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bruno evangelista
Sep 12, 2014, 12:00:04 PM9/12/14
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Gentleman,
My computer accepted the installation of "Debian Jessie" and at the end of the installation once the computer tray automatically opened I took the DVD out as the iso file requested. After that I clicked on "Continue" and the computer shut down and automatically restarted and stopped at this:
First stage Debian GNU/Linux Bootstrap
Press I for GNU/Linux
Press c for CDROM
Stage 1 Boot:
Loading second stage bootstrap...
I am stuck at that for a long time. There is nothing I can do with my computer.
I have tried other things but nothing worked. I have tried it by holding the T key after turning on the computer. It goes to a screen where a huge sort of icon keeps moving on the screen of the computer but it shows me nothing else. It does not let me do anything. I have tried holding Alt+Command+O+F but "Open Firmware" just gives me two options: "shut down" or "mac-boot". When I type on mac-boot the computer goes back to:
First stage Debian GNU/Linux Bootstrap
Press I for GNU/Linux
Press c for CDROM
Stage 1 Boot:
Loading second stage bootstrap...
I have tried to install other Linux programs so it would erase "Debian Jessie" from my computer. In fact, I have right now the very same DVD with Ubuntu iso file in the tray inside the computer. It did install Ubuntu previously in my computer before my attempt to installed "Debian Jessie". When I hold the c key when I start the computer it will replace (for about 30 seconds) the last line that reads "Loading second stage bootstrap..." with "Loadind CD ROM...". See it below.
First stage Debian GNU/Linux Bootstrap
Press I for GNU/Linux
Press c for CDROM
Stage 1 Boot:
Loadind CD ROM... (it will show this line for about 30 seconds)
Loading second stage bootstrap... (after 30 seconds this line will show again)
When it returns to "Loading second stage bootstrap..." it does not do anything and I can't get out of it.
Please, can someone help me.
Bruno
My computer accepted the installation of "Debian Jessie" and at the end of the installation once the computer tray automatically opened I took the DVD out as the iso file requested. After that I clicked on "Continue" and the computer shut down and automatically restarted and stopped at this:
First stage Debian GNU/Linux Bootstrap
Press I for GNU/Linux
Press c for CDROM
Stage 1 Boot:
Loading second stage bootstrap...
I am stuck at that for a long time. There is nothing I can do with my computer.
I have tried other things but nothing worked. I have tried it by holding the T key after turning on the computer. It goes to a screen where a huge sort of icon keeps moving on the screen of the computer but it shows me nothing else. It does not let me do anything. I have tried holding Alt+Command+O+F but "Open Firmware" just gives me two options: "shut down" or "mac-boot". When I type on mac-boot the computer goes back to:
First stage Debian GNU/Linux Bootstrap
Press I for GNU/Linux
Press c for CDROM
Stage 1 Boot:
Loading second stage bootstrap...
I have tried to install other Linux programs so it would erase "Debian Jessie" from my computer. In fact, I have right now the very same DVD with Ubuntu iso file in the tray inside the computer. It did install Ubuntu previously in my computer before my attempt to installed "Debian Jessie". When I hold the c key when I start the computer it will replace (for about 30 seconds) the last line that reads "Loading second stage bootstrap..." with "Loadind CD ROM...". See it below.
First stage Debian GNU/Linux Bootstrap
Press I for GNU/Linux
Press c for CDROM
Stage 1 Boot:
Loadind CD ROM... (it will show this line for about 30 seconds)
Loading second stage bootstrap... (after 30 seconds this line will show again)
When it returns to "Loading second stage bootstrap..." it does not do anything and I can't get out of it.
Please, can someone help me.
Bruno
Steven Chamberlain
Sep 13, 2014, 2:50:01 PM9/13/14
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On 12/09/14 04:35, bruno evangelista wrote:
> [...] I have right now the very same DVD with Ubuntu iso
> file in the tray inside the computer. When I start the computer and
> hold c key nothing happens. If I shut down the computer and restart it
> I have exactly the same thing on the screen right from its start. If I
> with "*Loadind CD ROM...".* But then it returns to *"Loading second
> stage bootstrap...". *It does not do anything after that and **I can't
> get out of it.
I'm sorry, I don't know enough about the Power Mac G4 to help with this.
I suspect you might have a hardware problem. You could also try to ask
in Ubuntu user forums about this.
I can only suggest to disconnect the internal hard drive to see if it is
still possible to boot from the CD/DVDs that worked before.
