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new ssd in dell optiplex 745, won't even load grub
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Gene Heskett
Oct 28, 2017, 2:40:04 PM10/28/17
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Greetings all;
I've partitioned and formatted this 64GB SSD, copied everything from both
working partitions of a 2TB drive to it, filling it up to a whopping
18%, edited the SSD's version of /etc/fstab to use the proper blkid's to
mount it including swap, and edited /boot/grub/device.map to point at
the /dev/disk/by-id description/identifier of the drive. And set the
first partitions boot flag.
But pull the 2TB, and plug its cables into the SSD, and grub is not
loading.
What did I miss?
Cheers, Gene Heskett
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I've partitioned and formatted this 64GB SSD, copied everything from both
working partitions of a 2TB drive to it, filling it up to a whopping
18%, edited the SSD's version of /etc/fstab to use the proper blkid's to
mount it including swap, and edited /boot/grub/device.map to point at
the /dev/disk/by-id description/identifier of the drive. And set the
first partitions boot flag.
But pull the 2TB, and plug its cables into the SSD, and grub is not
loading.
What did I miss?
Cheers, Gene Heskett
--
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>
deloptes
Oct 28, 2017, 2:50:03 PM10/28/17
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Gene Heskett wrote:
> But pull the 2TB, and plug its cables into the SSD, and grub is not
> loading.
>
> What did I miss?
In such case I boot from ubuntu usb and do
> But pull the 2TB, and plug its cables into the SSD, and grub is not
> loading.
>
> What did I miss?
mount /dev/sdaX /mnt
mount /dev/sdaY /mnt/boot
mount -B /proc /mnt/proc
mount -B /sys /mnt/sys
mount -B /dev /mnt/dev
chroot /mnt
grub-install /dev/sda
where sdaX is your root and sdaY is your boot (if you have such, else ommit)
I hope this helps
regards
PS: Also check bios if it points to boot from the SSD - some optiplex are
picky
Perhaps do this first
Roberto C. Sánchez
Oct 28, 2017, 2:50:03 PM10/28/17
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On Sat, Oct 28, 2017 at 02:31:36PM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> Greetings all;
>
> I've partitioned and formatted this 64GB SSD, copied everything from both
> working partitions of a 2TB drive to it, filling it up to a whopping
> 18%, edited the SSD's version of /etc/fstab to use the proper blkid's to
> mount it including swap, and edited /boot/grub/device.map to point at
> the /dev/disk/by-id description/identifier of the drive. And set the
> first partitions boot flag.
>
> But pull the 2TB, and plug its cables into the SSD, and grub is not
> loading.
>
> What did I miss?
>
When swapping boot devices, after I have done transferring the data and
> Greetings all;
>
> I've partitioned and formatted this 64GB SSD, copied everything from both
> working partitions of a 2TB drive to it, filling it up to a whopping
> 18%, edited the SSD's version of /etc/fstab to use the proper blkid's to
> mount it including swap, and edited /boot/grub/device.map to point at
> the /dev/disk/by-id description/identifier of the drive. And set the
> first partitions boot flag.
>
> But pull the 2TB, and plug its cables into the SSD, and grub is not
> loading.
>
> What did I miss?
>
while it is still plugged in as a secondary device, I do the following:
- Mount the new device somewhere (like /mnt)
- Mount the proc, devpts, and sysfs into /mnt
- Chroot into /mnt
- Run update-grub
After that, I shut everything down, remove the original drive, put the
replacement in as primary and everything works.
I just went through this a couple of months ago to replace a failing
drive in my laptop.
Regards,
-Roberto
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Roberto C. Sánchez
Gene Heskett
Oct 28, 2017, 3:20:03 PM10/28/17
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Gene Heskett
Oct 28, 2017, 3:30:03 PM10/28/17
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On Saturday 28 October 2017 14:43:12 deloptes wrote:
> Gene Heskett wrote:
> > But pull the 2TB, and plug its cables into the SSD, and grub is not
> > loading.
> >
> > What did I miss?
