3-0 and libgtk-3-bin, which were both
updated recently, according to my dpkg.log files.

Conclusion: I think the bug was probably due to another package, which
has been fixed since, though it might not have entered testing.

(Oh, and just for the record: I run gnome in fallback mode, have
rebooted several times and don't remember any problems with icons.)

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[Ralf Mardorf]

On Thu, 2014-05-01 at 13:37 -0500, Selim T. Erdogan wrote:
> gdk-pixbuf-query-loaders > /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/gdk-pixbuf-2.0/2.10.0/loaders.cache

The funny thing is, that "gdk-pixbuf-query-loaders" is mentioned without
a path.

Regarding to
https://packages.debian.org/search?suite=jessie&arch=any&mode=path&searchon=contents&keywords=gdk-pixbuf-query-loaders
this does mean, that the user needs to install the devel package. I
guess /usr/lib/ isn't a default path for executables.

Warning, don't drink
http://www.jo-hansen.dk/beer/bryggerier/fotosider/Faxe/Faxe_10pct_can1liter_Viking_extra-strong-beer_FA103_2009-X.html as I'm doing now, since you might lose control when trying to run commands in a terminal emulation:

[rocketmouse@archlinux ~]$ eco §PATH
bash: eco: command not found
[rocketmouse@archlinux ~]$ echo §PATH
§PATH
[rocketmouse@archlinux ~]$ echo $PATH
/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/bin/vendor_perl:/usr/bin/core_perl
[rocketmouse@archlinux ~]$ llmount -w debi386
[sudo] password for rocketmouse:
[rocketmouse@archlinux ~]$ sudo systemd-nspawn -D debi386
Invalid root directory: No such file or directory
[rocketmouse@archlinux ~]$ sudo systemd-nspawn -D /mnt/debi386
Spawning container debi386 on /mnt/debi386. Press ^] three times within
1s to abort execution.
root@debi386:~# echo $PATH
/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin
root@debi386:~# logout

[rocketmouse@archlinux ~]$

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[Ralf Mardorf]

On Thu, 2014-05-01 at 20:59 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> On Thu, 2014-05-01 at 13:37 -0500, Selim T. Erdogan wrote:
> > gdk-pixbuf-query-loaders > /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/gdk-pixbuf-2.0/2.10.0/loaders.cache
>
> The funny thing is, that "gdk-pixbuf-query-loaders" is mentioned without
> a path.
>
> Regarding to
> https://packages.debian.org/search?suite=jessie&arch=any&mode=path&searchon=contents&keywords=gdk-pixbuf-query-loaders
> this does mean, that the user needs to install the devel package. I
> guess /usr/lib/ isn't a default path for executables.

And instead of using --update-cache, standard output is > to
a /long/path/file. Perhaps the package maintainer drunk the same beer as
I'm doing at the moment.

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[Ralf Mardorf]

On Thu, 2014-05-01 at 21:25 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> A nice joke, I found this
>
> "sudo /usr/bin/gdk-pixbuf-query-loaders --update-cache" -
> https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?pid=1251717#p1251717
>
> Does anybody else add the path to a command located in /usr/bin/ or any
> other command that _usually_ is mentioned by $PATH?
^^^^^^^ Typo supported by Faxe beer, it should be "path" and not
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[Ralf Mardorf]

A nice joke, I found this

"sudo /usr/bin/gdk-pixbuf-query-loaders --update-cache" -
https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?pid=1251717#p1251717

Does anybody else add the path to a command located in /usr/bin/ or any
other command that _usually_ is mentioned by $PATH?

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On 05/01/2014 02:37 PM, Selim T. Erdogan wrote:

> At the time, I didn't check to see if the file
> /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/gdk-pixbuf-2.0/2.10.0/loaders.cache
> existed. I also didn't run the command
> gdk-pixbuf-query-loaders > /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/gdk-pixbuf-2.0/2.10.0/loaders.cache
> However, I checked just now and that file exists, with a non-zero size.

