gettext is one minor rev too old

[Gene Heskett]

Greetings all;

running 99% wheezy, trying to build gEDA because whats in the repos is
very old.

geda-gaf is refusing to autoconfig, gettext is 0.18.1-1.9, and I need
0.18.2 or better.

Is there a deb repo I can raid just for that?

Thanks.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
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[Gary Dale]

On 10/01/16 08:39 PM, Gene Heskett wrote:
> Greetings all;
>
> running 99% wheezy, trying to build gEDA because whats in the repos is
> very old.
>
> geda-gaf is refusing to autoconfig, gettext is 0.18.1-1.9, and I need
> 0.18.2 or better.
>
> Is there a deb repo I can raid just for that?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Cheers, Gene Heskett

Probably but you may find that gettext is a dependency of other packages
that might not like the more recent versions. You can try building it
statically linked to get around this.

If you go to packages.debian.org you can search for packages from all
the recent versions of Debian.

[Gene Heskett]

Thank you Gary, I'll look into that in the morning.

[Santiago Vila]

On Sun, Jan 10, 2016 at 08:39:17PM -0500, Gene Heskett wrote:
> running 99% wheezy, trying to build gEDA because whats in the repos is
> very old.
>
> geda-gaf is refusing to autoconfig, gettext is 0.18.1-1.9, and I need
> 0.18.2 or better.
>
> Is there a deb repo I can raid just for that?

wheezy-backports

[Gene Heskett]

I have that in /etc/apt/sources.list as

deb http://http.debian.net/debian wheezy-backports main contrib non-free

Do I need to add another option word above to see 0.18.2?

[Brian]

On Mon 11 Jan 2016 at 13:16:07 -0500, Gene Heskett wrote:

> On Monday 11 January 2016 05:19:52 Santiago Vila wrote:
>
> > On Sun, Jan 10, 2016 at 08:39:17PM -0500, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > > running 99% wheezy, trying to build gEDA because whats in the repos
> > > is very old.
> > >
> > > geda-gaf is refusing to autoconfig, gettext is 0.18.1-1.9, and I
> > > need 0.18.2 or better.
> > >
> > > Is there a deb repo I can raid just for that?
> >
> > wheezy-backports
>
> I have that in /etc/apt/sources.list as
>
> deb http://http.debian.net/debian wheezy-backports main contrib non-free
>
> Do I need to add another option word above to see 0.18.2?

C'mon. At the very least you have

https://packages.debian.org

for what archives have and the wiki for telling you how to use
backports. Help others to help you by helping yourself.

[Santiago Vila]

On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 01:16:07PM -0500, Gene Heskett wrote:
> I have that in /etc/apt/sources.list as
>
> deb http://http.debian.net/debian wheezy-backports main contrib non-free
>
> Do I need to add another option word above to see 0.18.2?

You have to install the gettext backport the same way you would
install any other backport:

apt-get -t wheezy-backports install gettext


See

http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/

for details.

[Gene Heskett]

Snotty attitudes don't cut it, and neither does that site. The search
engine is apparently set to scan for jessie(stable) only, or at least it
returns zero results for wheezy. And once you have used the search, you
cannot back out as the back button never takes you back to THAT site.
I quit iceweasel 3 times just so it could send it back to THAT site to
see if I could figure out how to use it to do a useful search.

So unless you can offer real help, STFU and let someone else with less of
an attitude answer.

My thanks to anyone with a helpful answer.

I did find it eventually but its a whole version number newer, so I've no
clue if it will install. sudo dpkg I assume. And I am amazed, dpkg had
no complaints.

So I re-ran geda-gaf's autogen.sh, getting this back at the end:
autopoint: *** The AM_GNU_GETTEXT_VERSION declaration in your
configure.ac
file requires the infrastructure from gettext-0.18.2 but
this version
is older. Please upgrade to gettext-0.18.2 or newer.
autopoint: *** Stop.

Older? 'scuse me, but, an "ldconfig -v|grep gettext" returns:
libgettextpo.so.0 -> libgettextpo.so.0.5.1
libgettextlib-0.19.3.so -> libgettextlib-0.19.3.so
libgettextsrc-0.19.3.so -> libgettextsrc-0.19.3.so

Something isn't matching, and the error is bogus? But thats a SWAG.