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> [...] I have right now the very same DVD with Ubuntu iso
> file in the tray inside the computer. When I start the computer and
> hold c key nothing happens. If I shut down the computer and restart it
> I have exactly the same thing on the screen right from its start. If I
> hold the c key when I start the computer it will replace (for about 30
> seconds) the last line that reads *"Loading second stage bootstrap..."*
> with "*Loadind CD ROM...".* But then it returns to *"Loading second
> stage bootstrap...". *It does not do anything after that and **I can't
> get out of it.
I'm sorry, I don't know enough about the Power Mac G4 to help with this.
I suspect you might have a hardware problem. You could also try to ask
in Ubuntu user forums about this.
I can only suggest to disconnect the internal hard drive to see if it is
still possible to boot from the CD/DVDs that worked before.
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Rick Thomas
Sep 21, 2014, 10:10:02 PM9/21/14
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Hi Bruno
Hi Steve
Did you ever get this working for you? I’m a happy user of Debian Wheezy Gnu/Linux on some Apple G4 and G5 Macintosh machines, so I may be able to help.
Bruno: If you haven’t succeeded yet, and you are willing to try again, I’ll try to walk you through the steps…
First, what kind of Mac are you trying to install Debian Gnu/Linux on? e.g. iMac-G5, or PowerBook-G4 or what exactly?
When you reply as we go through the steps, please describe - step by step, in as much detail as you can - what you are doing and what happens when you do it.
I’m going to assume you have a working modern Mac that you can use to download and burn the iso for your installation.
I think your best bet is to start from the “Stable” (Debian 7.6.0, code-named “Wheezy”) release at:
http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.6.0/powerpc/iso-cd/debian-7.6.0-powerpc-netinst.iso
Download it to your Desktop.
Once you have it downloaded, in a terminal window type:
cd Desktop
md5 debian-7.6.0-powerpc-netinst.iso
It will return a checksum for the iso file. It should look like this:
MD5 (debian-7.6.0-powerpc-netinst.iso) = bdf612b70fe4d589a6458ec49c85421d
If the checksum doesn’t look exactly like that, let me know and we’ll figure out how to proceed.
The “netinst” image is small enough to fit on a CD-R. You don’t need a DVD-R blank, though you can use one if you don’t have a CD-R handy.
If you get a successful checksum, you should burn the iso file to a blank CD-R using the “Disk Utility” program in the “Utilities” folder (“cmd-shift-U” in the Finder) on your Mac. Make sure you get the “burned successfully” window from disk-utility.
Put the resulting CD in the tray of the target machine (your G4 or G5). Hold down the “c” key and turn the power on. It should boot the Debian installer.
Give me a report on what you see, and we’ll proceed from there. It’s probably best to CC to the PowerPC mailing list “debian-...@lists.debian.org” and the debian-user list “debia...@lists.debian.org” as well, so that the experienced users on those lists can offer us help if they feel like it.
Enjoy!
Rick
Rick Thomas
Sep 22, 2014, 3:40:02 AM9/22/14
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Hi Bruno,
Based on what you describe, the Jessie installer did not properly install the second level bootstrap routine. For the PowerPC Macs, that program is called “yaboot”. On the x86 hardware that program is called Grub2, which is what Steve was talking about. As he said, he does not have any PowerPC hardware, so he’s using the terminology he’s used to. I’ll try to stick with the correct terminology for this hardware.
Please be as explicit as possible when you describe what you see. There’s lots of background information I don’t have about your situation and things will go much slower if I have to guess at things you could have told me in the beginning.
Just to be certain, does your Mac look like the one on this web page?
http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/powermac_g5/specs/powermac_g5_1.6.html
If not, please look around on the everymac.com website and report back with the web page that does look like your machine.
If your computer is *really* a G5, not a G4, I’d recommend you *not* use Jessie (also known as “Testing”). There are some serious bugs in Jessie on PowerPC G5 hardware that you almost certainly want to avoid.{1}
Now, You didn’t say so, but I’m guessing from what you do say that this is your only Macintosh machine and, because it won’t boot, you believe you have no way of downloading a Wheezy iso. If so, that’s the first problem we have to solve: Can you borrow a friend’s Windows PC? You don’t have to have a Mac to download and burn a CD-R for Debian PowerPC. You can do it just as well under Windows — or Linux.
If you can make a Wheezy “netinst” disk on some other computer (Windows, Linux or Mac) please let me know and we’ll take it one step at a time from there.
Does that help?