>
> In such case I boot from ubuntu usb and do
>
> mount /dev/sdaX /mnt
> mount /dev/sdaY /mnt/boot
> mount -B /proc /mnt/proc
> mount -B /sys /mnt/sys
> mount -B /dev /mnt/dev
>
> chroot /mnt
>
> grub-install /dev/sda
Don't have a buntu on a usb, so...
> Gene Heskett wrote:
> > But pull the 2TB, and plug its cables into the SSD, and grub is not
> > loading.
> >
> > What did I miss?
>
> In such case I boot from ubuntu usb and do
>
> mount /dev/sdaX /mnt
> mount /dev/sdaY /mnt/boot
> mount -B /proc /mnt/proc
> mount -B /sys /mnt/sys
> mount -B /dev /mnt/dev
>
> chroot /mnt
>
> grub-install /dev/sda
How about a normal boot to the 2TB drive, then
mount /dev/sdb3 /mnt
mount /dev/sdb1 /mnt/boot
mount -B /proc /mnt/proc
mount -B /sys /mnt/sys
mount -B /dev /mnt/dev
chroot /mnt
grub-install /dev/sdb
mount -B /sys /mnt/sys
mount -B /dev /mnt/dev
chroot /mnt
> where sdaX is your root and sdaY is your boot (if you have such, else
> ommit)
>
> I hope this helps
>
> regards
>
> PS: Also check bios if it points to boot from the SSD - some optiplex
> are picky
socket options. It errors and locks up if a sata socket is enabled, but
no drive attached. So I've hit the f2 key quite a few times so far this
afternoon. :(
It also does not say anything about ssd's in the boot sequence bios menu.
Bios is 2.3.1, I wonder if a newer one might still be available?
> Perhaps do this first
Thanks Deloptes.
Roberto C. Sánchez
Oct 28, 2017, 3:40:03 PM10/28/17
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On Sat, Oct 28, 2017 at 03:28:46PM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
>
> mount /dev/sdb3 /mnt
> mount /dev/sdb1 /mnt/boot
> mount -B /proc /mnt/proc
> mount -B /sys /mnt/sys
> mount -B /dev /mnt/dev
>
The last three should be:
>
> mount /dev/sdb3 /mnt
> mount /dev/sdb1 /mnt/boot
> mount -B /proc /mnt/proc
> mount -B /sys /mnt/sys
> mount -B /dev /mnt/dev
>
mount -t proc /mnt/proc
mount -t sysfs /mnt/sys
mount -t devpts /mnt/dev/pts
Pascal Hambourg
Oct 28, 2017, 4:20:03 PM10/28/17
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Le 28/10/2017 à 21:37, Roberto C. Sánchez a écrit :
> On Sat, Oct 28, 2017 at 03:28:46PM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
>>
>> mount /dev/sdb3 /mnt
>> mount /dev/sdb1 /mnt/boot
>> mount -B /proc /mnt/proc
>> mount -B /sys /mnt/sys
>> mount -B /dev /mnt/dev
>>
> The last three should be:
>
> mount -t proc /mnt/proc
> mount -t sysfs /mnt/sys
> mount -t devpts /mnt/dev/pts
Doesn't mount expect a filesystem location even it is not used ?
> On Sat, Oct 28, 2017 at 03:28:46PM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
>>
>> mount /dev/sdb3 /mnt
>> mount /dev/sdb1 /mnt/boot
>> mount -B /proc /mnt/proc
>> mount -B /sys /mnt/sys
>> mount -B /dev /mnt/dev
>>
> The last three should be:
>
> mount -t proc /mnt/proc
> mount -t sysfs /mnt/sys
> mount -t devpts /mnt/dev/pts
Also, /dev is not going to mount itself on its own.
mount -t devtmpfs dev /mnt/dev
mount -t proc proc /mnt/proc
mount -t sysfs sysfs /mnt/sys
...
David Christensen
Oct 28, 2017, 5:10:04 PM10/28/17
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On 10/28/17 11:31, Gene Heskett wrote:
> Greetings all;
>
> I've partitioned and formatted this 64GB SSD, copied everything from both
> working partitions of a 2TB drive to it, filling it up to a whopping
> 18%, edited the SSD's version of /etc/fstab to use the proper blkid's to
> mount it including swap, and edited /boot/grub/device.map to point at
> the /dev/disk/by-id description/identifier of the drive. And set the
> first partitions boot flag.
