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Muhammad Yousuf Khan

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Dec 17, 2012, 6:20:02 AM12/17/12
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is there any tool equivalent to yast in Debian?

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Jon Dowland

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On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 04:17:56PM +0500, Muhammad Yousuf Khan wrote:
> is there any tool equivalent to yast in Debian?

For those of us unfamiliar with what Yast is or does now, can you
explain the particular features you are looking for?


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Muhammad Yousuf Khan

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On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 4:18 PM, Jon Dowland <jm...@debian.org> wrote:
> On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 04:17:56PM +0500, Muhammad Yousuf Khan wrote:
>> is there any tool equivalent to yast in Debian?
>
> For those of us unfamiliar with what Yast is or does now, can you
> explain the particular features you are looking for?

SUSE administration tool. instead of x server, admins can use a
pseudo-graphical user interface to manage the server. for more details
please read.

https://doc.opensuse.org/documentation/html/openSUSE_114/opensuse-reference/cha.yast.text.html





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Ralf Mardorf

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On Mon, 2012-12-17 at 11:18 +0000, Jon Dowland wrote:
> On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 04:17:56PM +0500, Muhammad Yousuf Khan wrote:
> > is there any tool equivalent to yast in Debian?
>
> For those of us unfamiliar with what Yast is or does now, can you
> explain the particular features you are looking for?

And do you want ncurses or a GUI?

For installing and uninstalling software by using a GUI you e.g. can use
Synaptic.

If you want to reconfigure something by ncurses, dpkg-reconfigure <e.g.
keyboard-configuration>.



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Davide Mirtillo

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Il 17/12/2012 12:57, Muhammad Yousuf Khan ha scritto:
> On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 4:18 PM, Jon Dowland <jm...@debian.org> wrote:
>> On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 04:17:56PM +0500, Muhammad Yousuf Khan wrote:
>>> is there any tool equivalent to yast in Debian?
>>
>> For those of us unfamiliar with what Yast is or does now, can you
>> explain the particular features you are looking for?
>
> SUSE administration tool. instead of x server, admins can use a
> pseudo-graphical user interface to manage the server. for more details
> please read.
>
> https://doc.opensuse.org/documentation/html/openSUSE_114/opensuse-reference/cha.yast.text.html
>

What about aptitude?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aptitude_(software)

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Ralf Mardorf

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On Mon, 2012-12-17 at 16:57 +0500, Muhammad Yousuf Khan wrote:
> instead of x server, admins can use a pseudo-graphical user interface
> to manage the server.

"pseudo-graphical" does mean "ncurses",
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ncurses , then you should take a look at
"dpkg-reconfigure", as I've wrtten in a previous mail, e.g.

dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration


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Ralf Mardorf

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On Mon, 2012-12-17 at 15:26 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> On Mon, 2012-12-17 at 16:57 +0500, Muhammad Yousuf Khan wrote:
> > instead of x server, admins can use a pseudo-graphical user interface
> > to manage the server.
>
> "pseudo-graphical" does mean "ncurses",
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ncurses , then you should take a look at
> "dpkg-reconfigure", as I've wrtten in a previous mail, e.g.
>
> dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration

PS: You could write a simple bash script (even without knowledge how to
write scripts, it can be learned on the fly).

There are several ncurses based apps to configure your server.

A script could ask for what to do? E.g.

1. Keyboard
2. Network
3. Quit

1. e.g. will run dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration
2. perhaps could run pppoeonf
3. simply would be exit 0.



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Kelly Clowers

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On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 6:11 AM, Davide Mirtillo <dav...@ser-tec.org> wrote:
> Il 17/12/2012 12:57, Muhammad Yousuf Khan ha scritto:
>> On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 4:18 PM, Jon Dowland <jm...@debian.org> wrote:
>>> On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 04:17:56PM +0500, Muhammad Yousuf Khan wrote:
>>>> is there any tool equivalent to yast in Debian?
>>>
>>> For those of us unfamiliar with what Yast is or does now, can you
>>> explain the particular features you are looking for?
>>
>> SUSE administration tool. instead of x server, admins can use a
>> pseudo-graphical user interface to manage the server. for more details
>> please read.
>>
>> https://doc.opensuse.org/documentation/html/openSUSE_114/opensuse-reference/cha.yast.text.html
>>
>
> What about aptitude?
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aptitude_(software)


Aptitude is nice, but it only does one fraction of what YAST does.

