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Rob van der Putten
Jul 9, 2021, 9:30:04 AM7/9/21
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Hi there
Which Debian packages support the ASTM lab equipment (over TCP)
protocol? An overview would be nice.
Regards,
Rob
Which Debian packages support the ASTM lab equipment (over TCP)
protocol? An overview would be nice.
Regards,
Rob
Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside
Jul 9, 2021, 12:30:04 PM7/9/21
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Hi,
On 2021-07-09 9:21 a.m., Rob van der Putten wrote:
> Hi there
>
>
> Which Debian packages support the ASTM lab equipment (over TCP)
> protocol? An overview would be nice.
>
Have you tried usign the packages.debian.org search engine for going
thru the packages descriptions ?
Possibly using astm keyword ?
That should give you some idea
>
> Regards,
> Rob
>
>
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Polyna-Maude R.-Summerside
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On 2021-07-09 9:21 a.m., Rob van der Putten wrote:
> Hi there
>
>
> Which Debian packages support the ASTM lab equipment (over TCP)
> protocol? An overview would be nice.
>
thru the packages descriptions ?
Possibly using astm keyword ?
That should give you some idea
>
> Regards,
> Rob
>
>
--
Polyna-Maude R.-Summerside
-Be smart, Be wise, Support opensource development
Rob van der Putten
Jul 9, 2021, 1:10:06 PM7/9/21
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Hi there
On 09/07/2021 18:23, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote:
> On 2021-07-09 9:21 a.m., Rob van der Putten wrote:
>> Which Debian packages support the ASTM lab equipment (over TCP)
>> protocol? An overview would be nice.
>>
> Have you tried usign the packages.debian.org search engine for going
> thru the packages descriptions ?
>
> Possibly using astm keyword ?
ASTM is not necessarily in the description.
> That should give you some idea
If only things could be that easy.
Regards,
Rob
On 09/07/2021 18:23, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote:
> On 2021-07-09 9:21 a.m., Rob van der Putten wrote:
>> Which Debian packages support the ASTM lab equipment (over TCP)
>> protocol? An overview would be nice.
>>
> Have you tried usign the packages.debian.org search engine for going
> thru the packages descriptions ?
>
> Possibly using astm keyword ?
> That should give you some idea
Regards,
Rob
Brian
Jul 9, 2021, 1:20:04 PM7/9/21
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https://lists.debian.org/debian-science/
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Markos
Jul 9, 2021, 3:10:05 PM7/9/21
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Please, explain with more detail, and some example, what exactly are you
looking for?
Best Regards,
Markos
Rob van der Putten
Jul 9, 2021, 4:10:05 PM7/9/21
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Hi there
Now that is easy. I did not know about the archives. Or the search.
No results though. So this might be a bit of a dead end.
It doesn't mean that software doesn't exist. Just that ASTM was never
discussed on a Debian list.
Regards,
Rob
No results though. So this might be a bit of a dead end.
It doesn't mean that software doesn't exist. Just that ASTM was never
discussed on a Debian list.
Regards,
Rob
Stefan Monnier
Jul 9, 2021, 5:10:04 PM7/9/21
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> Now that is easy. I did not know about the archives. Or the search.
> No results though. So this might be a bit of a dead end.
> It doesn't mean that software doesn't exist. Just that ASTM was never
> discussed on a Debian list.
So you get to be the first! Still it seems that debian-science or
> No results though. So this might be a bit of a dead end.
> It doesn't mean that software doesn't exist. Just that ASTM was never
> discussed on a Debian list.
debian-med is more likely to include people who know about ASTM than
debian-user ;-)
Stefan
Rob van der Putten
Jul 11, 2021, 6:20:04 AM7/11/21
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Hi
On 09/07/2021 20:43, Markos wrote:
> Em 09-07-2021 10:21, Rob van der Putten escreveu:
>>
>> Which Debian packages support the ASTM lab equipment (over TCP)
>> protocol? An overview would be nice.
sends analysis results to a serial port. Each brand and model has it's
own protocol.
Recently she acquired Skyla VB1. This device has both a serial port and
Ethernet. It sends a ^A to the serial port, expects a ^F and then sends
the data followed by a ^D, after which it expects an other ^F.
I did manage to get data from the device this way.
The device can also use the ASTM protocol. With ASTM it can also use
Ethernet. Which is more practical.
I could not find a free version of the ASTM standard. Apparently, there
is some Linux software which supports ASTM, but what I could not find is
a nice overview.
Regards,
Rob
On 09/07/2021 20:43, Markos wrote:
> Em 09-07-2021 10:21, Rob van der Putten escreveu:
>>
>> Which Debian packages support the ASTM lab equipment (over TCP)
>> protocol? An overview would be nice.
> Please, explain with more detail, and some example, what exactly are you
> looking for?
The sister of a friend is a vet. She has blood analyses equipment which
> looking for?
sends analysis results to a serial port. Each brand and model has it's
own protocol.
Recently she acquired Skyla VB1. This device has both a serial port and
Ethernet. It sends a ^A to the serial port, expects a ^F and then sends
the data followed by a ^D, after which it expects an other ^F.
I did manage to get data from the device this way.
The device can also use the ASTM protocol. With ASTM it can also use
Ethernet. Which is more practical.
I could not find a free version of the ASTM standard. Apparently, there
is some Linux software which supports ASTM, but what I could not find is
a nice overview.
