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Wayne Topa

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May 20, 2013, 8:40:02 PM5/20/13
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Using the instructions at <http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/>
for a few days now, without success, I am getting the following

" Could not connect to ftp.us.debian.org:80 (204.152.191.39). - connect
(110: Connection timed out)"

The same results with ftp.ca.debian.org, ftp.uk.debian.org. This
started the day after Wheezy was released.

I have not seen any posts about this so I assume I have missed.
something.

Sources list looks like this:

deb http://ftp.ca.debian.org/debian wheezy-backports main
deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian wheezy-backports main
deb http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian wheezy-backports main

Any idea what is screwed up?

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Patrick Bartek

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May 21, 2013, 2:40:02 AM5/21/13
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On Mon, 20 May 2013, Wayne Topa wrote:

> Using the instructions at <http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/>
> for a few days now, without success, I am getting the following
>
> " Could not connect to ftp.us.debian.org:80 (204.152.191.39). -
> connect (110: Connection timed out)"
>
> The same results with ftp.ca.debian.org, ftp.uk.debian.org. This
> started the day after Wheezy was released.
>
> I have not seen any posts about this so I assume I have missed.
> something.
>
> Sources list looks like this:
>
> deb http://ftp.ca.debian.org/debian wheezy-backports main
> deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian wheezy-backports main
> deb http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian wheezy-backports main
>
> Any idea what is screwed up?

After entering any of those lines, did you do, as root, apt-get update?

This is my repository line for wheezy-backports. And it works.

deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ wheezy-backports main contrib non-free


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Wayne Topa

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May 21, 2013, 11:40:03 AM5/21/13
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On 05/21/2013 02:37 AM, Patrick Bartek wrote:
> On Mon, 20 May 2013, Wayne Topa wrote:
>
>> Using the instructions at <http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/>
>> for a few days now, without success, I am getting the following
>>
>> " Could not connect to ftp.us.debian.org:80 (204.152.191.39). -
>> connect (110: Connection timed out)"
>>
>> The same results with ftp.ca.debian.org, ftp.uk.debian.org. This
>> started the day after Wheezy was released.
>>
>> I have not seen any posts about this so I assume I have missed.
>> something.
>>
>> Sources list looks like this:
>>
>> deb http://ftp.ca.debian.org/debian wheezy-backports main
>> deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian wheezy-backports main
>> deb http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian wheezy-backports main
>>
>> Any idea what is screwed up?
>
> After entering any of those lines, did you do, as root, apt-get update?

Ah, yes. the Lines I included above were returned by the update command ;-(

> This is my repository line for wheezy-backports. And it works.
>
> deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ wheezy-backports main contrib non-free
>
This is what I get I get from trying to find ftp.debian.org

> topa@dj:~$ fping http://ftp.debian.org/debian
> http://ftp.debian.org/debian address not found

For some reason, which I haven't figured out, is why they are not found?
DNS problem or ipv6 or ???

Thanks tho the reply.

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Wayne Topa

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May 21, 2013, 11:50:01 AM5/21/13
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I forgot to add, sorry

> topa@dj:~$ host http://ftp.debian.org/
> Host http://ftp.debian.org/ not found: 3(NXDOMAIN)
> wtopa@dj:~$ dig http://ftp.debian.org/
>
> ; <<>> DiG 9.8.4-rpz2+rl005.12-P1 <<>> http://ftp.debian.org/
> ;; global options: +cmd
> ;; Got answer:
> ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NXDOMAIN, id: 31144
> ;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 0, AUTHORITY: 0, ADDITIONAL: 0
>
> ;; QUESTION SECTION:
> ;http://ftp.debian.org/. IN A
>
> ;; Query time: 0 msec
> ;; SERVER: 127.0.0.1#53(127.0.0.1)
> ;; WHEN: Tue May 21 11:44:24 2013
> ;; MSG SIZE rcvd: 40





> Thanks for the reply.
>
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Hans-J. Ullrich

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May 21, 2013, 12:00:02 PM5/21/13
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Hi Wayne,
> > topa@dj:~$ fping http://ftp.debian.org/debian
> > http://ftp.debian.org/debian address not found
>
> For some reason, which I haven't figured out, is why they are not found?
> DNS problem or ipv6 or ???
>

Doesn't wor here, too. But try "ping ftp.debian.org" as root.
Should work fine.

