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Debian 7 GNU/kFreeBSD Installation: Desktop Environment Default?
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Artur Conley
May 22, 2013, 1:40:02 PM5/22/13
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Hello! There's a bit of an issue with the Debian 7 GNU/kFreeBSD default desktop in the default installation. When I select any of the "default installation" options at the beginning of the installation the installer chooses XFCE desktop manager and desktop environment instead of the default Gnome installation and even on the KDE disc it does the same thing. It's installing XFCE instead of Gnome or KDE. Why is that? The documentation for Debian 7 GNU/kFreeBSD says that the default desktop is Gnome. What happened? Why are all the installation discs I find in the mirrors defaulting to XFCE? Where can I get a disc which defaults to Gnome or KDE? Even the disc labeled KDE version is defaulting to XFCE which is a minimalist desktop for people who don't really want a serious
desktop package. Who uses XFCE?(rhetorical question) This is very confusing. I like the GNU GPL license which comes with Debian but prefer the FreeBSD kernel over the Linux kernel. I appreciate the number of committers on the FreeBSD kernel project and the additional features it offers. Can you please help me get started with Debian GNU/kFreeBSD? With this latest installation attempt I decided to uncheck the desktop feature and the ssh feature and install only the base system and standard utilities. I have a command line interface but since I don't have a book available to me with a walk through on how to set up Gnome or KDE, I'm feeling a bit lost yet do feel like the GNU/kFreeBSD version of Debian is a step in a logical direction. I really don't like how the Linux kernel project is managed and prefer the GNU/kFreeBSD version of Debian because of my belief in egalitarianism. I realize that not all
people agree with me regarding social equality; however, I do prefer to transcend old world authoritarian culture. That said, the GNU/kFreeBSD version of Debian is almost like a dream come true for me. I've been looking for a project like this for a while now and it was there in small print for the past 2 years. I like that the Debian project offers people 3 kernels to choose from and prefer to learn more about how to set up a desktop computer using Debian GNU/kFreeBSD and want to know more about how I can get involved in the Debian community. Peace!
Artur Conley
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Ralf Mardorf
May 22, 2013, 2:40:03 PM5/22/13
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On Wed, 2013-05-22 at 10:15 -0700, Artur Conley wrote:
> What happened?
GNOME became a desktop environment that doesn't fit to the needs of many
Linux users anymore, it became very bloated and is intended for usage
with modern computers.
> Who uses XFCE?(rhetorical question)
I understand the issue, that if you use a media, that by default should
install KDE, but I'm uncertain if your question is really rhetorical,
resp. I assume you are not aware that many people today prefer Xfce
and/or LXDE for good reasons.
> I [...] prefer the FreeBSD kernel over the Linux kernel.
I see some advantages for the user space on FreeBSD installs, but IMO
Linux has got advantages over FreeBSD (the kernels). The advantages for
user space are some old faithful apps, that aren't polluted by odd ideas
from upstream yet, since they are outdated. And I like the "dump"
command that does make a snapshot and enables to backup a running
system.
What I dislike for FreeBSD is missing real-time ability for audio and I
prefer ext file systems and averaged partitioning.
> I appreciate the number of committers on the FreeBSD kernel project
> and the additional features it offers.
What features are you missing for Linux?
> learn more about how to set up a desktop computer using Debian
> GNU/kFreeBSD and want to know more about how I can get involved in the
> Debian community.
[Done]
You're already involved in the community ;).
I'm interested to read about Debian's FreeBSD too. I still prefer Linux,
my FreeBSD install isn't maintained, but it's nice to have a choice.
Regards,
Ralf
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On Wed, 2013-05-22 at 10:15 -0700, Artur Conley wrote:
> What happened?
GNOME became a desktop environment that doesn't fit to the needs of many
Linux users anymore, it became very bloated and is intended for usage
with modern computers.