Rick
{1} For some reason, those bugs don’t manifest themselves on the G4 hardware, so if it’s *really* a G4 machine you can use Jessie, but if you’re not absolutely sure which it is, I’d stick with Wheezy (also known as “Stable”) if I were you.
On Sep 21, 2014, at 8:39 PM, bruno evangelista <brunoeva...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Rick,
>
> First of all thank you for your email and I am grateful to you for any help you can give me. I really hope you can help me.
>
> I was trying to install Debian (Jessie) in my Power Mac G5. I knew Debian runs well in this machine according to what I read on the internet.
>
> The computer accepted the installation and once the computer tray automatically opened I was instructed to take out the DVD with the Iso file. So I did and then on screen I clicked "Continue". A moment latter the computer shut down and automatically restarted and this is what it was and still is saying on the screen:
>
> When I shut down the computer and restart it I have exactly the same thing on the screen.
>
> I can't get out of it. I am stuck.
>
> Then, I can try to install Wheezy version. But first, I need to know how do I get out of it.
>
> Please, could you help me?
>
> Bruno
>
> > Subject: Re: Power Mac G4 stuck "Loading second stage bootstrap"
> > From: rbth...@pobox.com
> > Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2014 19:08:25 -0700
> > CC: debia...@lists.debian.org; debian-...@lists.debian.org
> > To: brunoeva...@hotmail.com
> <Power Mac G5 Spec-2.PNG>
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Based on what you describe, the Jessie installer did not properly install the second level bootstrap routine. For the PowerPC Macs, that program is called “yaboot”. On the x86 hardware that program is called Grub2, which is what Steve was talking about. As he said, he does not have any PowerPC hardware, so he’s using the terminology he’s used to. I’ll try to stick with the correct terminology for this hardware.
Please be as explicit as possible when you describe what you see. There’s lots of background information I don’t have about your situation and things will go much slower if I have to guess at things you could have told me in the beginning.
Just to be certain, does your Mac look like the one on this web page?
http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/powermac_g5/specs/powermac_g5_1.6.html
If not, please look around on the everymac.com website and report back with the web page that does look like your machine.
If your computer is *really* a G5, not a G4, I’d recommend you *not* use Jessie (also known as “Testing”). There are some serious bugs in Jessie on PowerPC G5 hardware that you almost certainly want to avoid.{1}
Now, You didn’t say so, but I’m guessing from what you do say that this is your only Macintosh machine and, because it won’t boot, you believe you have no way of downloading a Wheezy iso. If so, that’s the first problem we have to solve: Can you borrow a friend’s Windows PC? You don’t have to have a Mac to download and burn a CD-R for Debian PowerPC. You can do it just as well under Windows — or Linux.
If you can make a Wheezy “netinst” disk on some other computer (Windows, Linux or Mac) please let me know and we’ll take it one step at a time from there.
Does that help?
Rick
{1} For some reason, those bugs don’t manifest themselves on the G4 hardware, so if it’s *really* a G4 machine you can use Jessie, but if you’re not absolutely sure which it is, I’d stick with Wheezy (also known as “Stable”) if I were you.
On Sep 21, 2014, at 8:39 PM, bruno evangelista <brunoeva...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Rick,
>
> First of all thank you for your email and I am grateful to you for any help you can give me. I really hope you can help me.
>
> I was trying to install Debian (Jessie) in my Power Mac G5. I knew Debian runs well in this machine according to what I read on the internet.
>
> The computer accepted the installation and once the computer tray automatically opened I was instructed to take out the DVD with the Iso file. So I did and then on screen I clicked "Continue". A moment latter the computer shut down and automatically restarted and this is what it was and still is saying on the screen:
>
> First stage Debian GNU/Linux Bootstrap
>
> Press I for GNU/Linux
> Press c for CDROM
>
> Stage 1 Boot:
> Loading second stage bootstrap...
>
> Nothing happened after that.
> First stage Debian GNU/Linux Bootstrap
>
> Press I for GNU/Linux
> Press c for CDROM
>
> Stage 1 Boot:
> Loading second stage bootstrap...
>
>
> When I shut down the computer and restart it I have exactly the same thing on the screen.
>
> I can't get out of it. I am stuck.
>
> Then, I can try to install Wheezy version. But first, I need to know how do I get out of it.
>
> Please, could you help me?