> Thanks tho the reply.
>
> __
> Wayne
>
> > B

Best

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Wayne Topa

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On 05/21/2013 11:52 AM, Hans-J. Ullrich wrote:
> Hi Wayne,
>>> topa@dj:~$ fping http://ftp.debian.org/debian
>>> http://ftp.debian.org/debian address not found
>>
>> For some reason, which I haven't figured out, is why they are not found?
>> DNS problem or ipv6 or ???
>>
>
> Doesn't wor here, too. But try "ping ftp.debian.org" as root.
> Should work fine.
>
Thanks for reminding me! I had a problem like this before. 96 or 97
I think. Ping got me the IP Addr so used it instead of ftp.debian.org.
That does work

Seem like a lot of Debian sites return " not found: 3(NXDOMAIN)" lately.

Thanks Again Hans-j

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Brian

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On Tue 21 May 2013 at 11:32:32 -0400, Wayne Topa wrote:

> This is what I get I get from trying to find ftp.debian.org
>
> > topa@dj:~$ fping http://ftp.debian.org/debian
> > http://ftp.debian.org/debian address not found
>
> For some reason, which I haven't figured out, is why they are not found?
> DNS problem or ipv6 or ???

I've occasionally done what you did by unjudicious copying and pasting!
You ping a host. 'http://' is not part of its name.


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Patrick Bartek

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On Tue, 21 May 2013, Wayne Topa wrote:

> On 05/21/2013 11:52 AM, Hans-J. Ullrich wrote:
> > Hi Wayne,
> >>> topa@dj:~$ fping http://ftp.debian.org/debian
> >>> http://ftp.debian.org/debian address not found
> >>
> >> For some reason, which I haven't figured out, is why they are not
> >> found? DNS problem or ipv6 or ???
> >>
> >
> > Doesn't wor here, too. But try "ping ftp.debian.org" as root.
> > Should work fine.
> >
> Thanks for reminding me! I had a problem like this before. 96 or 97
> I think. Ping got me the IP Addr so used it instead of
> ftp.debian.org. That does work
>
> Seem like a lot of Debian sites return " not found: 3(NXDOMAIN)"
> lately.

Probably, as you mentioned previously, a DNS problem. I would contact
the hosting service about it, or switch to a new one. A few years ago
I was having DNS problems. I was using my ISP's DNS servers. So, I
switched to another, a free one: Problems went away.

Do you use a proxy? Do you have this problem with any other sites?
Check your firewall, too. It could be blocking the Debian sites.

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Brian

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On Tue 21 May 2013 at 17:44:19 +0100, Brian wrote:

> On Tue 21 May 2013 at 11:32:32 -0400, Wayne Topa wrote:
>
> > This is what I get I get from trying to find ftp.debian.org
> >
> > > topa@dj:~$ fping http://ftp.debian.org/debian
> > > http://ftp.debian.org/debian address not found
> >
> > For some reason, which I haven't figured out, is why they are not found?
> > DNS problem or ipv6 or ???
>
> I've occasionally done what you did by unjudicious copying and pasting!
> You ping a host. 'http://' is not part of its name.

I may even have been injudicious. Either way we both have been lax. You
with your use of computer language; me with my mangling of the English
language.


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Wayne Topa

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On 05/21/2013 12:57 PM, Patrick Bartek wrote:
> On Tue, 21 May 2013, Wayne Topa wrote:
>
>> On 05/21/2013 11:52 AM, Hans-J. Ullrich wrote:
>>> Hi Wayne,
>>>>> topa@dj:~$ fping http://ftp.debian.org/debian
>>>>> http://ftp.debian.org/debian address not found
>>>>
>>>> For some reason, which I haven't figured out, is why they are not
>>>> found? DNS problem or ipv6 or ???
>>>>
>>>
>>> Doesn't wor here, too. But try "ping ftp.debian.org" as root.
>>> Should work fine.
>>>
>> Thanks for reminding me! I had a problem like this before. 96 or 97
>> I think. Ping got me the IP Addr so used it instead of
>> ftp.debian.org. That does work
>>
>> Seem like a lot of Debian sites return " not found: 3(NXDOMAIN)"
>> lately.
>
> Probably, as you mentioned previously, a DNS problem. I would contact
> the hosting service about it, or switch to a new one. A few years ago
> I was having DNS problems. I was using my ISP's DNS servers. So, I
> switched to another, a free one: Problems went away.
>

> Do you use a proxy? Do you have this problem with any other sites?
> Check your firewall, too. It could be blocking the Debian sites.

