Re: Debian 11 upgrade to Debian 12

[Luna Jernberg]

Wen't good for me on a laptop some months ago

On 2/28/23, Timothy M Butterworth <timothy.m....@gmail.com> wrote:
> All,
>
> I just updated my media center PC from Debian Bullseye to Debian Bookworm.
> The upgrade went alright. I initially had to download almost 2GB of 1640
> packages. Around 600 failed to upgrade and I had to manually install them
> in small chunks to fix the dependencies. Other than that the upgrade went
> relatively smoothly and I am liking the new color scheme and wallpapers.
>
> Anyone else have any good or bad experiences upgrading to bookworm.
>
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[Timothy M Butterworth]

[local10]

Feb 28, 2023, 09:04 by timothy.m....@gmail.com:

> I just updated my media center PC from Debian Bullseye to Debian Bookworm. The upgrade went alright. I initially had to download almost 2GB of 1640 packages. Around 600 failed to upgrade and I had to manually install them in small chunks to fix the dependencies.
>

Sounds like you were doing something wrong. Some packages may fail but certainly not 600 of them, at least not the packages that were installed manually. Packages that were auto-installed should not be installed manually.

In my case, about 5 packages had to (re)installed manually when I was upgrading from Debian 11 to 12.

Regards,

[local10]

Feb 28, 2023, 12:24 by loc...@tutanota.com:

> Feb 28, 2023, 09:04 by timothy.m....@gmail.com:
>

>> I just updated my media center PC from Debian Bullseye to Debian Bookworm. The upgrade went alright. I initially had to download almost 2GB of 1640 packages. Around 600 failed to upgrade and I had to manually install them in small chunks to fix the dependencies.
>>
>

> Sounds like you were doing something wrong. Some packages may fail but certainly not 600 of them, at least not the packages that were installed manually. Packages that were auto-installed should not be installed manually.
>
> In my case, about 5 packages had to (re)installed manually when I was upgrading from Debian 11 to 12.
>

Just to add to the above:

If a package fails to upgrade, use "aptitude show <package>" to find out if the package was automatically installed. If it was then use "aptitude why <package>" to find out what manually installed package requires it, then reinstall that manually installed package, it will automatically install all the dependencies it needs.

Regards,

[Timothy M Butterworth]

All I did was modify /etc/apt/sources.list from Bullseye to Bookworm, then I ran apt update and apt upgrade. I guess I could have run apt full-upgrade and that probably would have worked better. 

Either way I wanted to try out Plasma Big Screen and it is running alright. It still needs more polish. I only tested the x11 version and not the wayland version. I will try the wayland version next.

 

Regards,

[Tixy]

On Tue, 2023-02-28 at 13:16 -0500, Timothy M Butterworth wrote:
[...]

> All I did was modify /etc/apt/sources.list from Bullseye to Bookworm, then
> I ran apt update and apt upgrade. I guess I could have run apt full-upgrade
> and that probably would have worked better.

It would have. If you looked at the release notes [1] it suggests

# apt upgrade --without-new-pkgs
# apt full-upgrade

Then lists some possible issues and there remedy.

[1] https://www.debian.org/releases/testing/amd64/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html#minimal-upgrade

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Tixy

[Jeffrey Walton]

On Tue, Feb 28, 2023 at 1:17 PM Timothy M Butterworth
<timothy.m....@gmail.com> wrote:
> [...]

> All I did was modify /etc/apt/sources.list from Bullseye to Bookworm, then I ran apt update and apt upgrade. I guess I could have run apt full-upgrade and that probably would have worked better.

Yeah, you were supposed to run full-upgrade before changing
sources.list. https://wiki.debian.org/DebianUpgrade

Jeff

[Greg Wooledge]

It's also worth mentioning that in bookworm, non-free firmware has been
moved to a new section called "non-free-firmware". If you use any of
that -- most people do! -- then you either need to change "non-free" to
"non-free-firmware" or to "non-free non-free-firmware", depending on
your specific needs.

[Tixy]

That's is the release notes too :-) (I know, there's probably only a
small minority of us who actually read the docs before upgrading.)

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Tixy

[Jeffrey Walton]

That's a good point. That should be stated in the wiki page at
https://wiki.debian.org/DebianUpgrade .

Would saying "Bookworm and later releases ... <info on non-free
non-free-firmware>" be an accurate statement?

Jeff

[Brian]

Well! Get on with it. It's a wiki.

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Brian.

[Jeffrey Walton]

Already done: https://wiki.debian.org/DebianUpgrade

Someone should QA the change.