>
> Bruno
>
> > Subject: Re: Power Mac G4 stuck "Loading second stage bootstrap"
> > From: rbth...@pobox.com
> > Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2014 19:08:25 -0700
> > CC: debia...@lists.debian.org; debian-...@lists.debian.org
> > To: brunoeva...@hotmail.com
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Rick Thomas
Sep 23, 2014, 5:00:02 AM9/23/14
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Hi Bruno,
I haven’t been called “Ricky” by anyone since the last of my aunt’s died 10 years ago! It feels kinda sweet. But let’s stick with plain old “Rick”.
OK, so you’ve got a Wheezy netinst CD. and it’s really a G5 (they are kind of rare, so I wanted to be sure — one of my machines is almost identical!)
Without a working OS, you will need to find a way to eject the CD tray in order to boot from it. Here’s the trick:
Turn on the machine while holding down the “ALT” key. After the “bong” it will show a graphical screen with a little spinning “wrist-watch” cursor (probably in the upper left corner). There will also be an icon in the middle of the screen that is supposed to represent a hard disk. It may have a little picture of Tux, the Linux penguin. That represents your hard disk with the broken Jessie Gnu/Linux. The cursor will spin for about a minute (it will feel like a long time, but I think it’s really only about 60 seconds) and eventually turn into an arrow cursor. While the cursor is spinning the keyboard will be unresponsive. Once it stops spinning you can proceed. At this point, hit the “eject” key on your keyboard (triangle pointing upwards with a line under it) and the CD tray will eject.
Put the CD in the G5’s drive-tray and close the tray. The cursor will go back to spinning for another minute. When it stops, there will be two icons in the middle of the screen. One will be the “disk” that we saw before, the other will represent the install CD. Hit the “tab” key (or use the mouse) to highlight the CD icon. Then hit the return key and it will boot from the CD.
You will get a “boot:” prompt and some explanatory text before it. Hit the “tab” key to see a list of the various ways to install Wheezy. You want the simplest-possible option, with the minimum-effort. So type “install” at the prompt. Hit “return” and you’re off and installing!
Answer all the questions. If you get to any questions you don’t understand, send me an email and I’ll try to guide you through it.
Enjoy!
Rick
On Sep 22, 2014, at 8:51 PM, bruno evangelista <brunoeva...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> You said: If you can make a Wheezy “netinst” disk on some other computer (Windows, Linux or Mac) please let me know and we’ll take it one step at a time from there. It is done.
>
> You said: We’ll take it one step at a time from there. I say: I am eager for the next steps.
>
> Thank you very much, Ricky.
>
> Bruno
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I haven’t been called “Ricky” by anyone since the last of my aunt’s died 10 years ago! It feels kinda sweet. But let’s stick with plain old “Rick”.
OK, so you’ve got a Wheezy netinst CD. and it’s really a G5 (they are kind of rare, so I wanted to be sure — one of my machines is almost identical!)
Without a working OS, you will need to find a way to eject the CD tray in order to boot from it. Here’s the trick:
Turn on the machine while holding down the “ALT” key. After the “bong” it will show a graphical screen with a little spinning “wrist-watch” cursor (probably in the upper left corner). There will also be an icon in the middle of the screen that is supposed to represent a hard disk. It may have a little picture of Tux, the Linux penguin. That represents your hard disk with the broken Jessie Gnu/Linux. The cursor will spin for about a minute (it will feel like a long time, but I think it’s really only about 60 seconds) and eventually turn into an arrow cursor. While the cursor is spinning the keyboard will be unresponsive. Once it stops spinning you can proceed. At this point, hit the “eject” key on your keyboard (triangle pointing upwards with a line under it) and the CD tray will eject.
Put the CD in the G5’s drive-tray and close the tray. The cursor will go back to spinning for another minute. When it stops, there will be two icons in the middle of the screen. One will be the “disk” that we saw before, the other will represent the install CD. Hit the “tab” key (or use the mouse) to highlight the CD icon. Then hit the return key and it will boot from the CD.
You will get a “boot:” prompt and some explanatory text before it. Hit the “tab” key to see a list of the various ways to install Wheezy. You want the simplest-possible option, with the minimum-effort. So type “install” at the prompt. Hit “return” and you’re off and installing!
Answer all the questions. If you get to any questions you don’t understand, send me an email and I’ll try to guide you through it.
Enjoy!
Rick
On Sep 22, 2014, at 8:51 PM, bruno evangelista <brunoeva...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> You said: If you can make a Wheezy “netinst” disk on some other computer (Windows, Linux or Mac) please let me know and we’ll take it one step at a time from there. It is done.
>
> You said: We’ll take it one step at a time from there. I say: I am eager for the next steps.
>
> Thank you very much, Ricky.