I've seen this several times myself.

My experience seems to suggest that during the course of upgrading some
packages, this 'loaders.cache' file temporarily does not exist, and
later in the process this command gets automatically run and the file
re-created. At some point in the middle, however, something which
expects the file to exist gets run, and when it doesn't find the file,
that error gets printed.

IOW, as long as the file exists after the apt-get or dpkg run has
completed (which it always has in my experience), this appears to be a
false-positive warning.

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[Ralf Mardorf]

On Thu, 2014-05-01 at 22:56 -0400, The Wanderer wrote:
> On 05/01/2014 02:37 PM, Selim T. Erdogan wrote:
>
> > At the time, I didn't check to see if the file
> > /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/gdk-pixbuf-2.0/2.10.0/loaders.cache
> > existed. I also didn't run the command
> > gdk-pixbuf-query-loaders > /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/gdk-pixbuf-2.0/2.10.0/loaders.cache
> > However, I checked just now and that file exists, with a non-zero size.
>
> I've seen this several times myself.
>
> My experience seems to suggest that during the course of upgrading some
> packages, this 'loaders.cache' file temporarily does not exist, and
> later in the process this command gets automatically run and the file
> re-created. At some point in the middle, however, something which
> expects the file to exist gets run, and when it doesn't find the file,
> that error gets printed.
>
> IOW, as long as the file exists after the apt-get or dpkg run has
> completed (which it always has in my experience), this appears to be a
> false-positive warning.

It was an issue for the OP. It's disputable if somebody who can't solve
such an issue on her/his own, should use testing, instead of stable.

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[Joel Rees]

On Fri, May 2, 2014 at 4:27 AM, Ralf Mardorf <ralf.m...@alice-dsl.net> wrote:

On Thu, 2014-05-01 at 21:25 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> A nice joke, I found this
>
> "sudo /usr/bin/gdk-pixbuf-query-loaders --update-cache" -
> https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?pid=1251717#p1251717
>
> Does anybody else add the path to a command located in /usr/bin/ or any
> other command that _usually_ is mentioned by $PATH?

       ^^^^^^^ Typo supported by Faxe beer, it should be "path" and not
"command".

 

Sometimes, yeah, I type the complete path if my memory is telling me there may be an identically named binary in an earlier path in the $PATH .

Somedays, when I am feeling particularly paranoid, I type the full path name on all commands. (Not very often, however.) Or if the globbing gap between sudo and the command line is causing me command lookup pain, but I would assume that most people never feel that pain. 

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[Ralf Mardorf]

Ok, if I don't remember the complete command name and I like to use the
tab key to show me a list of available commands (r typing the complete
command name is to much work, then I first type the first characters
without sudo, push the tab key and after that I add sudo.

[rocketmouse@archlinux ~]$ ch
chacl chattr checkdotdin checkupdates chfn
chmod chpassword chrt
chage chcon checkgid checkXML chgpasswd
chmorph chromedriver chsh
charmap chcp check_hd cheese chgrp
chown chromium chuser
chat chcpu check-regexp chem chktex
chpasswd chroot chvt
[rocketmouse@archlinux ~]$ sudo ch

Alternatively I run su or sudo -i and than continue using commands
without sudo.

If I add a launcher or a /usr/share/xsessions/*.desktop file, I
sometimes use the complete path too, just in case.

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[filip]

On Fri, 02 May 2014 09:11:03 +0200
Ralf Mardorf <ralf.m...@alice-dsl.net> wrote:

> Alternatively I run su or sudo -i and than continue using commands
> without sudo.

sudo -s is probably a better than sudo -i, if you want the current
directory to remain the same.