Regards,
Rob
Markos
Jul 12, 2021, 10:20:04 AM7/12/21
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Hi Rob,
OK. Now I understand a little bit more the situation.
You are referring to this pattern:
https://www.astm.org/Standards/E1381.htm
I didn't know this standard.
What I have seen in my experience with laboratory automation with some instruments/equipment is that each manufacturer has its own ASCII communication protocol.
Therefore, it is more viable to use some standard to specify a communication interface but without specifying the specific protocol of each equipment/instrument.
The only ASTM standard for laboratory automation with this approach (define interface) was the LECIS standard, which is now discontinued:
https://www.astm.org/DATABASE.CART/WITHDRAWN/E1989.htm
I discovered, a few days ago, the SiLA project to standardize automation in the laboratory:
https://sila-standard.com/
But I still don't know the details.
I have already had to implement programs for serial communication with instruments and equipment in the laboratory.
But I don't remember seeing any Debian packages related to this ASTM standard.
I've found some programs for acquisition and graphic display of data received through the serial port.
But as they didn't have all the resources I decided to develop my own programs using the Tcl/Tk language, always using Debian.
I tried to document some of these projects on my website, which might be useful.
The material is in Portuguese but it is possible to translate it with the help of Google Translator: https://tinyurl.com/46vnrp68
Email-me if you have any question.
Best Regards,
Markos
Rob van der Putten
Jul 20, 2021, 9:10:05 AM7/20/21
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Hi there
On 12/07/2021 15:40, Markos wrote:
<Cut>
> OK. Now I understand a little bit more the situation.
>
> You are referring to this pattern:
> https://www.astm.org/Standards/E1381.htm
> I didn't know this standard.
>
> What I have seen in my experience with laboratory automation with some
> instruments/equipment is that each manufacturer has its own ASCII
> communication protocol.
>
> Therefore, it is more viable to use some standard to specify a
> communication interface but without specifying the specific protocol of
> each equipment/instrument.
>
> The only ASTM standard for laboratory automation with this approach
> (define interface) was the LECIS standard, which is now discontinued:
> https://www.astm.org/DATABASE.CART/WITHDRAWN/E1989.htm
>
> I discovered, a few days ago, the SiLA project to standardize automation
> in the laboratory:
> https://sila-standard.com/
>
> But I still don't know the details.
>
> I have already had to implement programs for serial communication with
> instruments and equipment in the laboratory.
>
> But I don't remember seeing any Debian packages related to this ASTM
> standard.
The thing to do is probably to use github search and then download,
install and test each relevant program. I found two which are programmed
in C, so I can modify them myself if need be.
The vet however is perfectly happy with using the native skyla protocol,
so I used this instead. They are already using my software and perfectly
happy with it. The software simply dumps the data in a text file which
they then can access. Nothing fancy here.
There is an other blood analyses machine heading this way, with yet an
other protocol for which I will also write software.
In the long run ASTM is probably the way to go. With lots of googling
you can actually find bits and pieces of the standard without having to
pay for it.
> I've found some programs for acquisition and graphic display of data
> received through the serial port.
>
> But as they didn't have all the resources I decided to develop my own
> programs using the Tcl/Tk language, always using Debian.
>
> I tried to document some of these projects on my website, which might be
> useful.
>
> The material is in Portuguese but it is possible to translate it with
> the help of Google Translator: https://tinyurl.com/46vnrp68
>
> Email-me if you have any question.
Regards,
Rob
On 12/07/2021 15:40, Markos wrote:
<Cut>
> OK. Now I understand a little bit more the situation.
>
> You are referring to this pattern:
> https://www.astm.org/Standards/E1381.htm
> I didn't know this standard.
>
> What I have seen in my experience with laboratory automation with some
> instruments/equipment is that each manufacturer has its own ASCII
> communication protocol.
>
> Therefore, it is more viable to use some standard to specify a
> communication interface but without specifying the specific protocol of
> each equipment/instrument.
>
> The only ASTM standard for laboratory automation with this approach
> (define interface) was the LECIS standard, which is now discontinued:
> https://www.astm.org/DATABASE.CART/WITHDRAWN/E1989.htm
>
> I discovered, a few days ago, the SiLA project to standardize automation
> in the laboratory:
> https://sila-standard.com/
>
> But I still don't know the details.
>
> I have already had to implement programs for serial communication with
> instruments and equipment in the laboratory.
>
> But I don't remember seeing any Debian packages related to this ASTM
> standard.
install and test each relevant program. I found two which are programmed
in C, so I can modify them myself if need be.
The vet however is perfectly happy with using the native skyla protocol,
so I used this instead. They are already using my software and perfectly
happy with it. The software simply dumps the data in a text file which
they then can access. Nothing fancy here.
There is an other blood analyses machine heading this way, with yet an
other protocol for which I will also write software.
In the long run ASTM is probably the way to go. With lots of googling
you can actually find bits and pieces of the standard without having to
pay for it.
> I've found some programs for acquisition and graphic display of data
> received through the serial port.
>
> But as they didn't have all the resources I decided to develop my own
> programs using the Tcl/Tk language, always using Debian.
>
> I tried to document some of these projects on my website, which might be
> useful.
>
> The material is in Portuguese but it is possible to translate it with
> the help of Google Translator: https://tinyurl.com/46vnrp68
>
> Email-me if you have any question.
Rob
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