> Who uses XFCE?(rhetorical question)
I understand the issue, that if you use a media, that by default should
install KDE, but I'm uncertain if your question is really rhetorical,
resp. I assume you are not aware that many people today prefer Xfce
and/or LXDE for good reasons.
> I [...] prefer the FreeBSD kernel over the Linux kernel.
I see some advantages for the user space on FreeBSD installs, but IMO
Linux has got advantages over FreeBSD (the kernels). The advantages for
user space are some old faithful apps, that aren't polluted by odd ideas
from upstream yet, since they are outdated. And I like the "dump"
command that does make a snapshot and enables to backup a running
system.
What I dislike for FreeBSD is missing real-time ability for audio and I
prefer ext file systems and averaged partitioning.
> I appreciate the number of committers on the FreeBSD kernel project
> and the additional features it offers.
> learn more about how to set up a desktop computer using Debian
> GNU/kFreeBSD and want to know more about how I can get involved in the
> Debian community.
You're already involved in the community ;).
I'm interested to read about Debian's FreeBSD too. I still prefer Linux,
my FreeBSD install isn't maintained, but it's nice to have a choice.
Regards,
Ralf
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Alan Ianson
May 22, 2013, 3:30:01 PM5/22/13
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On Wed, 22 May 2013 10:15:40 -0700 (PDT)
Artur Conley <open_...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Who uses XFCE?(rhetorical question)
I use xfce!
Artur Conley <open_...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Who uses XFCE?(rhetorical question)
I switched to xfce when kde changed the whole desktop in kde4. I used
gnome for a time as well and wouldn't you know it, they changed the
whole desktop too! Both kde and gnome made changes I just didn't like
so now I use xfce and am quite happy with it.
I don't know why the Debian 7 GNU/kFreeBSD disks are using xfce by
default since I have never used it. I always install a basic system
then go from there.
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Brian
May 22, 2013, 4:00:01 PM5/22/13
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On Wed 22 May 2013 at 10:15:40 -0700, Artur Conley wrote:
> Hello!� There's a bit of an issue with the Debian 7 GNU/kFreeBSD
> default desktop in the default installation.� When I select any of the
> "default installation" options at the beginning of the installation
> the installer chooses XFCE desktop manager and desktop environment
> instead of the default Gnome installation and even on the KDE disc it
> does the same thing.� It's installing XFCE instead of Gnome or KDE.�
> Why is that?� The documentation for Debian 7 GNU/kFreeBSD says that
> the default desktop is Gnome.� What happened?� Why are all the
> installation discs I find in the mirrors defaulting to XFCE?� Where
> can I get a disc which defaults to Gnome or KDE?� Even the disc
> labeled KDE version is defaulting to XFCE which is a minimalist
> desktop for people who don't really want a serious desktop package.
If the documentation is incorrect suggesting changes to the GNU/kFreeBSD
> Hello!� There's a bit of an issue with the Debian 7 GNU/kFreeBSD
> default desktop in the default installation.� When I select any of the
> "default installation" options at the beginning of the installation
> the installer chooses XFCE desktop manager and desktop environment
> instead of the default Gnome installation and even on the KDE disc it
> does the same thing.� It's installing XFCE instead of Gnome or KDE.�
> Why is that?� The documentation for Debian 7 GNU/kFreeBSD says that
> the default desktop is Gnome.� What happened?� Why are all the
> installation discs I find in the mirrors defaulting to XFCE?� Where
> can I get a disc which defaults to Gnome or KDE?� Even the disc
> labeled KDE version is defaulting to XFCE which is a minimalist
> desktop for people who don't really want a serious desktop package.
Manual would be made on debian-boot. Meanwhile you have
http://wiki.debian.org/Debian_GNU/kFreeBSD_Desktop
which has
XFCE is the default desktop for new kfreebsd installs.
For the rest of what you wrote you might find the thread starting at
http://lists.debian.org/debian-boot/2013/05/msg00074.html
to be informative.
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