Fresh Debian Install w/o Exim?
Carlos Williams
some reason am completely unable to install Debian w/o Exim. It
appears that Cron is a default package and depends on Exim. Does
anyone know how I can completely omit this from a fresh Debian
install? When I run:
apt-get remove --purge exim4
I am still left with tons of man pages, config files, user accounts
(Debian-exim) for the application I just removed. Basically I am left
with a bunch if orphaned junk files for an application I never wanted
to have installed to begin with.
Any advice?
*PS - I am trying to use Postfix for a replacement MTA and even when I
install Postfix, it auto removes Exim4 however still leaves all the
orphaned files and junk.*
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Alex Samad
> I am trying to install Debian (Testing) via 'netinst' disk and for
> some reason am completely unable to install Debian w/o Exim. It
> appears that Cron is a default package and depends on Exim. Does
> anyone know how I can completely omit this from a fresh Debian
> install? When I run:
>
> apt-get remove --purge exim4
>
> I am still left with tons of man pages, config files, user accounts
> (Debian-exim) for the application I just removed. Basically I am left
> with a bunch if orphaned junk files for an application I never wanted
> to have installed to begin with.
>
> Any advice?
I use nullmailer in these situations
>
> *PS - I am trying to use Postfix for a replacement MTA and even when I
> install Postfix, it auto removes Exim4 however still leaves all the
> orphaned files and junk.*
could this be because you have removed and not purged the package ?
>
>
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Alex Samad
> On Mon, Mar 01, 2010 at 02:59:23PM -0500, Carlos Williams wrote:
[snip]
> >
> > apt-get remove --purge exim4
> >
[snip]
>
> could this be because you have removed and not purged the package ?
I seemed to have missed the --purge above when I wrote this please
ignore :)
>
> >
> >
>
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Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.
> I am trying to install Debian (Testing) via 'netinst' disk and for
> some reason am completely unable to install Debian w/o Exim. It
> appears that Cron is a default package and depends on Exim.
Or any other mail-transport-daemon.
> Does
> anyone know how I can completely omit this from a fresh Debian
> install?
I think installing postfix at the same time or before cron should do it. I
usually install a very minimal system and them build up from there outside of
the installer.
I can't remember if this brought in exim4-daemon-light.
> When I run:
>
> apt-get remove --purge exim4
I'm not sure exactly how apt-get handles this situation, but the exim4 package
doesn't contain most of the files that are part of an exim4 installation. The
binaries are shipped in package exim4-daemon-light or exim4-daemon-heavy; the
docs are in another package; the debconf stuff is in exim4-config.
So, even though you specified 'remove' and '--purge', I'm not convinced you've
told your package manager to get rid of all files exim4-related.
> I am still left with tons of man pages, config files, user accounts
> (Debian-exim) for the application I just removed. Basically I am left
> with a bunch if orphaned junk files for an application I never wanted
> to have installed to begin with.
IIRC, user accounts aren't removed, even on purge. Something do to with not
wanting the have the UID get reused by an unrelated program. I could be wrong
though, e.g. if that UID (range) is statically allocated by Debian.
> Any advice?
After installing an alternate mail-transport-agent (aptitude search '~c'). If
that shows any packages, you may want to (aptitude purge '~c').
> *PS - I am trying to use Postfix for a replacement MTA and even when I
> install Postfix,
Postfix works well in the Debian environment, or so I'm told.
> it auto removes Exim4 however still leaves all the
> orphaned files and junk.*
I'm not convinced this is a statement of fact, but depending on how the
installer does things it could be accurate.
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Richard Hector
> I am trying to install Debian (Testing) via 'netinst' disk and for
> some reason am completely unable to install Debian w/o Exim.
[...]
> I am trying to use Postfix
Yes. Perhaps we need a 'really expert' installation mode, where every
time there's an option like (cron):
Recommends: exim4 | postfix | mail-transport-agent
it asks you what option you want :-)
Actually it looks like preseeding may be able to help - I need to have
another look later.