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[Ralf Mardorf]

On Fri, 2014-05-02 at 09:35 +0200, filip wrote:
> On Fri, 02 May 2014 09:11:03 +0200
> Ralf Mardorf <ralf.m...@alice-dsl.net> wrote:
>
> > Alternatively I run su or sudo -i and than continue using commands
> > without sudo.
>
> sudo -s is probably a better than sudo -i, if you want the current
> directory to remain the same.

Indeed, I didn't notice it, since it never was important for me. Thank
you for the heads-up.

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[Charlie]

On Thu, 01 May 2014 22:56:12 -0400 The Wanderer sent:

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>
> On 05/01/2014 02:37 PM, Selim T. Erdogan wrote:
>
> > At the time, I didn't check to see if the file
> > /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/gdk-pixbuf-2.0/2.10.0/loaders.cache
> > existed. I also didn't run the command
> > gdk-pixbuf-query-loaders
> > > /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/gdk-pixbuf-2.0/2.10.0/loaders.cache
> > > However, I checked just now and that file exists, with a non-zero
> > > size.
>
> I've seen this several times myself.
>
> My experience seems to suggest that during the course of upgrading
> some packages, this 'loaders.cache' file temporarily does not exist,
> and later in the process this command gets automatically run and the
> file re-created. At some point in the middle, however, something which
> expects the file to exist gets run, and when it doesn't find the file,
> that error gets printed.
>
> IOW, as long as the file exists after the apt-get or dpkg run has
> completed (which it always has in my experience), this appears to be a
> false-positive warning.

In my case, the file, "loaders.cache" existed and was empty. I even
created the directories and file for i386. But it didn't work either.
Not knowing what the file should contain, also didn't know what should
be written into it.

The reason of course was that there were some packages not installed to
make the command work.

The libgdk-pixbuf2.0-dev package for pixbuf seemed to contain what I
needed to install the command. I'll have to keep that in mind in the
future.

I don't generally install development files, as I don't have the
knowledge to develop anything, and I don't generally just like
installing things that might do the trick. I like to keep my system
reasonably lean and mean.

Interestingly not having the correct application, it affected more than
just the icons, which I could have lived with till I worked it out. It
also emasculated Claws-mail which I prefer and is my only mail program.

Usually just worry at a problem till I find the solution, but because
it emasculated Claws-mail and I use email extensively, it was a bit
more of a pressing problem. But things like this do happen at times,
when something oft used goes belly up and some help is appreciated to
get it working.

Be well,
Charlie

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[Paul E Condon]

In case its of any help, I experienced the error message yesterday
while dist-upgrading from Wheezy to Jessie. It rolled by several dozen
times as I watched the upgrade process in Aptitude. When I tried to do
as instructed, I realized that the command didn't have a path, and
sure enough I could not find it. I decided to ignore it since the
worst that could happen was yet another unscheduled re-install as OP
was expecting. But, so far, Jessie is functioning no worse than Wheezy
for me. Except that I have no sound where I did definitely have sound
with Wheezy. Oh well...

Also I have email, which is good for getting help. I also hate
webmail. But I can't accept help now. I have errands to run before the
weekend. And maybe, just maybe, some kind developer/maintainer has
already fix my sound problem and it will be gone when I get home from
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[Charlie]

On Fri, 2 May 2014 14:45:01 -0600 Paul E Condon sent:

I case it hasn't been fixed at the source and you missed it Paul. Ralf
put it right for me, but my system was more damaged than yours for some
reason?Probably my system was a little too lean and mean. So I had to
install:

libgdk-pixbuf2.0-dev

And then run this command:

gdk-pixbuf-query-loaders --update-cache

But you may not need to do this to get sound working. It may be a
last resort sort of fix?

Be well,
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[Tom H]

On Fri, May 2, 2014 at 7:48 PM, Charlie <arie...@ipstarmail.com.au> wrote:
>
> I case it hasn't been fixed at the source and you missed it Paul. Ralf
> put it right for me, but my system was more damaged than yours for some

> reason? Probably my system was a little too lean and mean. So I had to

> install:
>
> libgdk-pixbuf2.0-dev
>
> And then run this command:
>
> gdk-pixbuf-query-loaders --update-cache

You don't need to install the -dev package. You just need to use the
full "/usr/lib/" path when running the command.

