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Bruce H.

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Oct 19, 2022, 1:00:05 AM10/19/22

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Why do you have to make it so hard to sign up to the user forums?
Auto gen passwords do not work, and the requirements are excessive!
Antispam question #1 makes no sense.
No (show text) for passwords.
Confirmation item (shield for window) makes no sense.
I'VE NEVER SEEN ANYTHING SO STUPID. (67yr old, been using nothing but Ubuntu and Mint and other Linux OS's since 2006. Started with SuSe Professional 8.2 on CD's - 2003)
Wouldn't be here but for lack of basic apps that are standard on EVERY other OS I've ever installed and that's a lot of different systems in 16 years.
Cant even find a app for formatting disks, HD's or USB sticks.
Am I going to have to find another distro or can you all get your shit together so I can join the forums and use a Debian distro?
I know how to get around a lot of things, but why are you making everything so hard? Having to install every needed app by hand that should be included in the OS as standard!

Sincerely, Bruce Harrington

to...@tuxteam.de

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Oct 19, 2022, 2:10:06 AM10/19/22

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On Wed, Oct 19, 2022 at 04:30:22AM +0000, Bruce H. wrote:

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> Am I going to have to find another distro or can you all get your shit together so I can join the forums and use a Debian distro?

You might want to work on your social skills. This won't lead to
people feeling motivated to help you in their free time.

You might get away with yelling like that at some poor sod working
at a call center, because (s)he has no choice but to get some bread
for her & her children (although that would be even more disgusting
behaviour).

But here, we all are investing our free time.

Cheers
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t

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john doe

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Oct 19, 2022, 2:40:06 AM10/19/22

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On 10/19/22 06:30, Bruce H. wrote:
> Why do you have to make it so hard to sign up to the user forums?
>

If you do not like it, feel free to make the signing process easier.
The more contributers the better it will be!

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John Doe

Curt

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Oct 19, 2022, 5:20:06 AM10/19/22

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On 2022-10-19, Bruce H. <bt...@juno.com> wrote:

> Am I going to have to find another distro or can you all get your shit together so I can join the forums and use a Debian distro?

You don't need to join anything. Just point your newsreader to
'news.gmane.io'; 'gmane.linux.debian.user'.

Anyhow, maybe if you can't figure out how to sign up, they're filtering
potential users by technical ability.

:-)

Frank

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Oct 19, 2022, 5:41:00 AM10/19/22

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Op 19-10-2022 om 11:16 schreef Curt:

He's rambling about forums. I think he may be confusing the mailing
lists with the actual forums at forums.debian.net.

Maude Summerside

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Oct 19, 2022, 5:50:06 AM10/19/22

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Whatever he's doing, it's not a nice and proper way to do it.

It's like asking "who's the moron that is gonna help me for free", the
answer is slow but always the same : none
>

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Andrew M.A. Cater

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Oct 19, 2022, 6:50:05 AM10/19/22

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On Wed, Oct 19, 2022 at 04:30:22AM +0000, Bruce H. wrote:

Hi Bruce,

> Why do you have to make it so hard to sign up to the user forums?

Much of Debian is conducted via email and mailing lists. Some of the
reasons for this are historical - we've been doing this for 29 years -
and some are practical. List archives stick around and can be readily
searchable. Forums are much newer for us and (relatively) unofficial
in that sense.

The FAQ over there at https://forums.debian.net/app.php/help/faq may help.

> Auto gen passwords do not work, and the requirements are excessive!
> Antispam question #1 makes no sense.
> No (show text) for passwords.
> Confirmation item (shield for window) makes no sense.

I'd suggest you contact a board administrator as suggested in the FAQ there.

> I'VE NEVER SEEN ANYTHING SO STUPID. (67yr old, been using nothing but Ubuntu and Mint and other Linux OS's since 2006. Started with SuSe Professional 8.2 on CD's - 2003)

I'm pleased for you that this is your first experience of problems on any
Linux system and would be very happy to help troubleshoot them for you.

I'm the person that writes the FAQ message that goes out on this list on
the first of every month - if I've missed something, lets work together
on making this experience better. I would remind every participant in
the list that the Code of Conduct applies, to be constructive and welcoming
as far as you can.

> Wouldn't be here but for lack of basic apps that are standard on EVERY other OS I've ever installed and that's a lot of different systems in 16 years.

Ah, OK. Which version of Debian have you installed - number/codename?
How did you install and what GUI are you using?
Unlike Ubuntu, Debian will allow you to install one of several GUIs - there
aren't separate versions per desktop like Xubuntu and so on.