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Jordan Metzmeier
> I am trying to install Debian (Testing) via 'netinst' disk and for
> some reason am completely unable to install Debian w/o Exim. It
> appears that Cron is a default package and depends on Exim. Does
> anyone know how I can completely omit this from a fresh Debian
> install? When I run:
In Lenny (not sure if its changed as of Squeeze), its the "standard
system" task that installs exim4. Don't install this task and install
your preferred MTA after installation.
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Carlos Williams
> In Lenny (not sure if its changed as of Squeeze), its the "standard
> system" task that installs exim4. Don't install this task and install
> your preferred MTA after installation.
In Squeeze if you de-select 'every' task possible during the
installer, you still get Exim installed because of Cron. It needs an
MTA (Exim4).
After my fresh new system is up and running, I can install Postfix
(which I did) and it also removes the conflicting MTA (Exim4)
automatically:
> root@mail:~# apt-get -y install postfix
> Reading package lists... Done
> Building dependency tree
> Reading state information... Done
> The following extra packages will be installed:
> file libdb4.5 libmagic1 libsasl2-2 libsasl2-modules libsqlite3-0 mime-support openssl python python-minimal python2.5 python2.5-minimal ssl-cert
> Suggested packages:
> libsasl2-modules-otp libsasl2-modules-ldap libsasl2-modules-sql libsasl2-modules-gssapi-mit libsasl2-modules-gssapi-heimdal ca-certificates procmail postfix-mysql postfix-pgsql
> postfix-ldap postfix-pcre sasl2-bin resolvconf postfix-cdb mail-reader ufw python-doc python-tk python-profiler python2.5-doc binfmt-support openssl-blacklist
> The following packages will be REMOVED:
> exim4 exim4-base exim4-config exim4-daemon-light
Sadly it leaves all this on my freshly installed system and who knows
what else locate didn't actually find:
root@mail:~# locate exim
/etc/cron.daily/exim4-base
/etc/default/exim4
/etc/init.d/exim4
/etc/logrotate.d/exim4-base
/etc/logrotate.d/exim4-paniclog
/etc/ppp/ip-up.d/exim4
/etc/rc0.d/K01exim4
/etc/rc1.d/K01exim4
/etc/rc2.d/S02exim4
/etc/rc3.d/S02exim4
/etc/rc4.d/S02exim4
/etc/rc5.d/S02exim4
/etc/rc6.d/K01exim4
/usr/share/vim/vim72/syntax/exim.vim
/var/cache/apt/archives/exim4-base_4.71-3_amd64.deb
/var/cache/apt/archives/exim4-config_4.71-3_all.deb
/var/cache/apt/archives/exim4-daemon-light_4.71-3_amd64.deb
/var/cache/apt/archives/exim4_4.71-3_all.deb
/var/lib/exim4
/var/lib/dpkg/info/exim4-base.list
/var/lib/dpkg/info/exim4-base.postrm
/var/lib/dpkg/info/exim4-config.list
/var/lib/dpkg/info/exim4-config.postrm
/var/lib/dpkg/info/exim4-daemon-light.list
/var/lib/dpkg/info/exim4-daemon-light.postrm
/var/lib/dpkg/info/exim4.list
/var/lib/dpkg/info/exim4.postrm
/var/lib/exim4/config.autogenerated
/var/lib/update-rc.d/exim4
/var/log/exim4
/var/log/exim4/mainlog
/var/run/exim4
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Lisi
> On Mon, Mar 01, 2010 at 02:59:23PM -0500, Carlos Williams wrote:
> > I am trying to install Debian (Testing) via 'netinst' disk and for
> > some reason am completely unable to install Debian w/o Exim. It
> > appears that Cron is a default package and depends on Exim. Does
> > anyone know how I can completely omit this from a fresh Debian
> > install? When I run:
> >
> > apt-get remove --purge exim4
> >
> > I am still left with tons of man pages, config files, user accounts
> > (Debian-exim) for the application I just removed. Basically I am left
> > with a bunch if orphaned junk files for an application I never wanted
> > to have installed to begin with.