The failure in the error message:
(gtk-update-icon-cache:28805): GdkPixbuf-WARNING **: Cannot open pixbuf
loader module file
'/usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/gdk-pixbuf-2.0/2.10.0/loaders.cache': No such
file or directory

And the message:
Try running the command
gdk-pixbuf-query-loaders >
/usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/gdk-pixbuf-2.0/2.10.0/loaders.cache
to make things work again for the time being.

are unrelated.

The latter just needs to say:
Try running the command
/usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/gdk-pixbuf-2.0/gdk-pixbuf-query-loaders > \
/usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/gdk-pixbuf-2.0/2.10.0/loaders.cache
to make things work again for the time being.

But that won't resolve the actual error.

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[Charlie]

On Sat, 3 May 2014 01:12:23 -0400 Tom H sent:

> And the message:
> Try running the command
> gdk-pixbuf-query-loaders >
> /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/gdk-pixbuf-2.0/2.10.0/loaders.cache
> to make things work again for the time being.

That's what I did:

gdk-pixbuf-query-loaders> /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/gdk-pixbuf-2.0/2.10.0/loaders.cache

What fuller path should I have used? I'm afraid I don't understand what
your saying? But that could just be me. I just checked my original
email in case I didn't run it right. But I copied it from my terminal
as it was presented there. So I'm not certain that I could have run in
more fuller with path. I think that was the path?

And the file, "loaders.cache" did exist but was empty.

I also tried other commands that Ralf suggested, but none of them
worked.

When running the full path later, I received a message something like:

su-: gdk-pixbuf-query-loaders not found on this system? or similar.

So I'd be pleased to have you tell me what would have been a more full
path to run so I know in the future.

Thanks.

Be well,
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[Ralf Mardorf]

On Sat, 2014-05-03 at 15:33 +1000, Charlie wrote:
> What fuller path should I have used?

I already pointed out that there are
https://packages.debian.org/search?suite=jessie&arch=any&mode=path&searchon=contents&keywords=gdk-pixbuf-query-loaders

Among others libgdk-pixbuf2.0-0 [i386] and [amd64] have the executable
in /usr/lib/, while /usr/lib/ usually isn't in $PATH. The devel package
does provide the executable in /usr/bin/, which usually is in $PATH.

To run the command in an directory that isn't in $PATH you need to use
the complete path.

There's no need to run
sudo /usr/bin/gdk-pixbuf-query-loaders --update-cache
this can be replaced by
sudo gdk-pixbuf-query-loaders --update-cache
but if the executable is in /usr/lib/ you need to run
sudo /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/gdk-pixbuf-2.0/gdk-pixbuf-query-loaders --update-cache
resp.
sudo /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/gdk-pixbuf-2.0/gdk-pixbuf-query-loaders --update-cache
with the full path.

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[Tom H]

On Sat, May 3, 2014 at 1:33 AM, Charlie <arie...@ipstarmail.com.au> wrote:
> On Sat, 3 May 2014 01:12:23 -0400 Tom H sent:
>
>> And the message:
>> Try running the command
>> gdk-pixbuf-query-loaders >
>> /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/gdk-pixbuf-2.0/2.10.0/loaders.cache
>> to make things work again for the time being.
>
> That's what I did:
>
> gdk-pixbuf-query-loaders> /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/gdk-pixbuf-2.0/2.10.0/loaders.cache

For x86_32:
/usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/gdk-pixbuf-2.0/gdk-pixbuf-query-loaders >
/usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/gdk-pixbuf-2.0/2.10.0/loaders.cache

For x86_64:
/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/gdk-pixbuf-2.0/gdk-pixbuf-query-loaders >
/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/gdk-pixbuf-2.0/2.10.0/loaders.cache

