Hate mail from Debian people
Erin Brinkley
politely TALKING ABOUT DEBIAN on the debian-user list.
I don't know where you get your communications and people skills,
Keshwarsingh Nadan, but if I were you I would take them back! For a full
refund!
Telling a Debian user that she should get lost because her view is
different than yours is pretty stone age, sorry. And I do NOT appreciate
it. I think YOU are the person who should move on. Like scram.
--- On Mon, 2/14/11, k...@debian.mu <k...@debian.mu> wrote:
> From: k...@debian.mu <k...@debian.mu>
> Subject: Re: New policies?
> To: "Erin Brinkley" <erinbr...@ymail.com>, debia...@lists.debian.org
> Date: Monday, February 14, 2011, 6:53 PM
> Why would you love to "upgrade
> software incrementally all the time"??
>
> Its stable/tested, CERTIFIEd to work fine, that's all..
>
> Move to another distro like fedora if you love to "upgrade
> software incrementally all the time".
>
> kn
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>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Erin Brinkley <erinbr...@ymail.com>
> Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2011 10:32:20
> To: <debia...@lists.debian.org>
> Subject: Re: New policies?
>
> "Hans-J. Ullrich" <hans.u...@loop.de>
> wrote:
>
> > I will be pleased if my suggestion is worth to start a
> discussion of it.
>
> Great suggestion! Couldn't have said it better myself! Not
> even close!
>
> One thing I would like to add is that when Debian has a
> major upgrade, it
> should ALWAYS keep your config files. I know that it asks
> whether you want
> to install the new maintainer version or keep your old, but
> this is always
> a headache. I think the best answer is to merge the new
> features/options
> with the current existing user's version. Because whenever
> I choose to go
> with the new, I might get new options but all my
> customizations are gone
> and I have to go find the old config and figure it all out
> from scratch.
> If I just keep the old, then I loose all the new options
> and this
> sometimes breaks things too. It's probably the #1 user
> problem when
> upgrading.
>
> Also, for work systems I always just use stable. I don't
> need the newest
> version if it means something might break. But I do feel
> like things are
> getting harder to keep up, like maybe "stable" is getting
> too old. It
> would be nice as you say to upgrade some of the big
> packages slowly,
> somehow, without breaking 100 other dependencies. But I
> would personally
> LOVE it if from now on Debian "stable" were just an
> incremental upgrade.
>
> No more Toy Story names, but you just pick stable or
> unstable or testing
> or experimental, and then upgrades happen incrementally,
> slowly, every day
> or every week instead of every year or year and a half you
> have this huge
> upgrade that breaks everything and causes mass chaos for
> about a week. (I
> went from 5.0 to 6.0 last week and am still picking up the
> pieces all over
> the place...)
>
> Is something like this doable / desirable or do we have to
> just wait every
> year or so and then do a major upgrade? Like I said I would
> SO prefer to
> just upgrade software incrementally all the time. It would
> reduce user
> headaches plus it would keep Debian much more up to date.
>
> Erin
>
>
>
>
>
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Eduardo M KALINOWSKI
> I don't appreciate getting hate mail from people simply because I was
> politely TALKING ABOUT DEBIAN on the debian-user list.
>
> I don't know where you get your communications and people skills,
> Keshwarsingh Nadan, but if I were you I would take them back! For a full
> refund!
>
> Telling a Debian user that she should get lost because her view is
> different than yours is pretty stone age, sorry. And I do NOT appreciate
> it. I think YOU are the person who should move on. Like scram.
I did not see anyone telling anyone to "get lost" or any other thing
that could be classified as hate mail. The reply was brief and to the
point and had a strong opinion, but that's not hate mail.
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on this list and also because of the limitations of written
communication some things may come across wrongly.
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Freeman
> On 02/14/2011 04:59 PM, Erin Brinkley wrote:
> >I don't appreciate getting hate mail from people simply because I was
> >politely TALKING ABOUT DEBIAN on the debian-user list.
> >
> >I don't know where you get your communications and people skills,
> >Keshwarsingh Nadan, but if I were you I would take them back! For a full
> >refund!
> >
> >Telling a Debian user that she should get lost because her view is
> >different than yours is pretty stone age, sorry. And I do NOT appreciate
> >it. I think YOU are the person who should move on. Like scram.
>
> I did not see anyone telling anyone to "get lost" or any other thing
> that could be classified as hate mail. The reply was brief and to
> the point and had a strong opinion, but that's not hate mail.
>
That seems right.
However a copy was sent directly to Erin Brinkley.
That violates both general list netiquette and this list's code of conduct.
http://www.debian.org/MailingLists/#codeofconduct
I can see how it could be interpreted as more "personal."
However, the code of conduct requires complaints about such emails to be
made privately.
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Cybe R. Wizard
Erin Brinkley <erinbr...@ymail.com> wrote:
> I don't appreciate getting hate mail from people simply because I was
> politely TALKING ABOUT DEBIAN on the debian-user list.
>
> I don't know where you get your communications and people skills,
> Keshwarsingh Nadan, but if I were you I would take them back! For a
> full refund!
>
> Telling a Debian user that she should get lost because her view is
> different than yours is pretty stone age, sorry. And I do NOT
> appreciate it. I think YOU are the person who should move on. Like
> scram.
Ease up! He only suggested using a distro that /already/ updates
incrementally if that is what you desire. That is help, not hate.
...a bit brusque, perhaps, but definitely not hateful.
Cybe R. Wizard
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Sven Joachim
> I don't appreciate getting hate mail from people simply because I was
> politely TALKING ABOUT DEBIAN on the debian-user list.
That was hardly a "hate mail", though rather uninformed (for incremental
upgrades you don't have to move to other distros, testing and unstable
have that).
> I don't know where you get your communications and people skills,
> Keshwarsingh Nadan, but if I were you I would take them back! For a full
> refund!
And not from "Debian people" either, since Keshwarsingh Nadan only
speaks for him/herself; that he/she owns a domain which has "debian" in
its name does not mean anything.
Sven
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Keshwarsingh Nadan
Camaleón
(...)
> Telling a Debian user that she should get lost because her view is
> different than yours is pretty stone age, sorry. And I do NOT appreciate
> it. I think YOU are the person who should move on. Like scram.
Don't take it as that. I wouldn't.
Many Debian users have strong feelings about the distribuion and the way
it should follow and as such, you'll find energic opinions on the matter.
But that doesn't mean that you can't dialogue with them and show what are
your own preferences. Linux feeds from many kind of different sources
that make it like it is. And last but not least, do not expect everyone
agrees with your opinions ;-)
Greetings,
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