> >
> > Any advice?
>
> I use nullmailer in these situations
+1
Installing nullmailer will remove exim for you.
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Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.
> In Squeeze if you de-select 'every' task possible during the
> installer, you still get Exim installed because of Cron. It needs an
> MTA (Exim4).
>
> After my fresh new system is up and running, I can install Postfix
> (which I did) and it also removes the conflicting MTA (Exim4)
> automatically:
> > root@mail:~# apt-get -y install postfix
> > Reading package lists... Done
> > Building dependency tree
> > Reading state information... Done
> > The following extra packages will be installed:
> > file libdb4.5 libmagic1 libsasl2-2 libsasl2-modules libsqlite3-0
> > mime-support openssl python python-minimal python2.5 python2.5-minimal
> > ssl-cert Suggested packages:
> > libsasl2-modules-otp libsasl2-modules-ldap libsasl2-modules-sql
> > libsasl2-modules-gssapi-mit libsasl2-modules-gssapi-heimdal
> > ca-certificates procmail postfix-mysql postfix-pgsql postfix-ldap
> > postfix-pcre sasl2-bin resolvconf postfix-cdb mail-reader ufw python-doc
> > python-tk python-profiler python2.5-doc binfmt-support openssl-blacklist
> > The following packages will be REMOVED:
> > exim4 exim4-base exim4-config exim4-daemon-light
>
> Sadly it leaves all this on my freshly installed system and who knows
> what else locate didn't actually find:
packages will still be around.
...at least one of these files isn't part of any exim package, so your test is
a little broken. Even after a purge, I think log files are left behind --
basically anything generated by the program at run-time will be because the
package manager doesn't track it.
How small does this list get after you run (aptitude purge '~c')?
thib
> [...]
> Sadly it leaves all this on my freshly installed system and who knows
> what else locate didn't actually find:
It's most probably silly, but might an instance of exim still be running?
If you haven't rebooted and forgot to stop it before purging, maybe there's
some sort of safety mechanism I'm probably imagining that could prevent the
remaining files to be wiped immediately.
See it's weird, you only have postrm dpkg hooks (necessary to complete the
removal), the run directory, the variable data directory and configuration
(necessary for a running instance) as well as init scripts (necessary to
stop it). The rest you should remove yourself.
> [...]
-thib
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Carlos Williams
>> I use nullmailer in these situations
>
> +1
> Installing nullmailer will remove exim for you.
I am sorry but I don't understand what you mean by 'install
nullmailer'. Is this something I install before I begin the 'netinst'
installation of Squeeze on my server? Is there an article that will
help me achieve this?
Thanks!
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Richard Hector
> On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 5:59 PM, Lisi <lisi....@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> I use nullmailer in these situations
> >
> > +1
> > Installing nullmailer will remove exim for you.
>
> I am sorry but I don't understand what you mean by 'install
> nullmailer'. Is this something I install before I begin the 'netinst'
> installation of Squeeze on my server? Is there an article that will
> help me achieve this?
It's just another (very simple) MTA. I don't see that installing that
would do anything that installing Postfix doesn't. It's the usual
suggestion for those who claim not to want an MTA at all.
Richard
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Carlos Williams
> It's just another (very simple) MTA. I don't see that installing that
> would do anything that installing Postfix doesn't. It's the usual
> suggestion for those who claim not to want an MTA at all.
>
> Richard
Oh I see. I just tested it and regardless what MTA you install post
install, I am left with tons of useless lingering Exim4 files and
directories. Doesn't look to be any way around this...at least when
using Debian.
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Stan Hoeppner
> Postfix works well in the Debian environment, or so I'm told.