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[Ralf Mardorf]

On Sat, 2014-05-03 at 02:02 -0400, Tom H wrote:
> On Sat, May 3, 2014 at 1:33 AM, Charlie <arie...@ipstarmail.com.au> wrote:
> > On Sat, 3 May 2014 01:12:23 -0400 Tom H sent:
> >
> >> And the message:
> >> Try running the command
> >> gdk-pixbuf-query-loaders >
> >> /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/gdk-pixbuf-2.0/2.10.0/loaders.cache
> >> to make things work again for the time being.
> >
> > That's what I did:
> >
> > gdk-pixbuf-query-loaders> /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/gdk-pixbuf-2.0/2.10.0/loaders.cache
>
> For x86_32:
> /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/gdk-pixbuf-2.0/gdk-pixbuf-query-loaders >
> /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/gdk-pixbuf-2.0/2.10.0/loaders.cache
>
> For x86_64:
> /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/gdk-pixbuf-2.0/gdk-pixbuf-query-loaders >
> /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/gdk-pixbuf-2.0/2.10.0/loaders.cache

>From the manual page:

"SYNOPSIS
gdk-pixbuf-query-loaders [--update-cache] [MODULE...]

DESCRIPTION
gdk-pixbuf-query-loaders collects information about loadable
modules for gdk-pixbuf and writes it to the default cache file
location, or to stdout."

So "> /usr/lib/*-linux-gnu/gdk-pixbuf-2.0/2.10.0/loaders.cache"
likely can be replaced by "--update-cache", since I guess those
locations are the default cache.

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[Chris Bannister]

On Fri, May 02, 2014 at 07:48:45AM +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> On Thu, 2014-05-01 at 22:56 -0400, The Wanderer wrote:
> > On 05/01/2014 02:37 PM, Selim T. Erdogan wrote:
> >
> > > At the time, I didn't check to see if the file
> > > /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/gdk-pixbuf-2.0/2.10.0/loaders.cache
> > > existed. I also didn't run the command
> > > gdk-pixbuf-query-loaders > /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/gdk-pixbuf-2.0/2.10.0/loaders.cache
> > > However, I checked just now and that file exists, with a non-zero size.
> >
> > I've seen this several times myself.
> >
> > My experience seems to suggest that during the course of upgrading some
> > packages, this 'loaders.cache' file temporarily does not exist, and
> > later in the process this command gets automatically run and the file
> > re-created. At some point in the middle, however, something which
> > expects the file to exist gets run, and when it doesn't find the file,
> > that error gets printed.
> >
> > IOW, as long as the file exists after the apt-get or dpkg run has
> > completed (which it always has in my experience), this appears to be a
> > false-positive warning.
>
> It was an issue for the OP. It's disputable if somebody who can't solve
> such an issue on her/his own, should use testing, instead of stable.

The issue is not whether one can solve it, but whether one should have
to. I don't even use GNOME, so shouldn't even see the
message. It gave the impression that your system would be horribly
broken if you didn't run the command, and yet the command doesn't even
exist on your system!

This goes against the grain of having a system that just works. On one
hand you have the DIY NetBSD style where this style of information is
acceptable, while on the other hand you have a system with systemd,
pulseaudio, GNOME, where the user can be a newbie and not have to worry
about all that.

It's like two 'opposing camps' trying to live under the one roof.