>
> Bruno
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Lisi Reisz
Sep 23, 2014, 6:40:03 AM9/23/14
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On Tuesday 23 September 2014 09:55:36 Rick Thomas wrote:
> Without a working OS, you will need to find a way to eject the CD tray in
> order to boot from it. Here’s the trick:
Don't Macs have paper-clip holes? (Genuine question - I haven't got access to
> Without a working OS, you will need to find a way to eject the CD tray in
> order to boot from it. Here’s the trick:
a Mac.)
Lisi
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Lisi Reisz
Sep 23, 2014, 9:20:01 AM9/23/14
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On Tuesday 23 September 2014 11:32:59 Lisi Reisz wrote:
> On Tuesday 23 September 2014 09:55:36 Rick Thomas wrote:
> > Without a working OS, you will need to find a way to eject the CD tray in
> > order to boot from it. Here’s the trick:
>
> Don't Macs have paper-clip holes? (Genuine question - I haven't got access
> to a Mac.)
Just STFW and found the answer. Yes, they do.
> On Tuesday 23 September 2014 09:55:36 Rick Thomas wrote:
> > Without a working OS, you will need to find a way to eject the CD tray in
> > order to boot from it. Here’s the trick:
>
> Don't Macs have paper-clip holes? (Genuine question - I haven't got access
> to a Mac.)
http://support.apple.com/kb/ht2285
<quote>
If you are unable to eject a disc through the traditional methods (for
example; dragging the disc icon to the Trash, or in the case of bootable CDs,
holding down the mouse button upon restarting your iMac) you should try to
eject the disc manually. Insert a blunt object, such as the end of a paper
clip, into the manual eject hole. For complete instructions on using the
manual eject button, refer to article 58465: "iMac (Slot Loading): How to
Eject a CD".
</quote>
Why not try it before going in for such a complicated procedure? The computer
doesn't even have to be running!
Lisi
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Joel Rees
Sep 23, 2014, 9:30:01 AM9/23/14
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On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 10:09 PM, Lisi Reisz <lisi....@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tuesday 23 September 2014 11:32:59 Lisi Reisz wrote:
>> On Tuesday 23 September 2014 09:55:36 Rick Thomas wrote:
>> > Without a working OS, you will need to find a way to eject the CD tray in
>> > order to boot from it. Here’s the trick:
>>
>> Don't Macs have paper-clip holes? (Genuine question - I haven't got access
>> to a Mac.)
>
> Just STFW and found the answer. Yes, they do.
>
> http://support.apple.com/kb/ht2285
> <quote>
> If you are unable to eject a disc through the traditional methods (for
> example; dragging the disc icon to the Trash, or in the case of bootable CDs,
> holding down the mouse button upon restarting your iMac) you should try to
> eject the disc manually. Insert a blunt object, such as the end of a paper
> clip, into the manual eject hole. For complete instructions on using the
> manual eject button, refer to article 58465: "iMac (Slot Loading): How to
> Eject a CD".
> </quote>
>
> Why not try it before going in for such a complicated procedure? The computer
> doesn't even have to be running!
>
> Lisi
Some models do, some don't. You found one that did.
> On Tuesday 23 September 2014 11:32:59 Lisi Reisz wrote:
>> On Tuesday 23 September 2014 09:55:36 Rick Thomas wrote:
>> > Without a working OS, you will need to find a way to eject the CD tray in
>> > order to boot from it. Here’s the trick:
>>
>> Don't Macs have paper-clip holes? (Genuine question - I haven't got access
>> to a Mac.)
>
> Just STFW and found the answer. Yes, they do.
>
> http://support.apple.com/kb/ht2285
> <quote>
> If you are unable to eject a disc through the traditional methods (for
> example; dragging the disc icon to the Trash, or in the case of bootable CDs,
> holding down the mouse button upon restarting your iMac) you should try to
> eject the disc manually. Insert a blunt object, such as the end of a paper
> clip, into the manual eject hole. For complete instructions on using the
> manual eject button, refer to article 58465: "iMac (Slot Loading): How to
> Eject a CD".
> </quote>
>
> Why not try it before going in for such a complicated procedure? The computer
> doesn't even have to be running!
>
> Lisi
My Mac Mini doesn't.
I'm looking at that G5 that Rick linked to and thinking it may well not.
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Rick Thomas
Sep 24, 2014, 4:00:02 AM9/24/14
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Joel is right… Some do, some don’t. Bruno’s doesn’t — hence the complicated work-around.
Rick
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