If you've come from Ubuntu and Mint (which are Debian-based) then I'm
guessing you are familiar with apt and installing packages - maybe via a GUI
front end?

> Cant even find a app for formatting disks, HD's or USB sticks.

GNOME Disks, Gparted ...

> Am I going to have to find another distro or can you all get your shit together so I can join the forums and use a Debian distro?

You've been *using* a Debian-based distro since 2006: you're now using Debian
itself. Many of the core applications are identical in every one of the
200 or so Debian derivatives although they do differ. (Our expertise here
is primarily Debian itself - any other advice we give on Ubuntu etc. can
only ever be on a best endeavours basis and we always reserve the right
to say that people need to ask the other distribution for advice on what they
do there.)

> I know how to get around a lot of things, but why are you making everything so hard? Having to install every needed app by hand that should be included in the OS as standard!
>

What do you _actually_ need that you can't find and hasn't been installed?
What are the problems you're facing? If you can help us to help you rather
than venting, it'll go further. I *know* the frustration of something just
not working and needing to take it out on somebody/anybody but as an initial
appearance on the mailing list, this could have been phrased more
constructively and put your undoubted experience in a better light.

> Sincerely, Bruce Harrington
>

With every good wish, as ever,

Andy Cater

Paul Johnson

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Oct 19, 2022, 8:00:06 AM10/19/22

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On Tue, Oct 18, 2022 at 11:54 PM Bruce H. <bt...@juno.com> wrote:

Why do you have to make it so hard to sign up to the user forums?
Auto gen passwords do not work, and the requirements are excessive!

Was previously unaware Debian had a web forum. Why bother when we have mailing lists that have none of these problems?

Dan Ritter

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Oct 19, 2022, 8:50:06 AM10/19/22

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Some people have strong preferences.

If I had a lot of time to donate to the project, I would try to
advocate for adopting the D-lang forum software for Debian,
which is a unified system that keeps the same content and
threading across:

usenet newsgroup
web forum / mailing list archive
mailing list

Unfortunately, I don't have that time right now.

-dsr-

The Wanderer

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Oct 19, 2022, 9:01:19 AM10/19/22

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While I don't have experience with anything that uses this software, so
I can't say for certain that my expectations apply to it, I would expect
this to produce bad results.

The reason is simple:

The quoting practices that are correct and appropriate on Usenet and in
E-mail (where only one message has its contents visible at a time) are
not the same as, and in fact are likely to conflict with, the quoting
practices that are correct and appropriate on a Web forum (where the
contents of multiple messages are typically visible at the same time).

So either you wind up with people quoting correctly for the mailing list
/ newsgroup interfaces, and thereby quoting too much for the Web-forum
interface, or quoting correctly for the Web-forum interface, and thereby
not quoting enough material for the mailing list / newsgroup interfaces.
(And given past observations in various contexts, I'd expect it to be
disproportionately the latter.)

If that doesn't happen in practice, I'd be all for the idea, but as far
as I can recall I have yet to encounter a case where it doesn't. We
already get too many examples of people failing to quote correctly even
here on this mailing list, without having actively brought Web-based
interfaces into it.

(If the Web-forum system involved were one which does display only one
message body at a time, that would probably avoid that consideration -
but it would also introduce dissonance for the people who want to use a
Web interface, since it's so atypical of Web fora in general that it
would probably be a considerable mismatch with their expectations.)

--
The Wanderer

The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one
persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all
progress depends on the unreasonable man. -- George Bernard Shaw

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Michael Stone

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Oct 19, 2022, 9:20:05 AM10/19/22

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On Wed, Oct 19, 2022 at 08:57:54AM -0400, The Wanderer wrote:
>If that doesn't happen in practice, I'd be all for the idea, but as far
>as I can recall I have yet to encounter a case where it doesn't. We
>already get too many examples of people failing to quote correctly even
>here on this mailing list, without having actively brought Web-based
>interfaces into it.

And, sadly, some people just can't let it go and insist on long threads
berating people for incorrect quoting, instead of just either ignoring
the message or focusing on the substance.

Tom Browder

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Oct 19, 2022, 9:20:05 AM10/19/22

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On Tue, Oct 18, 2022 at 23:54 Bruce H. <bt...@juno.com> wrote:

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Am I going to have to find another distro or can you all get your shit together

I'm sorry you felt you had to resort to gutter language. That doesn't help your cause.

-Tom