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[Charlie]

On Sat, 3 May 2014 02:02:49 -0400 Tom H sent:

> On Sat, May 3, 2014 at 1:33 AM, Charlie <arie...@ipstarmail.com.au>
> wrote:
> > On Sat, 3 May 2014 01:12:23 -0400 Tom H sent:
> >
> >> And the message:
> >> Try running the command
> >> gdk-pixbuf-query-loaders >
> >> /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/gdk-pixbuf-2.0/2.10.0/loaders.cache
> >> to make things work again for the time being.
> >
> > That's what I did:
> >
> > gdk-pixbuf-query-loaders> /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/gdk-pixbuf-2.0/2.10.0/loaders.cache
>
> For x86_32:
> /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/gdk-pixbuf-2.0/gdk-pixbuf-query-loaders >
> /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/gdk-pixbuf-2.0/2.10.0/loaders.cache
>
> For x86_64:
> /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/gdk-pixbuf-2.0/gdk-pixbuf-query-loaders >
> /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/gdk-pixbuf-2.0/2.10.0/loaders.cache

Thank you, now I understand. So I could get rid of, purge
libgdk-pixbuf2.0-dev

and run that command and it would work?

I'll try it.

Thanks again.

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[Charlie]

On Sat, 3 May 2014 02:02:49 -0400 Tom H sent:

> On Sat, May 3, 2014 at 1:33 AM, Charlie <arie...@ipstarmail.com.au>
> wrote:
> > On Sat, 3 May 2014 01:12:23 -0400 Tom H sent:
> >
> >> And the message:
> >> Try running the command
> >> gdk-pixbuf-query-loaders >
> >> /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/gdk-pixbuf-2.0/2.10.0/loaders.cache
> >> to make things work again for the time being.
> >
> > That's what I did:
> >
> > gdk-pixbuf-query-loaders> /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/gdk-pixbuf-2.0/2.10.0/loaders.cache
>
> For x86_32:
> /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/gdk-pixbuf-2.0/gdk-pixbuf-query-loaders >
> /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/gdk-pixbuf-2.0/2.10.0/loaders.cache
>
> For x86_64:
> /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/gdk-pixbuf-2.0/gdk-pixbuf-query-loaders >
> /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/gdk-pixbuf-2.0/2.10.0/loaders.cache

Firstly purged: libgdk-pixbuf2.0-dev

Then removed:
/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/gdk-pixbuf-2.0/2.10.0/loaders.cache

and replaced it with a loaders.cache empty file in that directory as
was the case when I hit the wall.

Rebooted and discovered that my system wasn't quite as damaged as it
was in the first instance. Claws-mail actually worked gkrellm wasn't
there and couldn't be brought up though as previously and icons had a
red "x" in a black outline as previously.

I then ran as root:

/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/gdk-pixbuf-2.0/gdk-pixbuf-query-loaders> /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/gdk-pixbuf-2.0/2.10.0/loaders.cache

And rebooted.

The loaders.cache file was 4573, is that bytes? Whereas the former on
was 4572 bytes or whatever it is.

So it worked a treat, and thank you Tom, you allowed me to get rid of a
lot of "dev stuff" I didn't need on my system.

However, I am still grateful to Ralf, as he got me up and running
quickly and my system was almost but not quite a basket case when he
did that.

Thanks again to you both,

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[Charlie]

On Sat, 3 May 2014 18:25:59 +1200 Chris Bannister sent:

> The issue is not whether one can solve it, but whether one should have
> to. I don't even use GNOME, so shouldn't even see the
> message.

I don't use gnome, my prejudice is that I have never liked it on my
desktop, but do like some of its apps.

I think gedit is a gnome app, so I maybe that set into the path of
something like this problem?

I now use Xfce and prior to that, fvwm.

Be well,

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[Ralf Mardorf]

On Sat, 2014-05-03 at 17:25 +1000, Charlie wrote:
> I don't use gnome, my prejudice is that I have never liked it on my
> desktop, but do like some of its apps.
>
> I think gedit is a gnome app, so I maybe that set into the path of
> something like this problem?

Are you sure you still like the current stable release 3.12.1 from
upstream?

3.12.1 is available by the Debian repositories too, for jessie (testing)
and sid (unstable).

