mail vs. Mutt
Andrius
Why to complicate a life when all mailing tasks perfectly can do simple
command 'Mail'?
Regards,
Andrius
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Tzafrir Cohen
> Returning to the question about Mutt.
> Why to complicate a life when all mailing tasks perfectly can do simple
> command 'Mail'?
If you can, go ahead.
I presonally like to be able to use MIME, get mail from a remote IMAP
server, and such.
If you want decent non full-screen -based client, try some better
alternatives:
nail (renamed to something else in Lenny)
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Douglas A. Tutty
> Why to complicate a life when all mailing tasks perfectly can do simple
> command 'Mail'?
Why not just telnet port 25 and type raw SMTP?
You can use mail, no question. Mutt adds a lot, is stable and
predictable. You can call for help when X is broken.
With mail and ed, you can call for help when termcap/terminfo/ncurses is
broken (when last did that happen?).
I don't think that mail has the list support and threading display that
mutt does, but I don't know.
.
^D
:)
Doug.
Ron Johnson
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On 02/15/08 10:07, Andrius wrote:
> Returning to the question about Mutt.
> Why to complicate a life when all mailing tasks perfectly can do simple
> command 'Mail'?
What the hell does that mean?
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Andrius
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> On 02/15/08 10:07, Andrius wrote:
>> Returning to the question about Mutt.
>> Why to complicate a life when all mailing tasks perfectly can do simple
>> command 'Mail'?
>
> What the hell does that mean?
>
> - --
> Ron Johnson, Jr.
> Jefferson LA USA
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That is reflections about what is best way to send and receive mail.
Regards,
Andrius
William Pursell
> On 02/15/08 10:47, Andrius wrote:
>> Ron Johnson wrote:
>>> On 02/15/08 10:07, Andrius wrote:
>>>> Returning to the question about Mutt.
>>>> Why to complicate a life when all mailing tasks perfectly can do simple
>>>> command 'Mail'?
>>> What the hell does that mean?
>> That is reflections about what is best way to send and receive mail.
>
> You're a n00b. Stop philosophizing and just start using a standard
> GUI mail client that fits well with your desktop. KMail for KDE;
> Icedove or Evolution for GNOME.
That's a bit harsh. Sometimes, /usr/bin/mail really is best.
$ mail user -s subject < file
is often the best way to get the job done.
Ron Johnson
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On 02/15/08 10:47, Andrius wrote:
> Ron Johnson wrote:
>> On 02/15/08 10:07, Andrius wrote:
>>> Returning to the question about Mutt.
>>> Why to complicate a life when all mailing tasks perfectly can do simple
>>> command 'Mail'?
>>
>> What the hell does that mean?
>
> That is reflections about what is best way to send and receive mail.
You're a n00b. Stop philosophizing and just start using a standard
GUI mail client that fits well with your desktop. KMail for KDE;
Icedove or Evolution for GNOME.
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Kelly Clowers
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> On 02/15/08 10:47, Andrius wrote:
>
> > Ron Johnson wrote:
> >> On 02/15/08 10:07, Andrius wrote:
> >>> Returning to the question about Mutt.
> >>> Why to complicate a life when all mailing tasks perfectly can do simple
> >>> command 'Mail'?
> >>
> >> What the hell does that mean?
> >
>
> > That is reflections about what is best way to send and receive mail.
>
> You're a n00b. Stop philosophizing and just start using a standard
> GUI mail client that fits well with your desktop. KMail for KDE;
> Icedove or Evolution for GNOME.
I fail to see why not using "a standard GUI mail client" is n00bish.
Advocating ever more basic systems for reading mail may be silly,
(or may not be) but a n00b is unlikely to even know about mutt and
mail.
Cheers,
Kelly Clowers
Vincent Lefevre
> That's a bit harsh. Sometimes, /usr/bin/mail really is best.
> $ mail user -s subject < file
> is often the best way to get the job done.
You can do something similar with Mutt, and you benefit from MIME
(e.g. if subject has non-ASCII characters), aliases and send-hook's.
So, it's safer.
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Vincent Lefevre
> Returning to the question about Mutt.
> Why to complicate a life when all mailing tasks perfectly can do simple
> command 'Mail'?
That's the same thing here. :)
vin:~> which mail
mail: aliased to mutt
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Ron Johnson
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On 02/15/08 11:16, William Pursell wrote:
> Ron Johnson wrote:
>> On 02/15/08 10:47, Andrius wrote:
>>> Ron Johnson wrote:
>>>> On 02/15/08 10:07, Andrius wrote:
>>>>> Returning to the question about Mutt.
>>>>> Why to complicate a life when all mailing tasks perfectly can do
>>>>> simple
>>>>> command 'Mail'?
>
>>>> What the hell does that mean?
>
>>> That is reflections about what is best way to send and receive mail.
>>
>> You're a n00b. Stop philosophizing and just start using a standard
>> GUI mail client that fits well with your desktop. KMail for KDE;
>> Icedove or Evolution for GNOME.
>
> That's a bit harsh. Sometimes, /usr/bin/mail really is best.
> $ mail user -s subject < file
> is often the best way to get the job done.
Absolutely! If you have properly configured an MTA to so that the
world doesn't see it as ill-written spam.
But 99.44% of all people can't do that, and are anyway afraid of the
CLI, thus rely on others to do all the hard work for them.