No Proxy here and I am using my providers DNS Server as well as Google
8.8.8.8 & 4.4.4.4

It is not my firewall causing this problem.Using arno-iptables-firewall
on 6 dist's, 3 wheezy, 1 Testing & 1 Sid. The DNS problems are only on
the 3 Wheezy dists. The Oldest wheezy dist was installed when Squeeze
went stable and it was not having this problem until Wheezy went stable.


I don't know if the problem was in Squeeze or not. I seldom used it as
it had problems with X so my primary dist wad Wheezy.


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Wayne Topa

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On 05/21/2013 12:44 PM, Brian wrote:
> On Tue 21 May 2013 at 11:32:32 -0400, Wayne Topa wrote:
>
>> This is what I get I get from trying to find ftp.debian.org
>>
>>> topa@dj:~$ fping http://ftp.debian.org/debian
>>> http://ftp.debian.org/debian address not found
>>
>> For some reason, which I haven't figured out, is why they are not found?
>> DNS problem or ipv6 or ???
>
> I've occasionally done what you did by unjudicious copying and pasting!
> You ping a host. 'http://' is not part of its name.
>
>
Yes the results are confusing.

topa@dj:~$ fping ftp.debian.org
ftp.debian.org is alive
wtopa@dj:~$ fping http://ftp.debian.org
http://ftp.debian.org address not found <<but google finds it with this
wtopa@dj:~$ ping http://ftp.debian.org

ping -c1 ftp.debian.org
PING ftp.debian.org (130.89.148.12) 56(84) bytes of data.
64 bytes from klecker2.snt.utwente.nl (130.89.148.12): icmp_req=1 ttl=47
time=214 ms

--- ftp.debian.org ping statistics ---
1 packets transmitted, 1 received, 0% packet loss, time 0ms
rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 214.135/214.135/214.135/0.000 ms

PING ftp.debian.org (130.89.148.12) 56(84) bytes of data.
64 bytes from klecker2.snt.utwente.nl (130.89.148.12): icmp_req=1 ttl=47
time=214 ms

--- ftp.debian.org ping statistics ---
1 packets transmitted, 1 received, 0% packet loss, time 0ms
rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 214.135/214.135/214.135/0.000 ms

Wayne


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Patrick Bartek

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I use OpenDNS exclusively, and have for about 6 years.

http://www.opendns.com/

Never had any major problems.

> It is not my firewall causing this problem.Using
> arno-iptables-firewall on 6 dist's, 3 wheezy, 1 Testing & 1 Sid. The
> DNS problems are only on the 3 Wheezy dists. The Oldest wheezy dist
> was installed when Squeeze went stable and it was not having this
> problem until Wheezy went stable.
>

I'm running Wheezy 64-bit, and access the Internet through a stand-alone
router (Trendnet TEW-432BRP) where the DNS addresses are set. The
System only has the gateway address of the router, and I use the
router's built-in DHCP to assign the local network addresses, whether
wired or wireless. Never any problems.

I installed Wheezy with the Beta Installer a few months ago, updated &
dist-upgraded it regularly to Stable status. Never any issues.

FWIW, my system isn't a standard install. I did a Base install off the
NetInstall CD, then added feature by feature, app by app to get what I
wanted. Don't use a desktop environment, i.e. GNOME, KDE, XFCE, etc.,
just a window manager--Openbox--LXPanel and Debian Menu. Have no
session or login manager: Just boot to a terminal, login, startx. The
hardware it runs on is 1 to 7 years old, depending on which piece of
hardware. I initially custom built it in Dec 2006, but have added and
changed hardware since then including replacing the motherboard about 3
years ago. The original suddenly failed.

> I don't know if the problem was in Squeeze or not. I seldom used it
> as it had problems with X so my primary dist wad Wheezy.

Well, something is wrong. Do you have the same problem whether you're
using your ISP's or Google's DNS? Are you running your own router
software or do you use a stand-alone like I do? Dynamic or Static IP?

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Wayne Topa

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I am using a Verizon MiFi to connect to the net and have no idea which
DNS records are being used. I do know that with only the Verizon address
I sometime have long waits while connecting. I don't see how that would
matter because all of the network files on all 6 distros are exactly the
same and the problem does no exist in Testing or Sid
Are you running your own router
> software or do you use a stand-alone like I do? Dynamic or Static IP?

