Asus A6000 VM laptop - bad hardware support under Linux-
joel boujassy
As a new Linux user I must report you the big problems I had when I got rid of Windows and turn myself to Linux ...
The only trouble with Linux is a bad or erratic hardware support ; in particular with laptops ... Like mine !
I have a Asus A6000 VM and I get no sound with my minijack audio output (I've tryed everything possible !) .
The problem remains the same no mather the sound manager ALSA or OSS ! The problem remains the same no mather the Linux distribution I tryed , here is the list :
Debian - Ubuntu - Suse - Sabayon - Mandriva - Slakeware - Fedora ...
Yeah ! I've tryed them all !!!
If I want sound I just have to satisfy the crappy built-in speaker ... Shamefull !
I think the problem is in the ALSA 's (and OSS) drivers because I have the same problems with all the distribution I tryed .
Another problem is the built-in webcam doesn't work because the drivers just don't exist !!!
Now what do I have to do ? I feel mad after all the time I've been loosing !!!
What can I do with an operating system that cannot allow me to use 100 % of my machine ?!
Don't you think it's bad engeneering to provide an operating system without a good driver support ?
Linux will never be a reliable alternative to this Windows crap if the hardware isn't fully supported .
The Asus A6 laptop serie is a very very common material , nothing exotic , just one of the most sold serie of laptops !
So what's going on with ALSA project and other Linux team of developers ?!
I'm just a Linux noob OK but I can't make myself up something that doesn't exist : Drivers and EFFICIENT HARDWARE SUPPORT INCLUDED IN THE OS !
I'm trying desperatly to find sombody in the Linux world
Thanks for reading ;
Thanks for helping .
Joël
j.bou...@free.fr
Ron Johnson
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On 05/26/08 15:10, joel boujassy wrote:
> Hi there !
> As a new Linux user I must report you the big problems I had when I got
> rid of Windows and turn myself to Linux ...
[snip]
> What can I do with an operating system that cannot allow me to use 100 %
> of my machine ?!
> Don't you think it's bad engeneering to provide an operating system
> without a good driver support ?
> Linux will never be a reliable alternative to this Windows crap if the
> hardware isn't fully supported .
> The Asus A6 laptop serie is a very very common material , nothing
> exotic , just one of the most sold serie of laptops !
> So what's going on with ALSA project and other Linux team of developers ?!
> I'm just a Linux noob OK but I can't make myself up something that
> doesn't exist : Drivers and EFFICIENT HARDWARE SUPPORT INCLUDED IN THE
> OS !
> I'm trying desperatly to find sombody in the Linux world
> Thanks for reading ;
> Thanks for helping .
Steve Ballmer, it's not polite to pretend you're French.
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steve
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FYI.
generally rants such as the one above are ignored.
But....since you say you are new to linux, and this mailing list......if
one were to ask for help in another post with information pertaining to
what exactly is wrong, and what they have done to remedy the problem,
someone may step up to the plate. hint..... lspci is a good way to start.
good luck
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Andrew Sackville-West
> On 05/26/08 15:10, joel boujassy wrote:
> > Hi there !
> > As a new Linux user I must report you the big problems I had when I got
> > rid of Windows and turn myself to Linux ...
> [snip]
> > What can I do with an operating system that cannot allow me to use 100 %
> > of my machine ?!
> > Don't you think it's bad engeneering to provide an operating system
> > without a good driver support ?
> > Linux will never be a reliable alternative to this Windows crap if the
> > hardware isn't fully supported .
> > The Asus A6 laptop serie is a very very common material , nothing
> > exotic , just one of the most sold serie of laptops !
> > So what's going on with ALSA project and other Linux team of developers ?!
> > I'm just a Linux noob OK but I can't make myself up something that
> > doesn't exist : Drivers and EFFICIENT HARDWARE SUPPORT INCLUDED IN THE
> > OS !
> > I'm trying desperatly to find sombody in the Linux world
> > Thanks for reading ;
> > Thanks for helping .
>
> Steve Ballmer, it's not polite to pretend you're French.
heh heh... duck!
seriously to the OP, you should provide as much information as you can
about what you are doing. Note please that laptop support is arguably
the weakest part of linux hardware support. Large chunks of laptop
hardware a very proprietary...
that said, as Steve has mentioned, provide us with the output of
lspci -v
as a starting point. Also, please tell us specifically which version
of debian you are using.