I guess you like this design:
https://screenshots.debian.net/screenshots/g/gedit/10397_large.png

But most GNOME apps and Firefox/Iceweasel too, nowadays come with this
design:
https://screenshots.debian.net/screenshots/g/gedit/10629_large.png

You should consider to use Pluma (it's quasi Gedit), Sublime Text or
Kate in the future.

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[Ralf Mardorf]

On Sat, 2014-05-03 at 17:19 +1000, Charlie wrote:
> The loaders.cache file was 4573, is that bytes? Whereas the former on
> was 4572 bytes or whatever it is.

ls -l does show bytes ls -hl does convert to better readable values.

One byte more likely is a space-sign more. Perhaps the 4572 bytes were
generated by --update-cache and one byte more, when you redirected
stdout.

You are aware that the ">" does redirect the standard output?

Try this:

[rocketmouse@archlinux Desktop]$ touch 1.txt 2.txt
[rocketmouse@archlinux Desktop]$ ls
1.txt 2.txt
[rocketmouse@archlinux Desktop]$ ls > 3.txt
[rocketmouse@archlinux Desktop]$ ls
1.txt 2.txt 3.txt
[rocketmouse@archlinux Desktop]$ cat 3.txt
1.txt
2.txt
3.txt

So when you used --update-cache the executable generated the file
directly, while ">" redirected the output and a space or whatever at the
beginning or end might cause one byte more.

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[Lisi Reisz]

On Friday 02 May 2014 21:45:01 Paul E Condon wrote:
> But, so far, Jessie is functioning no worse than Wheezy
> for me. Except that I have no sound where I did definitely have sound
> with Wheezy. Oh well...

I had that happen from Squeeze to Wheezy. The "problem" was in the mixer
settings.

Lisi

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[Andrei POPESCU]

On Sb, 03 mai 14, 18:25:59, Chris Bannister wrote:
> On Fri, May 02, 2014 at 07:48:45AM +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> >
> > It was an issue for the OP. It's disputable if somebody who can't solve
> > such an issue on her/his own, should use testing, instead of stable.
>
> The issue is not whether one can solve it, but whether one should have
> to. I don't even use GNOME, so shouldn't even see the
> message. It gave the impression that your system would be horribly
> broken if you didn't run the command, and yet the command doesn't even
> exist on your system!
>
> This goes against the grain of having a system that just works. On one
> hand you have the DIY NetBSD style where this style of information is
> acceptable, while on the other hand you have a system with systemd,
> pulseaudio, GNOME, where the user can be a newbie and not have to worry
> about all that.
>
> It's like two 'opposing camps' trying to live under the one roof.

I don't think this is entirely fair, this is about testing after all,
not stable.

Kind regards,
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[Ralf Mardorf]

On Sat, 2014-05-03 at 10:00 +0100, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> On Friday 02 May 2014 21:45:01 Paul E Condon wrote:
> > But, so far, Jessie is functioning no worse than Wheezy
> > for me. Except that I have no sound where I did definitely have sound
> > with Wheezy. Oh well...
>
> I had that happen from Squeeze to Wheezy. The "problem" was in the mixer
> settings.

IOW some alsa settings were reset, it wasn't a pulseaudio issue IIRC?
That by the way is too funny, for Linux pro-audio you likely experience
uncountable many issues, but pro-audio cards are used every day by
adjusting mixer settings, no pro-audio user will run into issues for
desktop sound, because some alsa mixer settings were reset. For RME
cards, the default startup alsamixer settings anyway are irrelevant.

The bloated-DE-fans should fix this, or simply drop that trash and
recommend the Linux pro-audio-style, for averaged desktop sound too.
Pro-audio isn't rocket science, but seemingly averaged desktop audio is
harder than rocket science.

Sorry, I couldn't resist.

Regards,
Not by Ralf, by somebody how hacked Ralf's account

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[Ralf Mardorf]

On Sat, 2014-05-03 at 12:06 +0300, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> On Sb, 03 mai 14, 18:25:59, Chris Bannister wrote:
> > On Fri, May 02, 2014 at 07:48:45AM +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> > >
> > > It was an issue for the OP. It's disputable if somebody who can't solve
> > > such an issue on her/his own, should use testing, instead of stable.