Nothing but the MiFi
> B
>

Wayne


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Brian

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On Tue 21 May 2013 at 14:44:06 -0400, Wayne Topa wrote:

> On 05/21/2013 12:44 PM, Brian wrote:
> > On Tue 21 May 2013 at 11:32:32 -0400, Wayne Topa wrote:
> >
> >> This is what I get I get from trying to find ftp.debian.org
> >>
> >>> topa@dj:~$ fping http://ftp.debian.org/debian
> >>> http://ftp.debian.org/debian address not found
> >>
> >> For some reason, which I haven't figured out, is why they are not found?
> >> DNS problem or ipv6 or ???
> >
> > I've occasionally done what you did by unjudicious copying and pasting!
> > You ping a host. 'http://' is not part of its name.
> >
> >
> Yes the results are confusing.

Which results?

You did

fping http://ftp.debian.org/debian

and

host http://ftp.debian.org/

In both cases you got 'not found' because you used the commands
inorrectly. You do not have a DND problem. What is confusing about that?

> topa@dj:~$ fping ftp.debian.org
> ftp.debian.org is alive
> wtopa@dj:~$ fping http://ftp.debian.org
> http://ftp.debian.org address not found <<but google finds it with this
> wtopa@dj:~$ ping http://ftp.debian.org

Google (or Iceweasel, or any other application) will resolve the address
for ftp.debian.org because it knows it is the the right thing to do.
Please follow in their footsteps.

> ping -c1 ftp.debian.org
> PING ftp.debian.org (130.89.148.12) 56(84) bytes of data.
> 64 bytes from klecker2.snt.utwente.nl (130.89.148.12): icmp_req=1 ttl=47
> time=214 ms
>
> --- ftp.debian.org ping statistics ---
> 1 packets transmitted, 1 received, 0% packet loss, time 0ms
> rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 214.135/214.135/214.135/0.000 ms
>
> PING ftp.debian.org (130.89.148.12) 56(84) bytes of data.
> 64 bytes from klecker2.snt.utwente.nl (130.89.148.12): icmp_req=1 ttl=47
> time=214 ms
>
> --- ftp.debian.org ping statistics ---
> 1 packets transmitted, 1 received, 0% packet loss, time 0ms
> rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 214.135/214.135/214.135/0.000 ms

This is ok.


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Lisi Reisz

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On Tuesday 21 May 2013 21:17:23 Brian wrote:
> On Tue 21 May 2013 at 14:44:06 -0400, Wayne Topa wrote:
> > On 05/21/2013 12:44 PM, Brian wrote:
> > > On Tue 21 May 2013 at 11:32:32 -0400, Wayne Topa wrote:
> > >> This is what I get I get from trying to find ftp.debian.org
> > >>
> > >>> topa@dj:~$ fping  http://ftp.debian.org/debian
> > >>> http://ftp.debian.org/debian address not found
> > >>
> > >> For some reason, which I haven't figured out, is why they are not
> > >> found? DNS problem or ipv6 or ???
> > >
> > > I've occasionally done what you did by unjudicious copying and pasting!
> > > You ping a host. 'http://' is not part of its name.
> >
> > Yes the results are confusing.

If you just want to check that everything is working, type
http://ftp.debian.org/debian
into a browser window.

If DNS were faulty, that too would fail, and you will find that it does not.

Lisi


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Wayne Topa

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On 05/21/2013 06:06 PM, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> On Tuesday 21 May 2013 21:17:23 Brian wrote:
>> On Tue 21 May 2013 at 14:44:06 -0400, Wayne Topa wrote:
>>> On 05/21/2013 12:44 PM, Brian wrote:
>>>> On Tue 21 May 2013 at 11:32:32 -0400, Wayne Topa wrote:
>>>>> This is what I get I get from trying to find ftp.debian.org
>>>>>
>>>>>> topa@dj:~$ fping http://ftp.debian.org/debian
>>>>>> http://ftp.debian.org/debian address not found
>>>>>
>>>>> For some reason, which I haven't figured out, is why they are not
>>>>> found? DNS problem or ipv6 or ???
>>>>
>>>> I've occasionally done what you did by unjudicious copying and pasting!
>>>> You ping a host. 'http://' is not part of its name.
>>>
>>> Yes the results are confusing.
>
> If you just want to check that everything is working, type
> http://ftp.debian.org/debian
> into a browser window.
>
> If DNS were faulty, that too would fail, and you will find that it does not.
>
> Lisi
>

Yes I can get there using iceweasel, but the problem was (is) they are
not working in /etc/apt/sources.list. Which is what this thread was about.