I am not sure of the full extent of YAST, but besides
installation/removal of software, it does at least account management,
service management/configuration (DNS, mail, etc) and firewall
configuration. It a bit like Webmin or AIX's SMIT (YAST has a TUI mode
and a GUI mode like SMIT/SMITTY; no web interface). I do not know of
anything like it in Debian since webmin was removed.

Cheers,
Kelly Clowers


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John Hasler

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Dec 17, 2012, 12:30:01 PM12/17/12
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Kelly writes:
> I am not sure of the full extent of YAST, but besides
> installation/removal of software, it does at least account management,
> service management/configuration (DNS, mail, etc) and firewall
> configuration.

That should not be all in one program.
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Mark Allums

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Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 6:11 AM, Davide Mirtillo <dav...@ser-tec.org> wrote:
>> Il 17/12/2012 12:57, Muhammad Yousuf Khan ha scritto:
>>> On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 4:18 PM, Jon Dowland <jm...@debian.org> wrote:
>>>> On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 04:17:56PM +0500, Muhammad Yousuf Khan wrote:
>>>>> is there any tool equivalent to yast in Debian?
>>>>
>>>> For those of us unfamiliar with what Yast is or does now, can you
>>>> explain the particular features you are looking for?
>>>
>>> SUSE administration tool. instead of x server, admins can use a
>>> pseudo-graphical user interface to manage the server. for more
>>> details please read.
>>>
>>> https://doc.opensuse.org/documentation/html/openSUSE_114/opensuse-ref
>>> erence/cha.yast.text.html
>>>
>>
>> What about aptitude?
>>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aptitude_(software)

>
>Aptitude is nice, but it only does one fraction of what YAST does.

>I am not sure of the full extent of YAST, but besides installation/removal of software, it does at least account management, >service management/configuration (DNS, mail, etc) and firewall configuration. It a bit like Webmin or AIX's SMIT (YAST has a >TUI mode and a GUI mode like SMIT/SMITTY; no web interface). I do not know of anything like it in Debian since webmin >was removed.
>
>Cheers,
>Kelly Clowers


The majority of Debian maintainers are aware of the existence of Yast. I expect that if interest in it was that high, they would have long ago adapted it for Debian. Since they haven't, I assume that interest in it is not that high.



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David Guntner

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Dec 17, 2012, 1:10:02 PM12/17/12
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Kelly Clowers grabbed a keyboard and wrote:
> Aptitude is nice, but it only does one fraction of what YAST does.
>
> I am not sure of the full extent of YAST, but besides
> installation/removal of software, it does at least account management,
> service management/configuration (DNS, mail, etc) and firewall
> configuration. It a bit like Webmin or AIX's SMIT (YAST has a TUI mode
> and a GUI mode like SMIT/SMITTY; no web interface). I do not know of
> anything like it in Debian since webmin was removed.

When exactly was webmin removed?

> $ aptitude show webmin
> Package: webmin
> New: yes
> State: installed
> Automatically installed: no
> Version: 1.610
> Priority: optional
> Section: admin
> Maintainer: Jamie Cameron <jcam...@webmin.com>
> Uncompressed Size: 133 M
> Depends: perl, libnet-ssleay-perl, openssl, libauthen-pam-perl, libpam-runtime, libio-pty-perl, apt-show-versions, python
> PreDepends: perl
> Replaces: webmin-adsl, webmin-apache, webmin-bandwidth, webmin-bind, webmin-burner, webmin-cfengine, webmin-cluster, webmin-core, webmin-cpan, webmin-dhcpd,
> webmin-exim, webmin-exports, webmin-fetchmail, webmin-firewall, webmin-freeswan, webmin-frox, webmin-fsdump, webmin-grub, webmin-heartbeat,
> webmin-htaccess, webmin-inetd, webmin-jabber, webmin-ldap-netgroups, webmin-ldap-user-simple, webmin-ldap-useradmin, webmin-lilo, webmin-logrotate,
> webmin-lpadmin, webmin-lvm, webmin-mailboxes, webmin-mon, webmin-mysql, webmin-nis, webmin-openslp, webmin-postfix, webmin-postgresql, webmin-ppp,
> webmin-pptp-client, webmin-pptp-server, webmin-procmail, webmin-proftpd, webmin-pserver, webmin-quota, webmin-samba, webmin-sarg, webmin-sendmail,
> webmin-shorewall, webmin-slbackup, webmin-smart-status, webmin-snort, webmin-software, webmin-spamassassin, webmin-squid, webmin-sshd, webmin-status,
> webmin-stunnel, webmin-updown, webmin-usermin, webmin-vgetty, webmin-webalizer, webmin-wuftpd, webmin-wvdial, webmin-xinetd
> Description: web-based administration interface for Unix systems
> Using Webmin you can configure DNS, Samba, NFS, local/remote filesystems
> and more using your web browser. After installation, enter the URL
> https://localhost:10000/ into your browser and login as root with your root
> password.