Very well indeed. I've been using it for years and the only real problem
I've run into was the lack of a syslog socket in the chroot. That was fixed
with Lenny/2.5.5. I've no experience with it myself, but IIRC there may be
issues running Postfix multi-instance on Debian.
>> it auto removes Exim4 however still leaves all the
>> orphaned files and junk.*
>
> I'm not convinced this is a statement of fact, but depending on how the
> installer does things it could be accurate.
Take this for what it's worth: On my "Swiss Army Knife" server, I installed
Sarge fresh in 2006 using a compact net install from boot floppies. After
the base install was complete, I installed Postfix via apt-get. I don't
recall doing any manual removal of Exim. I've upgraded the system in place
all the way to Lenny, over a 4 year period.
I currently have the following related to Exim:
~$ locate exim
/etc/cron.d/exim
/etc/cron.daily/exim
/etc/init.d/exim
/etc/ppp/ip-up.d/exim
/etc/rc0.d/K20exim
/etc/rc1.d/K20exim
/etc/rc4.d/S20exim
/etc/rc5.d/S20exim
/etc/rc6.d/K20exim
/usr/share/doc/postgrey/README.exim
/usr/share/wwwconfig-common/exim-trust.sh
/var/cache/apt/archives/exim_3.36-18.2_i386.deb
/var/lib/dpkg/info/exim.list
/var/lib/dpkg/info/exim.postrm
/var/log/exim
/var/run/exim
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Stan Hoeppner
This is probably a result of me installing postfix without uninstalling exim
first. It's surprising that the apt scripts that installed postfix and
removed exim left all this other stuff which can't possibly work now without
that exim binary being present.
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Lisi
> On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 5:59 PM, Lisi <lisi....@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> I use nullmailer in these situations
> >
> > +1
> > Installing nullmailer will remove exim for you.
>
> I am sorry but I don't understand what you mean by 'install
> nullmailer'. Is this something I install before I begin the 'netinst'
> installation of Squeeze on my server? Is there an article that will
> help me achieve this?
type
aptitude install nullmailer
in a root konsole. Press <enter>.
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Carlos Williams
> type
> aptitude install nullmailer
> in a root konsole. Press <enter>.
> Lisi
Yes I understand now but as I stated before that installing Postfix,
Sendmail, or any other alternative MTA has no impact on the real
problem at hand. What ever MTA you choose to install, APT auto removes
Exim but leaves tons of files and directories behind. For some this is
no big deal but when you're an OCD Linux administrator, any rogue or
orphaned files like this drive you crazy.
If you did any kind of install, Exim is installed and when you attempt
to install any alternative MTA, APT will auto remove Exim but leaves
you with clutter. Also if you decide to 1st manually remove Exim from
Debian using the '--purge' option, it still leaves behind all this
mess.
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Sven Joachim
> Yes I understand now but as I stated before that installing Postfix,
> Sendmail, or any other alternative MTA has no impact on the real
> problem at hand. What ever MTA you choose to install, APT auto removes
> Exim but leaves tons of files and directories behind. For some this is
> no big deal but when you're an OCD Linux administrator, any rogue or
> orphaned files like this drive you crazy.
What does OCD mean?
> If you did any kind of install, Exim is installed and when you attempt
> to install any alternative MTA, APT will auto remove Exim but leaves
> you with clutter. Also if you decide to 1st manually remove Exim from
> Debian using the '--purge' option, it still leaves behind all this
> mess.
Please elaborate. Which files are left?
Sven
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Jordan Metzmeier
> On 2010-03-02 14:17 +0100, Carlos Williams wrote:
>
>> Yes I understand now but as I stated before that installing Postfix,
>> Sendmail, or any other alternative MTA has no impact on the real
>> problem at hand. What ever MTA you choose to install, APT auto removes
>> Exim but leaves tons of files and directories behind. For some this is
>> no big deal but when you're an OCD Linux administrator, any rogue or
>> orphaned files like this drive you crazy.
>
> What does OCD mean?
