Debian 11 bullseye - will it work on 12th gen core i3-12100?

[R. Ramesh]

Hi,

  My age old intel NUC with pentium N3700 is sick and needs
replacement. I am interested in building one based on core i3-12100 cpu.
It has intel UHD 730 per my quick check. Is this CPU/GPU combo fully
supported in debian 11/bullseye? I am looking to run the current setup
as is on new hardware (simply swap the disk from NUC to new build)

Debian 11 bullseye with default kernel/packages for most part.
Grup_pc legacy BIOS boot.
X org with intel driver (I think) that is currently running on Pentium
N3700/NUC.
mythtv 31/fixes from debian multimedia (I think)

Do you see any issues I should take care of before transfering the disk
to the new system when I build. Let me know if I should go for older
hardware to avoid any hiccups.

Regards
Ramesh

[Andrew M.A. Cater]

Do you _really_ need to swap the current disk? If not: put a new disk into
new hardware and you only have to copy data over. Ideally NVME or something
fast.

You may find some use for the old NUC: the only reason I say this particularly
is because you installed with BIOS boot and changing that may be as much
trouble as a new install.

mythtv - debian-multimedia - yours to sort out, I think, but again, you
may find it easier to have a spare machine that (sort of) works while you
debug the new NUC

Hope this helps - with every good wish, as ever,

Andy Cater

[Georgi Naplatanov]

Hi Ramesh,

Debian 11 was released almost 1 year ago. For new hardware you will need
Debian testing. For Debian 11 (current stable) you'll need second hand
hardware.

Kind regards
Georgi

[Ram Ramesh]

> Do you _really_ need to swap the current disk? If not: put a new disk into
> new hardware and you only have to copy data over. Ideally NVME or something
> fast.
>
> You may find some use for the old NUC: the only reason I say this particularly
> is because you installed with BIOS boot and changing that may be as much
> trouble as a new install.
>
> mythtv - debian-multimedia - yours to sort out, I think, but again, you
> may find it easier to have a spare machine that (sort of) works while you
> debug the new NUC
>
> Hope this helps - with every good wish, as ever,
>
> Andy Cater

Andy,

  My question is about compatibility of running debian bullseye on
latest hardware. When I tried 10th gen core-i3 with buster,  xorg did
not work as it needed Linux 5.xx over the default 4.x on buster (at that
time). I want to know if such a thing exists with 12th gen CPU.

  Another question is with legacy boot. I did think about swapping disk
out. Suppose I fresh install UEFI bullseye, can I simply add a new
partition and copy over old install and update-grub from fresh install
to add the old system to menu? Will it boot old copy as is or do I have
to convert that in to full UEFI meaning change grub_pc to grub_efi in
the old install?

  I could start with copy of old system with new/fresh UEFI install as
that will pick up the old system, if such a cross combo will work.

Regards
Ramesh

[Felix Miata]

R. Ramesh composed on 2022-04-25 10:46 (UTC-0500):

>   My age old intel NUC with pentium N3700 is sick and needs

What kind of "sick"? Not repairable?

> replacement. I am interested in building one based on core i3-12100 cpu.
> It has intel UHD 730 per my quick check. Is this CPU/GPU combo fully
> supported in debian 11/bullseye? I am looking to run the current setup
> as is on new hardware (simply swap the disk from NUC to new build)

The i3-12100 was released Q1'22, roughly 2 months ago. You might need a backport
kernel, 5.16 or 5.17, to be able to use it in Bullseye. However, UHD 730 became
available a year earlier, so should be supported by Bullseye's own kernel.
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[Ram Ramesh]

> Hi Ramesh,
>
> Debian 11 was released almost 1 year ago. For new hardware you will need
> Debian testing. For Debian 11 (current stable) you'll need second hand
> hardware.
>
> Kind regards
> Georgi

Gorgi,

  Are you guessing or know this for a fact? What is second hand
hardware? 11th gen or 10th gen intel?

  Sorry I am asking more questions. Thanks for your time. Please answer
if you can.

Regards
Ramesh

[Ram Ramesh]

> >   My age old intel NUC with pentium N3700 is sick and needs
>
> What kind of "sick"? Not repairable?
>

It randomly freezes and had to be hard rebooted.  Tried replacing power
supply and RAM and disk (all other are part of the NUC box), but that
did not work. Ran various diagnostics that I can get hold of and no
issue. If I do not use it/idle, it will not freeze for days.

Regards
Ramesh

[Dan Ritter]

Since you've been inside the box, I expect you cleaned all the
dust out -- but is there any chance that the CPU fan has frozen
or is otherwise impeded?

This really sounds like an overheating problem.

-dsr-

[Ram Ramesh]

Earlier, I had not opened enuf to inspect heat sinks/fan. Today I did
that and it kind of looked dirty. I cleaned and made sure fan spun
readily. I did not take apart the heatsink to check the thermal paste.
That looked too risky.  Similarly, I did not check if the fan actually
runs visually. There is some noise and mild airflow when I turn on. So,
it should be working.

After all this cleaning, the situation is the same. It dies randomly if
I do something (like pause on some video) Only hard boot will work. So,
not sure what kind of sickness it has. So, may be it is telling me to
replace. Since syslog has nothing, I assume it is not something kernel
can catch.

Regards
Ramesh

[Christian Britz]

On 2022-04-25 19:16 UTC+0200, Georgi Naplatanov wrote:

> Debian 11 was released almost 1 year ago. For new hardware you will need
> Debian testing. For Debian 11 (current stable) you'll need second hand
> hardware.

Or a kernel from backports. There was a discussion on this list recently
about how to integrate a backported kernel into the installer. I did not
try it out though.

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