./configure has no problems, but make ends with a missing .h file. Again
exactly the same result as I got yesterday with gettext-0.18.1-whatever.

So, where do I go from here? I can't update to Jessie just yet since
LinuxCNC iso's for Jessie haven't been assembled yet. Its coming, but
likely not until after April. It helps now that Linus has announced his
own LTS kernel just this past week. Now our kernel folks know what
kernel they need to make compatible with the RTAI patchkit, and vice
versa of course.

My thanks to anyone who can offer useful advice. I'd use eagle for the
current need, but that kit self-destructs quite often when updates
destroy any thought of being backward compatible with previously
composed work.

[Gene Heskett]

On Monday 11 January 2016 22:31:32 Gene Heskett wrote:

> How do I convince synaptic to show them to me? That certainly has to
> be easier that poking around the back of the donkey with a sharp stick
> trying to build the whole suite of programs that gEDA is. ;)

Never mind, I finally found it trolling thru prefs.

Thank you all;

[Gene Heskett]

Gee, I just luv broken packages AND configure scripts. That error turned
out to be autopoint was still at 0.18.1whatever. And autopoint is
SUPPOSED to be part of GNU_gettext, but for some reason is packaged
separately. The same apt-get syntax (thank you) that updated gettext,
also worked for autopoint, so that error is gone, but the make bailed
out for lack of a libgeda/colors.h. And that I don't believe is
debian's problem.

There are no doubt, other things in wheezy-backports that synaptic isn't
showing me despite having that defined in /etc/apt/sources.list.

Maybe even updated gEDA packages I am trying to build since the wheezy
versions cannot even interchange data files between gshem and pcb.

How do I convince synaptic to show them to me? That certainly has to be
easier that poking around the back of the donkey with a sharp stick
trying to build the whole suite of programs that gEDA is. ;)

Thank you all;

[Gary Dale]

Actually the packages page for debian does give you the option of
searching for "oldstable" all the way up to "experimental", including an
option for "any". The search function is actually quite good.

[Richard Owlett]

On 1/10/2016 7:39 PM, Gene Heskett wrote:
>[snip]

> geda-gaf is refusing to autoconfig, gettext is 0.18.1-1.9, and I need
> 0.18.2 or better.
>
> Is there a deb repo I can raid just for that?
>

If I read this thread correctly, I think

https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=gettext

will answer your question(s).

[Gene Heskett]

it only returned Jessie packages, but they turned out to be the same as
wheezy-backports were. I let it update to the backports (around 350
packages) about 2 hours back, and it looks the same, but feels better.

[Richard Owlett]

On 1/11/2016 11:55 PM, Gene Heskett wrote:
> On Tuesday 12 January 2016 00:29:38 Richard Owlett wrote:
>
>> On 1/10/2016 7:39 PM, Gene Heskett wrote:
>>> [snip]
>>> geda-gaf is refusing to autoconfig, gettext is 0.18.1-1.9, and I
>>> need 0.18.2 or better.
>>>
>>> Is there a deb repo I can raid just for that?
>>
>> If I read this thread correctly, I think
>>
>> https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=gettext
>>
>> will answer your question(s).
>
> it only returned Jessie packages, but they turned out to be the same as
> wheezy-backports were. I let it update to the backports (around 350
> packages) about 2 hours back, and it looks the same, but feels better.
>
> Cheers, Gene Heskett
>

That is *NOT* what I get.
The portion of what I see bearing on your question is:

/begin quotation


You have searched for packages that names contain gettext in all
suites, all sections, and all architectures. Found 39 matching
packages.
Exact hits
Package gettext

squeeze (oldoldstable) (devel): GNU Internationalization
utilities
0.18.1.1-3: amd64 armel i386 ia64 kfreebsd-amd64
kfreebsd-i386 mips mipsel powerpc s390 sparc
wheezy (oldstable) (devel): GNU Internationalization utilities
0.18.1.1-9: amd64 armel armhf i386 ia64 kfreebsd-amd64
kfreebsd-i386 mips mipsel powerpc s390 s390x sparc
wheezy-backports (devel): GNU Internationalization utilities
0.19.3-2~bpo70+1: amd64 armel armhf i386 ia64 kfreebsd-amd64
kfreebsd-i386 mips mipsel powerpc s390 s390x sparc
jessie (stable) (devel): GNU Internationalization utilities
0.19.3-2: amd64 arm64 armel armhf i386 mips mipsel powerpc
ppc64el s390x
stretch (testing) (devel): GNU Internationalization utilities
0.19.7-2: amd64 arm64 armel armhf i386 mips mipsel powerpc
ppc64el s390x
sid (unstable) (devel): GNU Internationalization utilities
0.19.7-2: alpha amd64 arm64 armel armhf hppa hurd-i386 i386
kfreebsd-amd64 kfreebsd-i386 mips mipsel powerpc ppc64 ppc64el
s390x sparc64 x32
0.19.6-1 [debports]: m68k sh4
0.19.3-2 [debports]: powerpcspe
/end quotation

The top of the page allows the user refine the search by clicking
on desired suite and/or architecture.
Below the quoted excerpt is a very long list of "other hits".

As do not have my Debian machine on the internet, I used
SeaMonkey 2.26.1 under (gasp;) WinXP Pro SP3. The same is
displayed using IE8. Something is odd ;/

[Gene Heskett]

Probably me. In any event, I did find where in synaptic to enable the
wheezy-backports, and an update then brought about 330 packages up newer
versions.

Unfortunately, one of them was tar, to version 1.27-1 and it no longer
tolerates being called with the -cpsf option list, puking all over
itself and refusing to complete last nights backup run by amanda.
This gets tiresome as I don't recall ever updating tar, and having a
working syntax when it was done. Suitable help please message posted to
the tar-users list.

Other than that, the system seems to be running smoother after that
update blast than it has since the ssl/tls square dance started around 2
weeks ago. So I'll be pleased when I figure out how to fix tar so it
works again.

Thanks Richard.

[Brian]

On Mon 11 Jan 2016 at 21:25:16 -0500, Gene Heskett wrote:

> On Monday 11 January 2016 13:30:41 Brian wrote:
>
> > C'mon. At the very least you have
> >
> > https://packages.debian.org
> >
> > for what archives have and the wiki for telling you how to use
> > backports. Help others to help you by helping yourself.
>
> Snotty attitudes don't cut it, and neither does that site. The search
> engine is apparently set to scan for jessie(stable) only, or at least it
> returns zero results for wheezy. And once you have used the search, you

We in the Snotty Brigade hand out fishing tackle, not fish. We are
pleased to see the policy has appeared to work in your case.

[Gene Heskett]

ROTFLMAO! And my apologies for my own attitude caused by all the
frustrations I've encountered the last week or so.

I had that coming I guess, but that site is just different enough to
confuse this old fart.

I did figure out how to make synaptic make use of wheezy-backports, so I
said to myself, I can't make it any worse, so I let it install over 300
pkgs from backports. Other that tar, its running better than it has in
quite a spell, although I understand Lisi is holding her breath because
I've gone someplace that even angels don't. We'll see I guess, but like
the guy who said he was going to live forever, so far, so good. I can,
at 81, and despite a pulmonary embolism that came very close to punching
my ticket out of here at the end of May 2014, can also say so far so
good. Most of the time.

If I had known at 20 that I was going to live this long, I sure would
have taken better care of me.

This, from a guy who was a geek before the word was invented, I quit
school in 1948 to go see if I could fix these newfangled things called
televisions, and I "had the knack", and its incurable. I am glad it
wasn't, because of pure serendipity, I've left my fingerprints in some
unusual, one of a kind places over the last 67 years, like the tv
cameras that were on the Trieste in Feb, 1960 when it went down into the
mohole.

But the combo of age, and hard to define aspects of the P-E with its
potential for mini-strokes, has me asking questions of you kind folks
that 30 years ago I would have written the code to find my own answers
to. And as you can imagine, its frustrating.

The rest as they say is history.

[Charlie Kravetz]

I am "only" 62, and run into many of the same things. I would only hope
if I make 80, I can still function on my own.

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