>
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OCD
"Obsessive–compulsive disorder (OCD) is a mental disorder
characterized by intrusive thoughts that produce anxiety, by
repetitive behaviors aimed at reducing anxiety, or by combinations of
such thoughts (obsessions) and behaviors (compulsions). "
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Carlos Williams
>
> Sven
If you remove Exim manually using apt-get --purge exim4 or if you
install an alternative MTA and the package manager uninstalls Exim,
either way you're left with this much mess & that doesn't include the
user accounts and groups:
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Stephen Powell
Is the exim4 daemon still running? Try this (as root):
# /etc/init.d/exim4 stop
# aptitude purge exim4
Maybe there are files that can't be purged if the daemon is still running.
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Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.
>Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. put forth on 3/2/2010 1:21 AM:
>> In <4B8C7C66...@hardwarefreak.com>, Stan Hoeppner wrote:
>>>>> it auto removes Exim4 however still leaves all the
>>>>> orphaned files and junk.*
>>>>
>>>> I'm not convinced this is a statement of fact, but depending on how the
>>>> installer does things it could be accurate.
>>>
>>> the system in place all the way to Lenny, over a 4 year period.
>>
>> In particular all the init scripts, the dpkg data, and probably the cron
>> jobs.
>
>This is probably a result of me installing postfix without uninstalling exim
>first. It's surprising that the apt scripts that installed postfix and
>removed exim left all this other stuff which can't possibly work now without
>that exim binary being present.
It's nothing to do with the order your installed packages. It is the
difference between removed and purged. Confiles -- files where changes by the
local administrator are preserved when upgrading -- are kept after removal.
While this category covers files that are just configuration, it also covers
init scripts and cron jobs. Confiles are not deleted when the program is
removed -- so the configuration is preserved if this is just a temporary
removal (required for some complex upgrades). Confiles are deleted when the
package is purged.
Files that are created by the program at run-time, like logs, databases, and
documents aren't tracked by the package management system, so they must be
deleted manually if you want to get rid of them.
Carlos Williams
<b...@iguanasuicide.net> wrote:
> It's nothing to do with the order your installed packages. It is the
> difference between removed and purged. Confiles -- files where changes by the
> local administrator are preserved when upgrading -- are kept after removal.
> While this category covers files that are just configuration, it also covers
> init scripts and cron jobs. Confiles are not deleted when the program is
> removed -- so the configuration is preserved if this is just a temporary
> removal (required for some complex upgrades). Confiles are deleted when the
> package is purged.
I thought I was purging the package, no?
#apt-get remove --purge exim4
> Files that are created by the program at run-time, like logs, databases, and
> documents aren't tracked by the package management system, so they must be
> deleted manually if you want to get rid of them.
Makes sense.
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Lisi
> On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 3:27 AM, Lisi <lisi....@gmail.com> wrote:
> > type
> > aptitude install nullmailer
> > in a root konsole. Press <enter>.
> > Lisi
>
> Yes I understand now but as I stated before that installing Postfix,
> Sendmail, or any other alternative MTA has no impact on the real
> problem at hand. What ever MTA you choose to install, APT auto removes
> Exim but leaves tons of files and directories behind. For some this is
> no big deal but when you're an OCD Linux administrator, any rogue or
> orphaned files like this drive you crazy.
>
> If you did any kind of install, Exim is installed and when you attempt
> to install any alternative MTA, APT will auto remove Exim but leaves
> you with clutter. Also if you decide to 1st manually remove Exim from
> Debian using the '--purge' option, it still leaves behind all this
> mess.
You could always reinstall choosing the most basic system, than carefully
choose only the applications you actually want ands install them one by one.