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Ron Johnson
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On 02/15/08 12:10, Kelly Clowers wrote:
> On Fri, Feb 15, 2008 at 8:58 AM, Ron Johnson <ron.l....@cox.net> wrote:
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>> On 02/15/08 10:47, Andrius wrote:
>>
>>> Ron Johnson wrote:
>> >> On 02/15/08 10:07, Andrius wrote:
>> >>> Returning to the question about Mutt.
>> >>> Why to complicate a life when all mailing tasks perfectly can do simple
>> >>> command 'Mail'?
>> >>
>> >> What the hell does that mean?
>> >
>>
>>> That is reflections about what is best way to send and receive mail.
>> You're a n00b. Stop philosophizing and just start using a standard
>> GUI mail client that fits well with your desktop. KMail for KDE;
>> Icedove or Evolution for GNOME.
>
> I fail to see why not using "a standard GUI mail client" is n00bish.
???
> Advocating ever more basic systems for reading mail may be silly,
> (or may not be) but a n00b is unlikely to even know about mutt and
> mail.
He *wants* to be a geek. But the tenor of all his emails indicates
that he's (politely) a non-expert. That's *OK*. None of us were
weaned on Dennis Richie's teat.
But he can barely dog paddle and has dived into the deep end.
That's a recipe for failure and embitterment towards Linux.
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Steve Lamb
> But he can barely dog paddle and has dived into the deep end.
> That's a recipe for failure and embitterment towards Linux.
Or the best troll ever. :P
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Andrius
To configure MTA (exim4) is half hour job and it is easy.
How many time person must spent for configuring Mutt?
Andrius
Andrius
True, Mutt is really for these who wanna be a *geek*-n00b.
But using simpliest UNIX command - sorry, it is not n00bish. To learn
use mail need max hour. While for Mutt. you must devote yourself to
become a mutant for a months.
Andrius
Andrei Popescu
> To configure MTA (exim4) is half hour job and it is easy.
> How many time person must spent for configuring Mutt?
For mail to be able to send to the internet you have to activate address
rewriting in your MTA (user@localhost -> your_...@server.net)
Regards,
Andrei
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Andrius
> On Fri, Feb 15, 2008 at 06:47:52PM +0000, Andrius wrote:
>
>> To configure MTA (exim4) is half hour job and it is easy.
>> How many time person must spent for configuring Mutt?
>
> For mail to be able to send to the internet you have to activate address
> rewriting in your MTA (user@localhost -> your_...@server.net)
>
> Regards,
> Andrei
True.
Andrei Popescu
> True, Mutt is really for these who wanna be a *geek*-n00b.
> But using simpliest UNIX command - sorry, it is not n00bish. To learn use
> mail need max hour. While for Mutt. you must devote yourself to become a
> mutant for a months.
At least mutt displays the most used shortcuts in a given situation and
has on-line help (just press '?').
Andrius
> Andrei Popescu wrote:
>> On Fri, Feb 15, 2008 at 06:47:52PM +0000, Andrius wrote:
>>
>>> To configure MTA (exim4) is half hour job and it is easy.
>>> How many time person must spent for configuring Mutt?
>>
>> For mail to be able to send to the internet you have to activate
>> address rewriting in your MTA (user@localhost -> your_...@server.net)
>>
>> Regards,
>> Andrei
>
> True.
>
> Andrius
>
>
Actually, it is not true. You can send emails as is
(ro...@body.forsally.zx like mine) or change /etc/hostname to domain of
your email's address domaine (for example to name machine as
'yahoo.com') and create user name as first part of your email address.
Why mail does not use an address from /etc/mailname?
Andrius
> Andrius wrote:
>> Andrei Popescu wrote:
>>> On Fri, Feb 15, 2008 at 06:47:52PM +0000, Andrius wrote:
>>>
>>>> To configure MTA (exim4) is half hour job and it is easy.
>>>> How many time person must spent for configuring Mutt?
>>>
>>> For mail to be able to send to the internet you have to activate
>>> address rewriting in your MTA (user@localhost -> your_...@server.net)
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Andrei
>>
>> True.
>>
>> Andrius
>>
>>
>
> Actually, it is not true. You can send emails as is
> (ro...@body.forsally.zx like mine) or change /etc/hostname to domain of
> your email's address domaine (for example to name machine as
> 'yahoo.com') and create user name as first part of your email address.
> Why mail does not use an address from /etc/mailname?
Don't mind this question please.
Andrei Popescu
> Andrius wrote:
>> Andrei Popescu wrote:
>>> On Fri, Feb 15, 2008 at 06:47:52PM +0000, Andrius wrote:
>>>
>>>> To configure MTA (exim4) is half hour job and it is easy.
>>>> How many time person must spent for configuring Mutt?
>>>
>>> For mail to be able to send to the internet you have to activate address
>>> rewriting in your MTA (user@localhost -> your_...@server.net)
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Andrei
>>
>> True.
>>
>> Andrius
>>
>>
>
> Actually, it is not true. You can send emails as is (ro...@body.forsally.zx
Are you really using your root account for mails?
> like mine) or change /etc/hostname to domain of your email's address
> domaine (for example to name machine as 'yahoo.com') and create user
> name as first part of your email address.
My ISP will not accept mails from a different domain (valid or not). Of
course I could change hostname and/or mailname, but that wouldn't be
quite correct, or am I missing something (It sounds like spoofing to
me)? And you would also have to have the same username as the local
part in your mail.
You can send mails via gmail without address rewriting (because they
rewrite the address anyway), but for gmail you need working smtp auth
and tls.