Seems to be there on my system (squeeze 6.0.6).... :-)

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David Guntner

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Dec 17, 2012, 1:20:02 PM12/17/12
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Scratch that, I think now that I vaguely remember that webmin *wasn't*
available via the normal Debian repositories. But it was so flipping
simple to just download the .deb package from webmin.com and install
that, that I forgot I had to go there to get it. :-) And, of course,
once it's installed in the system, of *course* aptitude is going to list
it on a "show" command.... <grin>

So it might not be in the Debian repositories (to which I have to find
myself asking the question, "Why on Earth would the maintainers not keep
such a valuable package available?"), but it's dirt easy to grab a .deb
package and install it.

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John Hasler

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--Dave writes:
> I have to find myself asking the question, "Why on Earth would the
> maintainers not keep such a valuable package available?"

<http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?archive=both;dist=unstable;package=webmin>
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Kelly Clowers

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On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 11:21 AM, John Hasler <jha...@newsguy.com> wrote:
> --Dave writes:
>> I have to find myself asking the question, "Why on Earth would the
>> maintainers not keep such a valuable package available?"
>
> <http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?archive=both;dist=unstable;package=webmin>

And specifically http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=343897

So it was yanked from unstable at the beginning of 2006 and then
propagated down normally, with Etch (2007) releasing without it.

Cheers,
Kelly Clowers


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Cybe R. Wizard

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On Mon, 17 Dec 2012 11:36:33 -0800
Kelly Clowers <kelly....@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 11:21 AM, John Hasler <jha...@newsguy.com>
> wrote:
> > --Dave writes:
> >> I have to find myself asking the question, "Why on Earth would the
> >> maintainers not keep such a valuable package available?"
> >
> > <http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?archive=both;dist=unstable;package=webmin>
>
> And specifically
> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=343897
>
> So it was yanked from unstable at the beginning of 2006 and then
> propagated down normally, with Etch (2007) releasing without it.
>
> Cheers,
> Kelly Clowers
>
It does seem to be in active development again (still?) and have a .deb
package:
<http://www.webmin.com/index.html>

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Hans-J. Ullrich

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Am Montag, 17. Dezember 2012 schrieb Muhammad Yousuf Khan:
> is there any tool equivalent to yast in Debian?
>
> Thanks

You might want to try "webmin" and/or "usermin". But it is no more in the
debian repositories. I guess, no debian-developer took a look at it for years.
They said at that time "it is bad coded, with spaghetti-code". But this was 5
years ago. Maybe the code is now better. But as I said: No one took a look at
it again, although I often have asked for it in the past.

To find it, use google, I think, www.webmin.org might be the site.

Good luck!

Hans




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Andrei POPESCU

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On Lu, 17 dec 12, 16:17:56, Muhammad Yousuf Khan wrote:
> is there any tool equivalent to yast in Debian?

Kids, don't try this at home:

dpkg-reconfigure --all

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Monte Milanuk

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On 12/17/2012 08:03 AM, Kelly Clowers wrote:
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> I am not sure of the full extent of YAST, but besides
> installation/removal of software, it does at least account management,
> service management/configuration (DNS, mail, etc) and firewall
> configuration. It a bit like Webmin or AIX's SMIT (YAST has a TUI mode
> and a GUI mode like SMIT/SMITTY; no web interface).

What about Web YaST?

http://webyast.github.com/webyast/


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Kelly Clowers

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On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 8:21 PM, Monte Milanuk <memi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 12/17/2012 08:03 AM, Kelly Clowers wrote:
>>
>>
>> I am not sure of the full extent of YAST, but besides
>> installation/removal of software, it does at least account management,
>> service management/configuration (DNS, mail, etc) and firewall
>> configuration. It a bit like Webmin or AIX's SMIT (YAST has a TUI mode
>> and a GUI mode like SMIT/SMITTY; no web interface).
>
>
> What about Web YaST?
>
> http://webyast.github.com/webyast/

Never heard of it before. Looks like a separate piece of software
though, not part of YAST. Thanks for the info though.

Cheers,
Kelly Clowers


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