And you could do aptitude -s before actually installing anything, so things
won't get pulled in that you would rather not have! You ought then to be
able to have a system pure/clean enough to gladden the heart of the most C of
OCD Linux administrators. ;-)
Lisi
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Eric Gerlach
> some reason am completely unable to install Debian w/o Exim. It
> appears that Cron is a default package and depends on Exim. Does
> anyone know how I can completely omit this from a fresh Debian
> install? When I run:
It's been a while since I've used the installer (I preseed my installations at
the office), but isn't there a point in expert mode where you can select
individual packages? Could you select 'postfix' and unselect 'exim4' at that
point? Or is that after the base system install?
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Sven Joachim
> If you remove Exim manually using apt-get --purge exim4 or if you
> install an alternative MTA and the package manager uninstalls Exim,
> either way you're left with this much mess & that doesn't include the
> user accounts and groups:
>
> root@mail:~# locate exim
> [snip]
> /var/lib/dpkg/info/exim4-base.list
> /var/lib/dpkg/info/exim4-base.postrm
> /var/lib/dpkg/info/exim4-config.list
> /var/lib/dpkg/info/exim4-config.postrm
> /var/lib/dpkg/info/exim4-daemon-light.list
> /var/lib/dpkg/info/exim4-daemon-light.postrm
> /var/lib/dpkg/info/exim4.list
> /var/lib/dpkg/info/exim4.postrm
Well, you did *not* purge the exim4 packages if these files exist.
Run "dpkg --purge exim4{,-base,-config,-daemon-light}" and see if
anything is left then.
Sven
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Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.
>On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 10:24 AM, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.
><b...@iguanasuicide.net> wrote:
>> It's nothing to do with the order your installed packages. It is the
>> difference between removed and purged. Confiles -- files where changes by
>> the local administrator are preserved when upgrading -- are kept after
>> removal. While this category covers files that are just configuration, it
>> also covers init scripts and cron jobs. Confiles are not deleted when the
>> program is removed -- so the configuration is preserved if this is just a
>> temporary removal (required for some complex upgrades). Confiles are
>> deleted when the package is purged.
>
>I thought I was purging the package, no?
>
>#apt-get remove --purge exim4
See my earlier reply on why this might not get all the exim files. Summary:
Most of the files aren't in a package called "exim4".
Use (aptitude search '~c') to see programs in the "Configured" state --
removed but not purged. Use (aptitude purge '~c') to remove those confiles.
Robert Holtzman
> On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 9:23 AM, Sven Joachim <sven...@gmx.de> wrote:
> > Please elaborate. Which files are left?
> >
> > Sven
>
> If you remove Exim manually using apt-get --purge exim4 or if you
> install an alternative MTA and the package manager uninstalls Exim,
> either way you're left with this much mess & that doesn't include the
> user accounts and groups:
The command you ran was not apt-get --purge exim4 but (from your
original post) apt-get remove --purge exim4. Is there any chance apt-get
invoked remove and ignored purge?
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Carlos Williams
> The command you ran was not apt-get --purge exim4 but (from your
> original post) apt-get remove --purge exim4. Is there any chance apt-get
> invoked remove and ignored purge?
I just got everything sorted out. If I run:
# apt-get remove --purge exim4*
This purges a bunch more. I think thats the best I am going to get on
Debian...until we have the choice to omit specific packages.
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John Hasler
> This purges a bunch more. I think thats the best I am going to get on
> Debian...until we have the choice to omit specific packages.
You do have that choice.
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thib
I believe the base system (not the standard system task) pulled by the d-i
currently installs exim as a Recommends dependency to cron. Only way would
be preseeds or plain debootstrap, I think.
-thib
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Virgo Pärna
> /usr/share/vim/vim72/syntax/exim.vim
That's not an exim file - it's part of vim-runtime package.
> /var/cache/apt/archives/exim4-base_4.71-3_amd64.deb
> /var/cache/apt/archives/exim4-config_4.71-3_all.deb
> /var/cache/apt/archives/exim4-daemon-light_4.71-3_amd64.deb
> /var/cache/apt/archives/exim4_4.71-3_all.deb
Installation packages. Will be removed, if you run apt-get clean
> /var/log/exim4
> /var/log/exim4/mainlog
Logs are never removed by uninstalling packages.