> > [chris I like you, but I anyway snip your reply]

> I don't think this is entirely fair, this is about testing after all,

I completely agree with Andrei here.

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[Tom H]

On Sat, May 3, 2014 at 2:41 AM, Charlie <arie...@ipstarmail.com.au> wrote:
> On Sat, 3 May 2014 02:02:49 -0400 Tom H sent:
>>

>> For x86_32:
>> /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/gdk-pixbuf-2.0/gdk-pixbuf-query-loaders >
>> /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/gdk-pixbuf-2.0/2.10.0/loaders.cache
>>
>> For x86_64:
>> /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/gdk-pixbuf-2.0/gdk-pixbuf-query-loaders >
>> /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/gdk-pixbuf-2.0/2.10.0/loaders.cache
>
> Thank you, now I understand. So I could get rid of, purge
> libgdk-pixbuf2.0-dev
>
> and run that command and it would work?

You're welcome. And yes.

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[Tom H]

On Sat, May 3, 2014 at 2:13 AM, Ralf Mardorf <ralf.m...@alice-dsl.net> wrote:
> On Sat, 2014-05-03 at 02:02 -0400, Tom H wrote:
>>
>> For x86_32:
>> /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/gdk-pixbuf-2.0/gdk-pixbuf-query-loaders >
>> /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/gdk-pixbuf-2.0/2.10.0/loaders.cache
>>
>> For x86_64:
>> /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/gdk-pixbuf-2.0/gdk-pixbuf-query-loaders >
>> /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/gdk-pixbuf-2.0/2.10.0/loaders.cache
>
> From the manual page:
>
> "SYNOPSIS
> gdk-pixbuf-query-loaders [--update-cache] [MODULE...]
>
> DESCRIPTION
> gdk-pixbuf-query-loaders collects information about loadable
> modules for gdk-pixbuf and writes it to the default cache file
> location, or to stdout."
>
> So "> /usr/lib/*-linux-gnu/gdk-pixbuf-2.0/2.10.0/loaders.cache"
> likely can be replaced by "--update-cache", since I guess those
> locations are the default cache.

You're right but the command with ">" are from the postint.

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[Tom H]

It's the wrong impression. I've seen this message often and I no
longer bother running the query loader line - and unity and
gnome-shell still function properly.

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[Chris Bannister]

On Sat, May 03, 2014 at 12:06:21PM +0300, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> On Sb, 03 mai 14, 18:25:59, Chris Bannister wrote:
> > On Fri, May 02, 2014 at 07:48:45AM +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> > >
> > > It was an issue for the OP. It's disputable if somebody who can't solve
> > > such an issue on her/his own, should use testing, instead of stable.
> >
> > The issue is not whether one can solve it, but whether one should have
> > to. I don't even use GNOME, so shouldn't even see the
> > message. It gave the impression that your system would be horribly
> > broken if you didn't run the command, and yet the command doesn't even
> > exist on your system!
> >
> > This goes against the grain of having a system that just works. On one
> > hand you have the DIY NetBSD style where this style of information is
> > acceptable, while on the other hand you have a system with systemd,
> > pulseaudio, GNOME, where the user can be a newbie and not have to worry
> > about all that.
> >
> > It's like two 'opposing camps' trying to live under the one roof.
>
> I don't think this is entirely fair, this is about testing after all,
> not stable.

Yeah, OK, I retract the last two paragraphs.

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[Curt]

On 2014-05-03, Chris Bannister <cbann...@slingshot.co.nz> wrote:
>
> Yeah, OK, I retract the last two paragraphs.
>

Retraction is against list rules; you may, however, attempt to amend
what you have posted previously, or simply beg forgiveness.

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