Jeff

[Keith Bainbridge]

+1

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[to...@tuxteam.de]

On Tue, Feb 28, 2023 at 10:20:20PM +0000, Keith Bainbridge wrote:
> +1
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> All the best
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> Keith Bainbridge
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> Sent from my Android tablet, Please excuse my brevity..

Still enough time to advertise products, still.

Cheers
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t

[piorunz]

On 28/02/2023 09:03, Timothy M Butterworth wrote:
> All,
>
> I just updated my media center PC from Debian Bullseye to Debian
> Bookworm. The upgrade went alright. I initially had to download almost
> 2GB of 1640 packages. Around 600 failed to upgrade and I had to manually
> install them in small chunks to fix the dependencies. Other than that
> the upgrade went relatively smoothly and I am liking the new color
> scheme and wallpapers.
>
> Anyone else have any good or bad experiences upgrading to bookworm.

I could not wait and actually upgraded last year :D Everything went
fine, I was on typical Testing flow of packages, and bugs were present
(especially in KDE and Radeon graphics). Now all packages are frozen,
all bugs I was experiencing are fixed, awaiting final bug fixing and
eventually official release. 🥰

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[songbird]

Timothy M Butterworth wrote:
> All,
>
> I just updated my media center PC from Debian Bullseye to Debian Bookworm.
> The upgrade went alright. I initially had to download almost 2GB of 1640
> packages. Around 600 failed to upgrade and I had to manually install them
> in small chunks to fix the dependencies. Other than that the upgrade went
> relatively smoothly and I am liking the new color scheme and wallpapers.
>
> Anyone else have any good or bad experiences upgrading to bookworm.

considering it's not released yet and has 331 RC bugs still to
be dealt with (or ignored) that's a bit of a jumping the start
line signal.

helping to find bugs is good though too. :)


songbird

[Luna Jernberg]

Worked good on my Raspberry Pi 3 with Unstable today too :)

[local10]

Mar 3, 2023, 03:57 by song...@anthive.com:

> considering it's not released yet and has 331 RC bugs still to
> be dealt with (or ignored) that's a bit of a jumping the start
> line signal.
>
> helping to find bugs is good though too. :)
>

It's a pretty decent release nevertheless. Am running Debian 12 Bookworm and it works very well for me despite some minor issues, mostly with KDE.

Regards,

[Timothy M Butterworth]

I have been running Bullseye on my notebook for almost a year with very few problems. My sound hardware and my WiFi does not work on debian 11. My notebook is my primary work machine and it has been working well. I look at testing as a rolling release.  My media center Mini PC is all Intel and everything on it just works. I wanted to try out KDE Big Screen which is not available in Debian 11 so I had to upgrade to Debian 12. Big Screen works ok on Wayland. I think I am missing some application packages though. The Sound and WiFi buttons just launch a blue screen that never actually loads. The shutdown button works fine. All in all I like it. I started removing unneeded software to make it more streamlined. All I really need is Dolphin, VLC and Elisa. Watch videos and listen to music.

 

 

  songbird

[David Wright]

I just tried upgrading 11→12 on a laptop of mine. The only "snag",
which was no surprise, was being left with a grub.cfg that only boots
the one, upgraded system. That was quickly rectified by grub-mkconfig
after uncommenting GRUB_DISABLE_OS_PROBER=false in /etc/default/grub.
(Thanks for putting that commented line into the file.)

Under bullseye, there were 2015 packages, including libreoffice and
texlive. I run fvwm (now called fvwm2, apparently) with no DE/DM.
It was "pure" Debian except that xtoolwait (from squeeze) was and
still is installed.

Running buster, I copied my bullseye root filesystem to a spare
partition, and adjusted the LABELs in the new copy's fstab.
I booted it up and edited the sources list to bookworm, including
adding the new non-free-firmware.

I ran apt-get update, apt-get upgrade, apt-get --purge autoremove,
apt-get dist-upgrade and apt-get --purge autoremove again, answering
no to keep my configuration files, yes to ignore any bug reports, and
yes to restarting services (including any that might have disconnected
a remote session). It was running on wifi, but I was at the console.

Statistics for the four steps: 627 upgraded and 972 not upgraded;
75 to remove and 968 not upgraded; 967 upgraded, 245 newly installed
and 13 to remove; and 79 to remove. Every thing completed smoothly,
with no dependency problems at all.

I haven't used it in anger as I don't want to disturb my dotfiles etc,
but I checked that sound played perfectly with timidity. Obviously
I've got a number of changes to read up on, with some new packages
to look over.

Cheers,
David.