IANA port ups/401

Roger Price

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Mar 31, 2021, 11:00:06 AM3/31/21

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Has any reader of this list ever used IANA port ups/401 "Uninterruptible Power
Supply" (other than the One Windows Trojan)? I'm looking for protocol
documentation or reports of usage. The port was assigned in 2008 to Mr. Charles
Bennett as both assignee and contact. Mr. Bennett himself died in 2015.

Roger

PS: The NUT package uses port nut/3493 for UPS management.

to...@tuxteam.de

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Mar 31, 2021, 11:20:05 AM3/31/21

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On Wed, Mar 31, 2021 at 04:51:55PM +0200, Roger Price wrote:
> Has any reader of this list ever used IANA port ups/401
> "Uninterruptible Power Supply" (other than the One Windows Trojan)?
> I'm looking for protocol documentation or reports of usage. The port
> was assigned in 2008 to Mr. Charles Bennett as both assignee and
> contact. Mr. Bennett himself died in 2015.

Funny. Search engine finds someone with your name:

https://html.duckduckgo.com/html/?q=%22401%22+%22UPS%22+site:tools.ietf.org

giving:

https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-rprice-ups-management-protocol-00

I have the strong hunch you /know/ this person :-)

Cheers
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Roger Price

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Mar 31, 2021, 12:20:04 PM3/31/21

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I do not confirm and I do not deny that I know that guy :-) In the discussions
associated with the I-D, I expect IANA to ask to be shown that there are no
current users for ups/401. It seemed useful to tap the accumulated wisdom and
deep memories of the debian list.

Cheers, Roger

Dan Ritter

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Mar 31, 2021, 12:30:05 PM3/31/21

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Roger Price wrote:
> On Wed, 31 Mar 2021, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
>
> > On Wed, Mar 31, 2021 at 04:51:55PM +0200, Roger Price wrote:
> > > Has any reader of this list ever used IANA port ups/401
> > > "Uninterruptible Power Supply" (other than the One Windows Trojan)?
> > > I'm looking for protocol documentation or reports of usage. The port
> > > was assigned in 2008 to Mr. Charles Bennett as both assignee and
> > > contact. Mr. Bennett himself died in 2015.

Sysadmin-type since 1996ish, so: in the last 25 years, I believe
the only time I have encountered "ups/401" is in /etc/services.

SunOS
Solaris
DEC OSF/1
Harris Nighthawk something-or-another B3 (awful even for the
time)
VMS on a microVAX the size of a largish microwave oven
NetBSD and OpenBSD but somehow never FreeBSD
Linux in many distros

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Dan Ritter

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Mar 31, 2021, 1:30:05 PM3/31/21

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That was the subject line of a message I just received from a
Debian-user member.

In case anyone is confused:

- I write my point of view because that's the one I have

- I am not a covert agent of an anti-FSF cabal, to the best of
my knowledge.

- I have no idea what 'trying to subvert something "positive
for FSF, but detrimental for Proprietary"' means.

- I have no confusion in my mind between the FSF and Debian. I
suspect that the author does have some confusion there.

I have been asked by this person not to write to them, so I have
killfiled them. I may end up in one of the threads that they
contribute to anyway, but I won't be responding to them.

-dsr-

(Psst... got any more interesting cabals to join?)

Laura Smith

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Mar 31, 2021, 5:20:05 PM3/31/21

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On Wednesday, March 31st, 2021 at 18:28, Dan Ritter <d...@randomstring.org> wrote:

> That was the subject line of a message I just received from a

> - I am not a covert agent of an anti-FSF cabal [...]

Unless you were a very bad covert agent, you would say that, wouldn't you ;).

Dan Ritter

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Mar 31, 2021, 6:50:04 PM3/31/21

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Correct.

However, one might decide to look at my blog, my history of (I
hope) helpful posts in debian-user, or indeed my career -- and
find quite a bit of counter-evidence.

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Joe Pfeiffer

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Mar 31, 2021, 9:20:04 PM3/31/21

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So deeply undercover you don't recognize it yourself.

Roger Price

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Apr 1, 2021, 3:30:05 PM4/1/21

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This is exactly what I have suspected. ups/401 is widely known since it
features in /etc/services, but it has no users.

In an I-D [1], I explain that I would like to use port name "ups" for UPS
management over TLS 1.3 which is not available in the current NUT (Network UPS
Tools) package 2.7.4. Such a "take-over" is not evident, since for example
direct transfers of IANA names and numbers are not allowed. One of the hurdles
to be overcome is demonstrating that "ups" is not being used.

Roger

[1]
https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-rprice-ups-management-protocol-03.html#name-nut-project-requirement

Laura Smith

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Apr 1, 2021, 3:30:05 PM4/1/21

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On Wednesday, March 31st, 2021 at 23:46, Dan Ritter <d...@randomstring.org> wrote:

> However, one might decide to look at my blog, my history of (I
> hope) helpful posts in debian-user, or indeed my career -- and
> find quite a bit of counter-evidence.

Well you'd think so. But I've learned to never underestimate people's capacity to ignore evidence in the face of an idea they already have in their head.