Thanks for the all the replies. Even the OT ones. Hans-j was the real
help as his post was most On Topic.

Best Regards
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Patrick Bartek

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> > [snip]
> >
> >> I don't know if the problem was in Squeeze or not. I seldom used
> >> it as it had problems with X so my primary dist wad Wheezy.
> >
> > Well, something is wrong. Do you have the same problem whether
> > you're using your ISP's or Google's DNS?
>
> I am using a Verizon MiFi to connect to the net and have no idea which
> DNS records are being used. I do know that with only the Verizon
> address I sometime have long waits while connecting. I don't see how
> that would matter because all of the network files on all 6 distros
> are exactly the same and the problem does no exist in Testing or Sid
> Are you running your own router
> > software or do you use a stand-alone like I do? Dynamic or Static
> > IP?
>
> Nothing but the MiFi

Maybe, the problem lies with Verizon and their systems. Have you
contacted tech support about it?

B


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Lisi Reisz

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On Wednesday 22 May 2013 00:31:14 Wayne Topa wrote:
> On 05/21/2013 06:06 PM, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> > On Tuesday 21 May 2013 21:17:23 Brian wrote:
> >> On Tue 21 May 2013 at 14:44:06 -0400, Wayne Topa wrote:
> >>> On 05/21/2013 12:44 PM, Brian wrote:
> >>>> On Tue 21 May 2013 at 11:32:32 -0400, Wayne Topa wrote:
> >>>>> This is what I get I get from trying to find ftp.debian.org
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> topa@dj:~$ fping http://ftp.debian.org/debian
> >>>>>> http://ftp.debian.org/debian address not found
> >>>>>
> >>>>> For some reason, which I haven't figured out, is why they are not
> >>>>> found? DNS problem or ipv6 or ???
> >>>>
> >>>> I've occasionally done what you did by unjudicious copying and
> >>>> pasting! You ping a host. 'http://' is not part of its name.
> >>>
> >>> Yes the results are confusing.
> >
> > If you just want to check that everything is working, type
> > http://ftp.debian.org/debian
> > into a browser window.
> >
> > If DNS were faulty, that too would fail, and you will find that it does
> > not.
> >
> > Lisi
>
> Yes I can get there using iceweasel, but the problem was (is) they are
> not working in /etc/apt/sources.list. Which is what this thread was about.

To find out why, and what is not working, you have first to establish what
_is_ working, and narrow down those things which cannot be the problem. To
do so is not OT. It is necessary. By this test you establish a) that DNS is
working and b) that there is not a problem with the website, both of which
were possible causes of your problem.

Lisi

> Thanks for the all the replies. Even the OT ones. Hans-j was the real
> help as his post was most On Topic.
>
> Best Regards
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> WT


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Andrei POPESCU

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On Lu, 20 mai 13, 20:29:48, Wayne Topa wrote:
> Using the instructions at <http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/>
> for a few days now, without success, I am getting the following
>
> " Could not connect to ftp.us.debian.org:80 (204.152.191.39). - connect
> (110: Connection timed out)"

Could you please post the verbatim output of 'apt-get update'?

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On 05/20/2013 08:29 PM, Wayne Topa wrote:
> Using the instructions at <http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/>
> for a few days now, without success, I am getting the following
____________________________________________
I Thought I had finished the above sentence when I sent this. My
apologizes to all who tried to help but couldn't due to "my" error.

The errors I am getting, see below, are the results from an
apt-get or aptitude update. Changing to the IP address, 204.152.191.39
allowed the update to complete.

Again I apologize for my error.
------------------------------------------------------------------
> " Could not connect to ftp.us.debian.org:80 (204.152.191.39). - connect
> (110: Connection timed out)"
>
> The same results with ftp.ca.debian.org, ftp.uk.debian.org. This
> started the day after Wheezy was released.
>
> I have not seen any posts about this so I assume I have missed.
> something.
>
> Sources list looks like this:
>
> deb http://ftp.ca.debian.org/debian wheezy-backports main
> deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian wheezy-backports main
> deb http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian wheezy-backports main
>
> Any idea what is screwed up?
>
> TIA
> --
> Wayne
>
>
>


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