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Brian Ryans
> I thought I was purging the package, no?
>
> #apt-get remove --purge exim4
As implied by Boyd in a sibling post, the package 'exim4' is what's
termed a metapackage, a package whose only role is to pull in other
packages via Depends. The package management toolchain doesn't assume
you also want to purge the packages exim4 depends on. As It Should Be,
IMHO.
You can see this easily if you have package 'debtags' installed. In the
description pane, you can see the package tags, one of which is
role::metapackage.
Probably the most succinct definition is in aptitude, actually. Start a
new debtags browser view, and select role::metapackage.
One of the References should have more information. I don't remember if
it's the user or developer reference though -- no net access as I write
this mail.
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Just do a
2010/3/3 Brian Ryans <brian....@gmail.com>
Quoting Carlos Williams on 2010-03-02 09:28:13:
> I thought I was purging the package, no?
>
> #apt-get remove --purge exim4
I do this to purge exim4 and ev erything it stands for# aptitude install xdm;)Rogerio
Rogerio Luz Coelho
> I thought I was purging the package, no?
>
> #apt-get remove --purge exim4
Celejar
On Sat, 27 Mar 2010 23:45:53 -0300
Rogerio Luz Coelho <roglu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> 2010/3/27 Rogerio Luz Coelho <roglu...@gmail.com>
...
> > I do this to purge exim4 and ev erything it stands for
> >
> > # aptitude install xdm
> >
> > ;)
> SORRY !!!
>
> It´s
>
> #aptitude install xmail ...
How will that purge anything related to exim?
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Andrew M.A. Cater
aptitude remove exim4 && aptitude install postfix
should do it (if you want to install postfix).
One MTA conflicts with the other and removes its packages.
You may, exceptionally, need to dpkg --purge the exim4 components
and there's no guarantee that there wont be something hard coded to
expect exim _somewhere_ but the above has worked for me.
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Sven Joachim
> On Sun, Mar 28, 2010 at 12:26:22AM -0400, Celejar wrote:
>
> aptitude remove exim4 && aptitude install postfix
>
> should do it (if you want to install postfix).
> One MTA conflicts with the other and removes its packages.
Better use "aptitude install postfix" or "aptitude install postfix exim4-"
instead. Your above sequence will remove any package that depends on an
MTA which is probably not what you want.
> You may, exceptionally, need to dpkg --purge the exim4 components
> and there's no guarantee that there wont be something hard coded to
> expect exim _somewhere_ but the above has worked for me.
Any such package would be RC-buggy, but fortunately almost everyone uses
just the sendmail interface which is provided by any MTA.
Sven
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Rogerio Luz Coelho
Celejar
On Sun, 28 Mar 2010 10:59:39 -0300
Rogerio Luz Coelho <roglu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> exim4 is a MTA , xmail is also MTA , the system alows only one MTA , so
> aptitude resolves this conflict by purging exim4
You're missing the point - I know that your aptitude command will
*remove* exim4, but it won't *purge* it.
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Lisi
> On Sun, 28 Mar 2010 10:59:39 -0300
>
> Rogerio Luz Coelho <roglu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > exim4 is a MTA , xmail is also MTA , the system alows only one MTA , so
> > aptitude resolves this conflict by purging exim4
>
> You're missing the point - I know that your aptitude command will
> *remove* exim4, but it won't *purge* it.
I use Nullmailer, and it removes several dependencies of Exim4, not just Exim4
itself. There are probably some config files somewhere that are not removed,
but I have an 80GB disk which currently contains only the BR and /, no data,
so I am not heartbroken.
I am not doing it to clear space, but to stop boot up getting slowed down by
Exim4. Others' no doubt have other motivations. So I agree with you,
Celejar, that Exim is probably not purged - I don't mind, so I haven't
actually checked!
Lisi
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