>
> But pull the 2TB, and plug its cables into the SSD, and grub is not
> loading.
>
> What did I miss?
For system drives, I use dd to copy raw drive contents from one device
> Greetings all;
>
> I've partitioned and formatted this 64GB SSD, copied everything from both
> working partitions of a 2TB drive to it, filling it up to a whopping
> 18%, edited the SSD's version of /etc/fstab to use the proper blkid's to
> mount it including swap, and edited /boot/grub/device.map to point at
> the /dev/disk/by-id description/identifier of the drive. And set the
> first partitions boot flag.
>
> But pull the 2TB, and plug its cables into the SSD, and grub is not
> loading.
>
> What did I miss?
to an image file, from one device to another device, and from an image
file to a device:
partition table/ boot loader
boot partition
encrypted swap partition
encrypted boot partition
For this to work:
1. I use BIOS firmware and MS-DOS partition tables.
2. The destination device needs to have at least as many blocks
available as were used by the source device. I have several 16 GB SSD's
and 16 GB USB 3.0 flash drives for this purpose. As different "16 GB"
devices can have a similar, but unequal, number of blocks, I typically
use no more than 90% of the available space when I install.
Given your significant size mismatch (2 TB -> 64 GB), and possible UEFI
and/or GPT, you might want to use a more sophisticated tool. Clonezilla
comes to mind.
David
Gene Heskett
Oct 28, 2017, 5:30:03 PM10/28/17
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to $DIETY.
Which (clonezilla) may fix what I think is the last problem. I have it
booting now, but my gui login to TDE says my passwd is not good. But
goto the login's menu and select a console login, and there it works.
Since this gui is TDE, I've asked Slavek what might be wrong & how to fix
it. TDE has its own tdepasswd, but needs a working gui to run, so I'm
screwed either way.
So, I'll saddle up and go get my missus a paper so she can have her daily
crossword fix, and see what Slavek or Timothy has to say.
Thanks.
Felix Miata
Oct 28, 2017, 8:30:03 PM10/28/17
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Gene Heskett composed on 2017-10-28 15:28 (UTC-0400):
> Bios is 2.3.1, I wonder if a newer one might still be available?
My 745 has 2.6.2. Primary Grub is on /dev/sda3 on 1TB rust. I downloaded BIOS
2.6.6, but never got an urge to install it. Download page also offers 2.6.4:
<http://www.dell.com/support/home/us/en/19/product-support/servicetag/901dsc1/drivers>
Better to cut, paste, and edit in your own 7 digit service tag.
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> Bios is 2.3.1, I wonder if a newer one might still be available?
2.6.6, but never got an urge to install it. Download page also offers 2.6.4:
<http://www.dell.com/support/home/us/en/19/product-support/servicetag/901dsc1/drivers>
Better to cut, paste, and edit in your own 7 digit service tag.
--
"Wisdom is supreme; therefore get wisdom. Whatever else you
get, get wisdom." Proverbs 4:7 (New Living Translation)
Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks!
Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/
Gene Heskett
Oct 28, 2017, 9:50:03 PM10/28/17
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On Saturday 28 October 2017 20:23:33 Felix Miata wrote:
> Gene Heskett composed on 2017-10-28 15:28 (UTC-0400):
> > Bios is 2.3.1, I wonder if a newer one might still be available?
>
Gee, thats ancient compared to yours. :(
> Gene Heskett composed on 2017-10-28 15:28 (UTC-0400):
> > Bios is 2.3.1, I wonder if a newer one might still be available?
>
> My 745 has 2.6.2. Primary Grub is on /dev/sda3 on 1TB rust. I
> downloaded BIOS 2.6.6, but never got an urge to install it. Download
> page also offers 2.6.4:
> <http://www.dell.com/support/home/us/en/19/product-support/servicetag/
>901dsc1/drivers> Better to cut, paste, and edit in your own 7 digit
> service tag.
and reboot to the cd?
Thank you Felix.