This list hosts a whole slew of very knowledgeable people who will
help those who help themselves...
A
Ron Johnson
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Getting the latest Knoppix LiveCD and testing your hardware on it
should be any newbie's first step.
But that doesn't answer the question as to whether a rank newbie
*should* try to install and manage *any* operating system at all.
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Jefferson LA USA
ESPN makes baseball players better.
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Kent West
I have a Asus A6000 VM and I get no sound with my minijack audio output (I've tryed everything possible !) .
The problem remains the same no mather the sound manager ALSA or OSS ! The problem remains the same no mather the Linux distribution I tryed , here is the list :
Debian - Ubuntu - Suse - Sabayon - Mandriva - Slakeware - Fedora ...
Yeah ! I've tryed them all !!!
If I want sound I just have to satisfy the crappy built-in speaker ... Shamefull !
I think the problem is in the ALSA 's (and OSS) drivers because I have the same problems with all the distribution I tryed .
Another problem is the built-in webcam doesn't work because the drivers just don't exist !!!
Now what do I have to do ? I feel mad after all the time I've been loosing !!!
What can I do with an operating system that cannot allow me to use 100 % of my machine ?!
Don't you think it's bad engeneering to provide an operating system without a good driver support ?
Apple and Microsoft would be in the exact same boat if the hardware manufacturers refused to work with those companies the way they refuse to work with the open-source community.
The reason so much hardware works outside of the Mac/Windows world is because of dedicated programmers who stay up past 4AM, in their "free time", neglecting work, neglecting wife and kids, neglecting mowing the lawn, in order to reverse-engineer hardware specs that would cost almost nothing for the hardware manufacturers to provide.
I can assure you, when you rant and rave at those programmers who do so much with so little in order to benefit the community, they are definitely "not feeling the love".
Having said that, if you're getting sound out of your internal speakers, I suspect the problem may lie in something simpler, such as a mixer problem. You say you've "tryed everything possible", but I have to ask if you've fired up alsamixer and adjusted those settings? (I also assume your user is in the audio group, since you indicate that some sound works.)
Concerning the webcam, I have no ideas. Sorry.
-- Kent West Westing Peacefully - http://kentwest.blogspot.com
Thierry Chatelet
> Hi there !
> As a new Linux user I must report you the big problems I had when I got
> rid of Windows and turn myself to Linux ...
> The only trouble with Linux is a bad or erratic hardware support ; in
> particular with laptops ... Like mine !
> I have a Asus A6000 VM and I get no sound with my minijack audio output
> (I've tryed everything possible !) .
> Now what do I have to do ? I feel mad after all the time I've been
> loosing !!!
you wont mind it when you get it working to your satisfaction.
> What can I do with an operating system that cannot allow me to use 100 %
> of my machine ?!
> Don't you think it's bad engeneering to provide an operating system
> without a good driver support ?
> Linux will never be a reliable alternative to this Windows crap if the
> hardware isn't fully supported .
> The Asus A6 laptop serie is a very very common material , nothing
> exotic , just one of the most sold serie of laptops !
> So what's going on with ALSA project and other Linux team of developers ?!
> I'm just a Linux noob OK but I can't make myself up something that
> doesn't exist : Drivers and EFFICIENT HARDWARE SUPPORT INCLUDED IN THE
> OS !
> I'm trying desperatly to find sombody in the Linux world
> Thanks for reading ;
> Thanks for helping .
>
> Joël
Tell us which flavor of debian you installed: etch, lenny or sid?
Then do an "update-pciids" and "update-usbids", then run: "lspci" and give us
the line(s) related to your sound card and you camera. (For the camera, you
may have to run: "lsusb" as it may well be on a usb inside connector)
>
> j.bou...@free.fr
Thierry Chatelet
>
> It seems you're sufficiently technology-literate to realize that you're
> fussing at the wrong people. Blame the hardware manufacturers; they're
> the ones who won't provide the drivers/information.
>
> Apple and Microsoft would be in the exact same boat if the hardware
> manufacturers refused to work with those companies the way they refuse
> to work with the open-source community.
Apple might be in the same boat as linux, but my guess is that Microsoft would
not be in the boat, unless it's a submarine, as they would have sunk long
ago.