Felix Miata
Oct 28, 2017, 10:50:04 PM10/28/17
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Gene Heskett composed on 2017-10-28 21:43 (UTC-0400):
> On Saturday 28 October 2017 20:23:33 Felix Miata wrote:
>> Gene Heskett composed on 2017-10-28 15:28 (UTC-0400):
>> > Bios is 2.3.1, I wonder if a newer one might still be available?
> Gee, thats ancient compared to yours. :(
>> My 745 has 2.6.2. Primary Grub is on /dev/sda3 on 1TB rust. I
>> downloaded BIOS 2.6.6, but never got an urge to install it. Download
>> page also offers 2.6.4:
>> <http://www.dell.com/support/home/us/en/19/product-support/servicetag/901dsc1/drivers> >> Better to cut, paste, and edit in your own 7 digit service tag.
> I'll have to get it, I saw it in the bios. I assume its put it on a cd
> and reboot to the cd?
CD boot to flash a BIOS is not something I can recall ever trying. I boot DOS to
run DOS flashing utilities, which vary from brand to brand and model to model.
Though my 745 has a floppy drive, apparently I never tried to do it yet, but I
do know I've successfully upgraded a bunch of OptiPlex BIOSes, starting way back
with the 110.
I commonly have a bootable DOS sda1 on my multiboot machines and use it.
Otherwise I most often do a temporary HD swap that I have added the flashing
utility and/or BIOS file to by attaching it by eSATA or USB to whatever machine
downloaded the update(s). Making a USB stick bootable to DOS is something else I
can't recall ever trying yet. Lots of machines here can't boot USB.
http://www.dell.com/support/home/us/en/19/drivers/driversdetails?driverId=GRJ7T
does have a crude instruction how to proceed with flashing the 745. If your 745
has no floppy drive I think you'll probably have to use USB to suffer through
this one on your own, or with help from http://www.bootdisk.com/ and/or
something from http://www.freedos.org/ . The 2.6.6 BIOS file is barely more than
half the capacity of a 3.5" floppy.
Whether your old 745 BIOS in fact has anything to do with Grub failure is
another matter. :-p
> On Saturday 28 October 2017 20:23:33 Felix Miata wrote:
>> Gene Heskett composed on 2017-10-28 15:28 (UTC-0400):
>> > Bios is 2.3.1, I wonder if a newer one might still be available?
> Gee, thats ancient compared to yours. :(
>> My 745 has 2.6.2. Primary Grub is on /dev/sda3 on 1TB rust. I
>> downloaded BIOS 2.6.6, but never got an urge to install it. Download
>> page also offers 2.6.4:
> I'll have to get it, I saw it in the bios. I assume its put it on a cd
> and reboot to the cd?
run DOS flashing utilities, which vary from brand to brand and model to model.
Though my 745 has a floppy drive, apparently I never tried to do it yet, but I
do know I've successfully upgraded a bunch of OptiPlex BIOSes, starting way back
with the 110.
I commonly have a bootable DOS sda1 on my multiboot machines and use it.
Otherwise I most often do a temporary HD swap that I have added the flashing
utility and/or BIOS file to by attaching it by eSATA or USB to whatever machine
downloaded the update(s). Making a USB stick bootable to DOS is something else I
can't recall ever trying yet. Lots of machines here can't boot USB.
http://www.dell.com/support/home/us/en/19/drivers/driversdetails?driverId=GRJ7T
does have a crude instruction how to proceed with flashing the 745. If your 745
has no floppy drive I think you'll probably have to use USB to suffer through
this one on your own, or with help from http://www.bootdisk.com/ and/or
something from http://www.freedos.org/ . The 2.6.6 BIOS file is barely more than
half the capacity of a 3.5" floppy.
Whether your old 745 BIOS in fact has anything to do with Grub failure is
another matter. :-p
Gene Heskett
Oct 29, 2017, 12:10:04 AM10/29/17
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finding one that actually works. Even if removed and cleaned and lubed.
> Whether your old 745 BIOS in fact has anything to do with Grub failure
> is another matter. :-p
row to fix that since I posted, with some help of course. So we're
booting ok now, if at the downright leasurely pace of a trs-80 color
computer. :) Post on this thing is glacial. But once posted, it begins
to wake up and act like a 3.4 GHz Pentium D that it claims it is,
marching along at a more reasonable pace.
Thanks Felix.
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